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Ufnal
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland1435 Posts
August 25 2019 11:03 GMT
#1841
On August 25 2019 20:02 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 19:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:53 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 Latham wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 fajo wrote:
Slacks is just embarrassing at that point. Does he think the average dota player is 12?

Slacks is ok. I don't see an alternative unless you go up the stage and show how slacks it is done better.


2GD somewhere in the world: Hey, that looks like a job for me!

2GD

I backed his shooter game years ago wonder if it will ever come out


Wait, it didn't come out? I remember some buzz around it, I just assumed it released, was popular for about 1 month due to it being carried by 2GD's name, and then fizzled out. Much like Battlerite

Wait, Battlerite is dead? I keep wanting to come back to it.
OG | Secret | Liquid | Nigma | Alliance | VP | Fnatic | EG | T1 | LGD
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44206 Posts
August 25 2019 11:03 GMT
#1842
On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote:
Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle

Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm.

OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody.

Seems good

Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did.
Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero.

Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary.
That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage.

Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).

It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it

It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it

There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless.

Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.

They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.

Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them

I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games.

I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid.

But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back,

Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one,

I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps.

I can think of a worse TI stomp.

TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall.
this is a quote
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
August 25 2019 11:04 GMT
#1843
MK again?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44206 Posts
August 25 2019 11:05 GMT
#1844
meepo is free for liquid to take

miracle can play TA
this is a quote
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 25 2019 11:05 GMT
#1845
On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote:
Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle

Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm.

OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody.

Seems good

Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did.
Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero.

Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary.
That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage.

Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).

It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it

It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it

There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless.

Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.

They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.

Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them

I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games.

I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid.

But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back,

Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one,

I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps.

I can think of a worse TI stomp.

TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall.


Finals goes so bad it colored everyone's feelings about the rest of the tournament, which was good.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9563 Posts
August 25 2019 11:05 GMT
#1846
On August 25 2019 20:03 Ufnal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:02 Latham wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:53 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 Latham wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 fajo wrote:
Slacks is just embarrassing at that point. Does he think the average dota player is 12?

Slacks is ok. I don't see an alternative unless you go up the stage and show how slacks it is done better.


2GD somewhere in the world: Hey, that looks like a job for me!

2GD

I backed his shooter game years ago wonder if it will ever come out


Wait, it didn't come out? I remember some buzz around it, I just assumed it released, was popular for about 1 month due to it being carried by 2GD's name, and then fizzled out. Much like Battlerite

Wait, Battlerite is dead? I keep wanting to come back to it.


https://steamcharts.com/app/504370#All

I mean.. not Artifact "dead" but still the hype died down a lot
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2019 11:05 GMT
#1847
On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote:
Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle

Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm.

OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody.

Seems good

Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did.
Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero.

Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary.
That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage.

Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).

It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it

It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it

There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless.

Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.

They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.

Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them

I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games.

I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid.

But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back,

Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one,

I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps.

I can think of a worse TI stomp.

TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall.


Yeah, but TI4 Newbee crushing VG was 2 teams doing the same thing and 1 team just doing it better. It was short because their playstyle did not need to go long, and it was stompy because patch did not have any stupid ass comeback mechanics in it.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 25 2019 11:05 GMT
#1848
On August 25 2019 20:02 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 19:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:53 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 Latham wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 fajo wrote:
Slacks is just embarrassing at that point. Does he think the average dota player is 12?

Slacks is ok. I don't see an alternative unless you go up the stage and show how slacks it is done better.


2GD somewhere in the world: Hey, that looks like a job for me!

2GD

I backed his shooter game years ago wonder if it will ever come out


Wait, it didn't come out? I remember some buzz around it, I just assumed it released, was popular for about 1 month due to it being carried by 2GD's name, and then fizzled out. Much like Battlerite

Been delayed like 4 times already. The game has a lot of potential but I'm not sure anyone will even remember it when it comes out
Neosteel Enthusiast
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
August 25 2019 11:05 GMT
#1849
i dont like this jug
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 25 2019 11:06 GMT
#1850
On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote:
Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle

Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm.

OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody.

Seems good

Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did.
Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero.

Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary.
That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage.

Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).

It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it

It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it

There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless.

Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.

They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.

Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them

I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games.

I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid.

But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back,

Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one,

I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps.

I can think of a worse TI stomp.

TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall.

Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect.
The Bomber boy
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2019 11:06 GMT
#1851
On August 25 2019 20:05 Sif_ wrote:
i dont like this jug

It's a classic Miracle "Give me juggernaut" call.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
August 25 2019 11:06 GMT
#1852
ti4 final sucked not because of the stomp, but because vg refused to fight to their last drop. how they tapped out when their t2 was still standing was baffling and frustrating to watch.
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 25 2019 11:07 GMT
#1853
I like that support last pick from OG while still leaving the option for a pos4 tiny in case of a potential core being really great.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44206 Posts
August 25 2019 11:07 GMT
#1854
On August 25 2019 20:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:
[quote]
Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm.

OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody.

Seems good

Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did.
Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero.

Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary.
That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage.

Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).

It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it

It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it

There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless.

Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.

They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.

Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them

I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games.

I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid.

But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back,

Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one,

I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps.

I can think of a worse TI stomp.

TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall.


Finals goes so bad it colored everyone's feelings about the rest of the tournament, which was good.

That was probably the most lit group stages of TI history, With the b01's and half the teams getting eliminated. It produced some of the most insane games beyond the standards of dota that time.

Then the playoffs had some really surprising results and really funny dynamic playstyle each team.
this is a quote
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 25 2019 11:07 GMT
#1855
On August 25 2019 20:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:
[quote]
Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm.

OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody.

Seems good

Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did.
Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero.

Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary.
That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage.

Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).

It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it

It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it

There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless.

Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.

They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.

Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them

I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games.

I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid.

But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back,

Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one,

I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps.

I can think of a worse TI stomp.

TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall.


Finals goes so bad it colored everyone's feelings about the rest of the tournament, which was good.

The worst thing about TI4 finals was it happened on a MONDAY.
RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
August 25 2019 11:07 GMT
#1856
On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote:
Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle

Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm.

OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody.

Seems good

Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did.
Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero.

Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary.
That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage.

Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).

It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it

It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it

There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless.

Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.

They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.

Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them

I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games.

I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid.

But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back,

Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one,

I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps.

TI6 probably had the most “anything can win” patch of all modern history, and it was full of Wings stomping and occasionally getting stomped when they went a little too far and started picking Techies and whatnot.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2019 11:07 GMT
#1857
On August 25 2019 20:06 Snakesneaks wrote:
ti4 final sucked not because of the stomp, but because vg refused to fight to their last drop. how they tapped out when their t2 was still standing was baffling and frustrating to watch.

What was baffling about it? VG understood that they had no chance of comeback in conditions they were playing.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44206 Posts
August 25 2019 11:08 GMT
#1858
where the fuck is the crowd noise

On August 25 2019 20:06 Snakesneaks wrote:
ti4 final sucked not because of the stomp, but because vg refused to fight to their last drop. how they tapped out when their t2 was still standing was baffling and frustrating to watch.

the stomp didn't help

at least when newbee(against liquid) and CDEC was getting stomped they put up sooo much fight
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 25 2019 11:08 GMT
#1859
On August 25 2019 20:06 Wintex wrote:
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On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:
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Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm.

OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody.

Seems good

Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did.
Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero.

Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary.
That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage.

Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).

It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it

It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it

There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless.

Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.

They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.

Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them

I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games.

I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid.

But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back,

Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one,

I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps.

I can think of a worse TI stomp.

TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall.

Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect.

Post TI4 meta was great and the patch should have lived longer as the deathball was solved by the top teams.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2019 11:09 GMT
#1860
On August 25 2019 20:08 goody153 wrote:
where the fuck is the crowd noise


Shh, we don't talk about that round here.
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