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no save vs void+tiny is gonna be tough for liquid. unless rubick steals decrepify
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On August 25 2019 20:08 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:06 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:
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Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did.
Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero.
Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary.
That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that). It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless. Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision. They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things. Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games. I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid. But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back, Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one, I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps. I can think of a worse TI stomp. TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall. Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect. Post TI4 meta was great and the patch should have lived longer as the deathball was solved by the top teams.
But the Hoho Haha!
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Is pugna mid good this game ?
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Topson with all the surprises.
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On August 25 2019 20:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:08 nojok wrote:On August 25 2019 20:06 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
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Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).
It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it
It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless. Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision. They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things. Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games. I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid. But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back, Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one, I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps. I can think of a worse TI stomp. TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall. Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect. Post TI4 meta was great and the patch should have lived longer as the deathball was solved by the top teams. But the Hoho Haha!
oh my god it was THAT meta
pretty sure i had ptsd on those times
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they drafted tide ta again?
cmon man
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Post TI4 meta was people crying about comeback gold and throwing everything you got into a carry kill to get back into it.
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How do they decide if the tiny is gonna be pos 2 or pos 4?
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On August 25 2019 20:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:08 nojok wrote:On August 25 2019 20:06 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
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Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).
It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it
It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless. Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision. They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things. Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games. I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid. But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back, Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one, I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps. I can think of a worse TI stomp. TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall. Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect. Post TI4 meta was great and the patch should have lived longer as the deathball was solved by the top teams. But the Hoho Haha!
Hoho-Haha was not exactly post TI4 meta though, came too late.
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On August 25 2019 20:11 RubickPicker wrote:
Post TI4 meta was people crying about comeback gold and throwing everything you got into a carry kill to get back into it.
It was pretty bad. Tho i am honestly not sure if back then was worse than today.
We had like 3k-4k gold for one kill back then
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On August 25 2019 20:12 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:11 RubickPicker wrote:
Post TI4 meta was people crying about comeback gold and throwing everything you got into a carry kill to get back into it. It was pretty bad. Tho i am honestly not sure if back then was worse than today. We had like 3k-4k gold for one kill back then
For 2 days it was comparable to current situation, but after that it was worse than it is now.
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On August 25 2019 20:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:08 nojok wrote:On August 25 2019 20:06 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:
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Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).
It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it
It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless. Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision. They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things. Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games. I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid. But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back, Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one, I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps. I can think of a worse TI stomp. TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall. Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect. Post TI4 meta was great and the patch should have lived longer as the deathball was solved by the top teams. But the Hoho Haha!
I meant the patch on which TI4 was played. Let's try to forget what happened right after.
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So, third time liquid radiant vs OG dire? Who prefers which side and why?
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On August 25 2019 20:11 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 25 2019 20:08 nojok wrote:On August 25 2019 20:06 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:
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There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless. Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision. They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things. Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games. I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid. But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back, Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one, I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps. I can think of a worse TI stomp. TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall. Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect. Post TI4 meta was great and the patch should have lived longer as the deathball was solved by the top teams. But the Hoho Haha! oh my god it was THAT meta pretty sure i had ptsd on those times
I didn't really get into watching Dota (beyond TI) until just after 6.84 came out. The entire scene had PTSD from the Hoho Haha.
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On August 25 2019 20:12 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:11 RubickPicker wrote:
Post TI4 meta was people crying about comeback gold and throwing everything you got into a carry kill to get back into it. It was pretty bad. Tho i am honestly not sure if back then was worse than today. We had like 3k-4k gold for one kill back then
Well what we’ve got now was demonstrated last game. that level 25 changes the game from Dota 2 to JoJo Battles and you can dump an entire team of cooldowns into a guy and not kill him if the experience disparity is high enough.
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On August 25 2019 20:13 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:11 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 25 2019 20:08 nojok wrote:On August 25 2019 20:06 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
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Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.
They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.
Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games. I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid. But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back, Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one, I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps. I can think of a worse TI stomp. TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall. Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect. Post TI4 meta was great and the patch should have lived longer as the deathball was solved by the top teams. But the Hoho Haha! oh my god it was THAT meta pretty sure i had ptsd on those times I didn't really get into watching Dota (beyond TI) until just after 6.84 came out. The entire scene had PTSD from the Hoho Haha.
Even now, sometimes I wake up in the deep of the night covered in cold sweat when I hear hoho haha in my nightmares. I then need to cover myself with a blanket and hug my therapy dog for 20 minutes straight to calm myself down.
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On August 25 2019 20:13 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:11 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 25 2019 20:08 nojok wrote:On August 25 2019 20:06 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:
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Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.
They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.
Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games. I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid. But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back, Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one, I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps. I can think of a worse TI stomp. TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall. Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect. Post TI4 meta was great and the patch should have lived longer as the deathball was solved by the top teams. But the Hoho Haha! oh my god it was THAT meta pretty sure i had ptsd on those times I didn't really get into watching Dota (beyond TI) until just after 6.84 came out. The entire scene had PTSD from the Hoho Haha.
Yep. It was more the effect of everybody suddenly discovering that mask of madness is great item.
And everybody started buying it then discovered sniper is godly at it.
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They saw how well Jerax Pugna did so now they will get a fully farmed Pugna
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i wish they tune up the audio
i don't hear the crowd much
On August 25 2019 20:15 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:13 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 25 2019 20:11 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 25 2019 20:08 nojok wrote:On August 25 2019 20:06 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:03 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:02 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:59 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:55 Wintex wrote:
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I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games. I don't really think that was low quality. It just so happens that OG kinda crushed Liquid and perhaps for your expectations even if OG wins it shouldn't look that stompy if they beat liquid. But that is just it. OG has momentum to play fast with the last game and they did. They're playing for millions so if one team gets a momentum and has a chance to hold that advantage they won't ever give it back, Think back on all the TI's before. There were some really stompy games like the last one, I get that, but it was uncharacteristically sloppy from TL, and was way worse than the NB/TL stomps. I can think of a worse TI stomp. TI4 newbee crushing VG. That was soooo awful to watch for a really great tournament overall. Yeah but that was different tbh. And after the match, specific changes have happened in the game to actively combat that. And this game just showed a more similar game than one one would expect. Post TI4 meta was great and the patch should have lived longer as the deathball was solved by the top teams. But the Hoho Haha! oh my god it was THAT meta pretty sure i had ptsd on those times I didn't really get into watching Dota (beyond TI) until just after 6.84 came out. The entire scene had PTSD from the Hoho Haha. Even now, sometimes I wake up in the deep of the night covered in cold sweat when I hear hoho haha in my nightmares. I then need to cover myself with a blanket and hug my therapy dog for 20 minutes straight to calm myself down.
Sometimes i can hear the sound of the mask of madness then the following snipers voice
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