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GG OG, what an incredibly TI run by them, TL as well all the way through the lower bracket. It was fun seeing the two TI champs clash.
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On August 25 2019 22:06 ChickenDieAlive wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:03 warrior4093 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:00 Artisreal wrote:On August 25 2019 21:44 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 21:37 Sif_ wrote:On August 25 2019 21:36 Circumstance wrote:
Nine years of professional play.
Nine years of official world championships.
Nine years of million-dollar purses.
And the GOAT discussion just got laid to rest in an instant.
OG are the greatest Dota team to ever play the game. Of that, there can be no debate any longer. Its truly baffling how superior OG was compared to all other teams They understand the meta better than any team this TI: Hit your timing and deathball. Simple as that. Absolutely not. i agree its not that simple , they are like wings to me now, their knowledge and play are something else , and anything but "simple". Whether it's Alch, Mag, or IO, they win most of the time with the same strategy: hit a timing when they are much stronger than their opponent and run them over. It isn't rocket science mate. In fact, Liquid adopted this strategy in their LB run and went to the final. But OG is just better at it.
But the thing is, that hasn't always been an "OG trademark". In fact last TI their signature strategy was "pick a super-strong late-game carry and stall the game till ana's unstoppable". They may have had quick games but the "most OG hero" last year was ana's Spectre. Which to me shows they can adapt to different metas and makes it that much more impressive.
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On August 25 2019 22:12 VGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:06 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 22:03 warrior4093 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:00 Artisreal wrote:On August 25 2019 21:44 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 21:37 Sif_ wrote:On August 25 2019 21:36 Circumstance wrote:
Nine years of professional play.
Nine years of official world championships.
Nine years of million-dollar purses.
And the GOAT discussion just got laid to rest in an instant.
OG are the greatest Dota team to ever play the game. Of that, there can be no debate any longer. Its truly baffling how superior OG was compared to all other teams They understand the meta better than any team this TI: Hit your timing and deathball. Simple as that. Absolutely not. i agree its not that simple , they are like wings to me now, their knowledge and play are something else , and anything but "simple". Whether it's Alch, Mag, or IO, they win most of the time with the same strategy: hit a timing when they are much stronger than their opponent and run them over. It isn't rocket science mate. In fact, Liquid adopted this strategy in their LB run and went to the final. But OG is just better at it. But the thing is, that hasn't always been an "OG trademark". In fact last TI their signature strategy was "pick a super-strong late-game carry and stall the game till ana's unstoppable". They may have had quick games but the "most OG hero" last year was ana's Spectre. Which to me shows they can adapt to different metas and makes it that much more impressive.
Yeah last year OG's strat was not some midgame push. It was basically own the enemy in the lategame with a superior carry for Ana.
They're definitely really versatile. We already saw them play just absolutely anything at this point.
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On August 25 2019 22:12 VGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:06 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 22:03 warrior4093 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:00 Artisreal wrote:On August 25 2019 21:44 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 21:37 Sif_ wrote:On August 25 2019 21:36 Circumstance wrote:
Nine years of professional play.
Nine years of official world championships.
Nine years of million-dollar purses.
And the GOAT discussion just got laid to rest in an instant.
OG are the greatest Dota team to ever play the game. Of that, there can be no debate any longer. Its truly baffling how superior OG was compared to all other teams They understand the meta better than any team this TI: Hit your timing and deathball. Simple as that. Absolutely not. i agree its not that simple , they are like wings to me now, their knowledge and play are something else , and anything but "simple". Whether it's Alch, Mag, or IO, they win most of the time with the same strategy: hit a timing when they are much stronger than their opponent and run them over. It isn't rocket science mate. In fact, Liquid adopted this strategy in their LB run and went to the final. But OG is just better at it. But the thing is, that hasn't always been an "OG trademark". In fact last TI their signature strategy was "pick a super-strong late-game carry and stall the game till ana's unstoppable". They may have had quick games but the "most OG hero" last year was ana's Spectre. Which to me shows they can adapt to different metas and makes it that much more impressive.
All credits to them but people should stop pretending the meta this TI is something out of this world. It's just deathball.
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On August 25 2019 22:12 VGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:06 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 22:03 warrior4093 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:00 Artisreal wrote:On August 25 2019 21:44 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 21:37 Sif_ wrote:On August 25 2019 21:36 Circumstance wrote:
Nine years of professional play.
Nine years of official world championships.
Nine years of million-dollar purses.
And the GOAT discussion just got laid to rest in an instant.
OG are the greatest Dota team to ever play the game. Of that, there can be no debate any longer. Its truly baffling how superior OG was compared to all other teams They understand the meta better than any team this TI: Hit your timing and deathball. Simple as that. Absolutely not. i agree its not that simple , they are like wings to me now, their knowledge and play are something else , and anything but "simple". Whether it's Alch, Mag, or IO, they win most of the time with the same strategy: hit a timing when they are much stronger than their opponent and run them over. It isn't rocket science mate. In fact, Liquid adopted this strategy in their LB run and went to the final. But OG is just better at it. But the thing is, that hasn't always been an "OG trademark". In fact last TI their signature strategy was "pick a super-strong late-game carry and stall the game till ana's unstoppable". They may have had quick games but the "most OG hero" last year was ana's Spectre. Which to me shows they can adapt to different metas and makes it that much more impressive.
agreed, also their game knowledge is unprecedented, just download replay and watch them from ana or topson prospective you will see so many little things that leads to huge plays , not every pro does that, nobody wins 2 TIs cause they abused 2 or 3 heroes , there are 6 bans, there has to be so many different strats to go with , some heroes are very powerful right now but aside from alch no single hero can win you game unless you have a full 5 line up thats plays well around it. that is all strats are about , take just io , OG played it with so many heroes and won every time. Its all about game knowledge .
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also , avg game this TI is 41 min while avg game for OG is about some 24 mins.
You can create your own meta if you are good enough of a team and have game knowledge.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 25 2019 22:06 ChickenDieAlive wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:03 warrior4093 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:00 Artisreal wrote:On August 25 2019 21:44 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 21:37 Sif_ wrote:On August 25 2019 21:36 Circumstance wrote:
Nine years of professional play.
Nine years of official world championships.
Nine years of million-dollar purses.
And the GOAT discussion just got laid to rest in an instant.
OG are the greatest Dota team to ever play the game. Of that, there can be no debate any longer. Its truly baffling how superior OG was compared to all other teams They understand the meta better than any team this TI: Hit your timing and deathball. Simple as that. Absolutely not. i agree its not that simple , they are like wings to me now, their knowledge and play are something else , and anything but "simple". Whether it's Alch, Mag, or IO, they win most of the time with the same strategy: hit a timing when they are much stronger than their opponent and run them over. It isn't rocket science mate. In fact, Liquid adopted this strategy in their LB run and went to the final. But OG is just better at it.
I mean, while it's true that OG this TI were basically running the timing based stuff and ultimately strongest strat of this TI was the same old deathball, it's about the manner they do it with. And that manner is anything but trivial.
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On August 25 2019 22:19 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:06 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 22:03 warrior4093 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:00 Artisreal wrote:On August 25 2019 21:44 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 21:37 Sif_ wrote:On August 25 2019 21:36 Circumstance wrote:
Nine years of professional play.
Nine years of official world championships.
Nine years of million-dollar purses.
And the GOAT discussion just got laid to rest in an instant.
OG are the greatest Dota team to ever play the game. Of that, there can be no debate any longer. Its truly baffling how superior OG was compared to all other teams They understand the meta better than any team this TI: Hit your timing and deathball. Simple as that. Absolutely not. i agree its not that simple , they are like wings to me now, their knowledge and play are something else , and anything but "simple". Whether it's Alch, Mag, or IO, they win most of the time with the same strategy: hit a timing when they are much stronger than their opponent and run them over. It isn't rocket science mate. In fact, Liquid adopted this strategy in their LB run and went to the final. But OG is just better at it. I mean, while it's true that OG this TI were basically running the timing based stuff and ultimately strongest strat of this TI was the same old deathball, it's about the manner they do it with. And that manner is anything but trivial.
OG execute the meta better than anyone this TI. Do you see any contradiction with my point?
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On August 25 2019 22:21 ChickenDieAlive wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:06 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 22:03 warrior4093 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:00 Artisreal wrote:On August 25 2019 21:44 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 21:37 Sif_ wrote:On August 25 2019 21:36 Circumstance wrote:
Nine years of professional play.
Nine years of official world championships.
Nine years of million-dollar purses.
And the GOAT discussion just got laid to rest in an instant.
OG are the greatest Dota team to ever play the game. Of that, there can be no debate any longer. Its truly baffling how superior OG was compared to all other teams They understand the meta better than any team this TI: Hit your timing and deathball. Simple as that. Absolutely not. i agree its not that simple , they are like wings to me now, their knowledge and play are something else , and anything but "simple". Whether it's Alch, Mag, or IO, they win most of the time with the same strategy: hit a timing when they are much stronger than their opponent and run them over. It isn't rocket science mate. In fact, Liquid adopted this strategy in their LB run and went to the final. But OG is just better at it. I mean, while it's true that OG this TI were basically running the timing based stuff and ultimately strongest strat of this TI was the same old deathball, it's about the manner they do it with. And that manner is anything but trivial. OG execute the meta better than anyone this TI. Do you see any contradiction with my point?
all he is saying is OGs playing style may look simple but its not simple to execute it like that at all, many teams tried , how many succeed ?
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On August 25 2019 22:22 warrior4093 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:21 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 22:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:06 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 22:03 warrior4093 wrote:On August 25 2019 22:00 Artisreal wrote:On August 25 2019 21:44 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On August 25 2019 21:37 Sif_ wrote:On August 25 2019 21:36 Circumstance wrote:
Nine years of professional play.
Nine years of official world championships.
Nine years of million-dollar purses.
And the GOAT discussion just got laid to rest in an instant.
OG are the greatest Dota team to ever play the game. Of that, there can be no debate any longer. Its truly baffling how superior OG was compared to all other teams They understand the meta better than any team this TI: Hit your timing and deathball. Simple as that. Absolutely not. i agree its not that simple , they are like wings to me now, their knowledge and play are something else , and anything but "simple". Whether it's Alch, Mag, or IO, they win most of the time with the same strategy: hit a timing when they are much stronger than their opponent and run them over. It isn't rocket science mate. In fact, Liquid adopted this strategy in their LB run and went to the final. But OG is just better at it. I mean, while it's true that OG this TI were basically running the timing based stuff and ultimately strongest strat of this TI was the same old deathball, it's about the manner they do it with. And that manner is anything but trivial. OG execute the meta better than anyone this TI. Do you see any contradiction with my point? all he is saying is OGs playing style may look simple but its not simple to execute it like that at all, many teams tried , how many succeed ?
Liquid did success. They went all the way to the final. But OG is better at it.
Secret did too, partially. Liquid just pulled out even faster timing against Secret (Meepo is much faster than IO), and they won.
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goddamn this lady host is damn fine
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all things aside , this TI grand finals was a topson show , just proving that ANA is not the only one that can do things.
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This TI is truly legendary. From the fierce competition point of view we conclude with the utter destruction of VP, total rehaul of EG and the hardest defeat of Team Secret since TI5, which might make them finally crack.
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On August 25 2019 22:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
This TI is truly legendary. From the fierce competition point of view we conclude with the utter destruction of VP, total rehaul of EG and the hardest defeat of Team Secret since TI5, which might make them finally crack.
Secret's gotten a different roster every year. I'm sure they'll be different again, but I don't see Puppey just giving up on Aegis #2. Especially now that a whole other team's done it.
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On August 25 2019 22:30 VGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
This TI is truly legendary. From the fierce competition point of view we conclude with the utter destruction of VP, total rehaul of EG and the hardest defeat of Team Secret since TI5, which might make them finally crack.
Secret's gotten a different roster every year. I'm sure they'll be different again, but I don't see Puppey just giving up on Aegis #2. Especially now that a whole other team's done it.
Feels bad for Puppey though. Secret was dominating all season but somehow they are not at their best comes TI. And now, nobody gives a shit about them winning most Majors this year anymore.
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The trick to win TI is to not be dominant so your strats don't get nerfed
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Not sure why liquid kept first banning magnus. Feels like the lesser evil to play against.
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On August 25 2019 22:34 ChickenDieAlive wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:30 VGhost wrote:On August 25 2019 22:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
This TI is truly legendary. From the fierce competition point of view we conclude with the utter destruction of VP, total rehaul of EG and the hardest defeat of Team Secret since TI5, which might make them finally crack.
Secret's gotten a different roster every year. I'm sure they'll be different again, but I don't see Puppey just giving up on Aegis #2. Especially now that a whole other team's done it. Feels bad for Puppey though. Secret was dominating all season but somehow they are not at their best comes TI. And now, nobody gives a shit about them winning most Majors this year anymore.
Maybe next year Secret doesn't run into Liquid in the bracket. Seems like it's just a set-up for Kuro to be styling on Puppey at the point.
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On August 25 2019 22:35 DucK- wrote:
Not sure why liquid kept first banning magnus. Feels like the lesser evil to play against.
bigger issue is re picking ta and tide over and over.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 25 2019 22:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The trick to win TI is to not be dominant so your strats don't get nerfed
What is kind of funny is that OG were playing this kind of deathball style even with iLTW.
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