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On August 25 2019 19:41 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Ufnal wrote:On August 25 2019 19:38 lolfail9001 wrote: For such hilarious games crowd is truly empty, feels like i am watching a final of some DAC. There were views of the crowd just an hour ago that looked like the arena is full, are you sure it's so empty? Has anybody seen any pictures of the crowd, not just very short shots in the stream? I am talking about sound, maybe it's just Russian stream sound management, but every previous final would have my speakers blasted at such games, while i do not hear it at all now. Riki crowd, no need to deny it. What? It's pretty packed There's some place behind the casters where you can't see the screen well so nobody sits there but the rings are pretty full
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/2ceIF6t.jpg)
People really like to shit on the croud for no reason
Croud volume is controlled in the sound room after all
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On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. Liquid got outdrafted and we got to witness an incredibly fun 30 minutes manhunt, it's a good game in my book.
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On August 25 2019 19:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:41 nojok wrote:On August 25 2019 19:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Ufnal wrote:On August 25 2019 19:38 lolfail9001 wrote: For such hilarious games crowd is truly empty, feels like i am watching a final of some DAC. There were views of the crowd just an hour ago that looked like the arena is full, are you sure it's so empty? Has anybody seen any pictures of the crowd, not just very short shots in the stream? I am talking about sound, maybe it's just Russian stream sound management, but every previous final would have my speakers blasted at such games, while i do not hear it at all now. Riki crowd, no need to deny it. What? It's pretty packed There's some place behind the casters where you can't see the screen well so nobody sits their but the rings are pretty full ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/2ceIF6t.jpg) People really like to shit on the croud for no reason Croud volume is controlled in the sound room after all
Caster desk is in a spot that can't see well, so that's why it's empty behind them normally.
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On August 25 2019 19:46 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. I mean, this is typical TI final, what did you expect? The last TI final where you could make a statement both teams were playing to limits of their drafts was TI4. There was way more to talk about in that sense tho. VG tried really hard to break the team that broke their strat.
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On August 25 2019 19:47 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. Liquid got outdrafted and we got to witness an incredibly fun 30 minutes manhunt, it's a good game in my book. I don't think it was an outdraft more than it was absolutely poor play from Liquid.
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On August 25 2019 19:48 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. I mean, this is typical TI final, what did you expect? The last TI final where you could make a statement both teams were playing to limits of their drafts was TI4. There was way more to talk about in that sense tho. VG tried really hard to break the team that broke their strat. wat
vg got stomped in the first 10 minutes 3 times in a row
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https://streamable.com/wy2hk
It's pretty obvious people here are biased or worse racist against chinese.
Maybe just focus on the game if you bother about the crowd so much.
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On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that).
It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it
It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it.
And liquid couldn't hold the aggression. That was it.
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Slacks is just embarrassing at that point. Does he think the average dota player is 12?
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On August 25 2019 19:51 fajo wrote: Slacks is just embarrassing at that point. Does he think the average dota player is 12? Slacks is ok. I don't see an alternative unless you go up the stage and show how slacks it is done better.
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On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that). It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless.
On August 25 2019 19:49 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:48 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. I mean, this is typical TI final, what did you expect? The last TI final where you could make a statement both teams were playing to limits of their drafts was TI4. There was way more to talk about in that sense tho. VG tried really hard to break the team that broke their strat. wat vg got stomped in the first 10 minutes 3 times in a row You can reduce it to that, but there was an obvious attempt at understanding if it was down to execution, or trying to secure lanes bit by bit with different heroes and moves. They had a script to follow, but the components were somewhat different to give them the right fix.
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On August 25 2019 19:51 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:51 fajo wrote: Slacks is just embarrassing at that point. Does he think the average dota player is 12? Slacks is ok. I don't see an alternative unless you go up the stage and show how slacks it is done better.
2GD somewhere in the world: Hey, that looks like a job for me!
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On August 25 2019 19:49 babysimba wrote:https://streamable.com/wy2hkIt's pretty obvious people here are biased or worse racist against chinese. Maybe just focus on the game if you bother about the crowd so much.
A number of tournaments held in China previously seem to have been money laundering schemes, which caused the Riki crowds.
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On August 25 2019 19:41 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Ufnal wrote:On August 25 2019 19:38 lolfail9001 wrote: For such hilarious games crowd is truly empty, feels like i am watching a final of some DAC. There were views of the crowd just an hour ago that looked like the arena is full, are you sure it's so empty? Has anybody seen any pictures of the crowd, not just very short shots in the stream? I am talking about sound, maybe it's just Russian stream sound management, but every previous final would have my speakers blasted at such games, while i do not hear it at all now. Riki crowd, no need to deny it. Bring detection.
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On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that). It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless. Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision.
They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things.
Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost(i honestly don't even with their set of heroes if they could've actually held if they fought back). It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them
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On August 25 2019 19:52 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:51 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:51 fajo wrote: Slacks is just embarrassing at that point. Does he think the average dota player is 12? Slacks is ok. I don't see an alternative unless you go up the stage and show how slacks it is done better. 2GD somewhere in the world: Hey, that looks like a job for me! 2GD
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On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that). It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it. And liquid couldn't hold the aggression. That was it.
While Tide is winning, the hero seems like a trap in most drafts. He's being starved of farm most of the time, this game just went a lot worse than normal. It was the spot that could be exploited, and note just how much Topson was hunting MC.
This was a bit of a Rock-Paper-Scissors match where OG went early enough and TL went late enough that the laning stage fell apart for TL.
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On August 25 2019 19:52 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:51 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:49 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:45 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 19:41 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:39 Wintex wrote: Impressive how strategically deep this game is. a puddle Liquid picks cooldown based heroes and heroes who need to farm. OG picks low cooldown heroes who only needs levels then kill everybody. Seems good Well you rarely see a team just leave the base one by one and die like Liquid did. Or see tide or enigma just feed trying to save their carry without even PRESSING their ults, which give you an easy popoff every time you use them on one hero. Anyone can make stuff seem smart when you use good color commentary. That just looked day and night from some of the good games on the TI stage. Liquid could've possibly done something if they fought back but they didn't they just tried to stall. They didn't think they were strong enough to fight OG's skirmishes (not OG's problem if they didn't wanna fight blame liquid for that). It was kinda that game where two teams had opposite strats. And nobody letting go of that strat and one of them doing super well with their strat. Then that's just it It wasn't low strategy. It just so happens that liquid's gameplan is for the midgame-lategame. While OG wants to murder them before even reaching that point and has heroes to do it There was no amount of adapting to anything happening on the map from TL. They easily could have done that shit in, and attempt to play the skirmish in any way, especially before OG ran away with it. They need to be able to use the two ults they drafted when the other team are being needlessly reckless. Again not our problem or OG's. It was liquid's decision. They decided to stall as they thought it was the best course of things. Clearly they misjudged that's why they lost. It looks embarassing but i wonder how much it affected their mindset. OG crushed them I get that, but the game looks to be in a way worse state than it was in the past TIs. it just looked bad. I guess i just hate OG too much to appreciate the dota, but i think that was a bad game, even if TI finals usually are poorer than the other games.
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On August 25 2019 19:53 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 19:52 Latham wrote:On August 25 2019 19:51 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 19:51 fajo wrote: Slacks is just embarrassing at that point. Does he think the average dota player is 12? Slacks is ok. I don't see an alternative unless you go up the stage and show how slacks it is done better. 2GD somewhere in the world: Hey, that looks like a job for me! 2GD  I backed his shooter game years ago wonder if it will ever come out
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We're down to a Bo3 for the Aegis. Let's hope for some more nutty Dota.
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