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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On August 25 2019 22:59 Taf the Ghost wrote: Probably not. They utilised a vast hero pool, and their run lasted about 4 months.Wings probably had the most strategies of any team, but 7.00 is a very different game at the strategic level because all of the talents add multiple timings. Talents are just means. | ||
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ChickenDieAlive
699 Posts
On August 25 2019 23:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: What is the definition of deathball in this discussion? I don't think OG were purely reliant on a 5 v5 fight at all Hit your timing, group up, push and win the game. If your opponents try to fight, you wipe them. That's the core of deathball. Rat is a pretty good counter to that but it isn't viable this TI. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
On August 25 2019 22:55 RubickPicker wrote: OG has strategies, but this patch was short on tactics. I love watching Dota not for mechanical skill that I can’t see unless I watch player perspective. I come to it because I love the combos and hugely coordinated plays. OG had some of that, but less of it overall. If you’re not an every day kind of player it can be hard to see what they’re doing from a tactical advantage. For example, fountain hooks were incredibly unbalanced but the coordination required was evident just looking at it. Many moment since of these games looked like a murderfest with the kind of hyperactive diving that new players have a bad habit of doing. I like the OG guys, definitely admire what they pulled off, and don’t want to watch them play Dota again before patches. I hope that feels fair. I don't know if it's the patch. Liquid-LGD was all about the tactics and the team-fighting spells. There were dives (Miracle as usual, Chalice really stood out for bad decisions), but it felt like those games were about executing the fights. OG right now definitely does feel like they're using overall strategy to overwhelm any tactical disadvantages that occur, but I'm not sure what they're doing differently to create that "environment". | ||
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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
On August 25 2019 23:19 DucK- wrote: Og strat was about topson and jerax creating chaos everywhere, notail with the defensive support, ceb low-key space creator/dps and Ana with whatever that needed. Constant pick offs during chaotic skirmishes into deathball + objectives. Half of the chaotic dives behind T3 towers were just to secure a numbers advantage while pushing objectives. IMO thats a big reason why they could stomp Liquid the way they did. | ||
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ChickenDieAlive
699 Posts
On August 25 2019 23:19 DucK- wrote: Og strat was about topson and jerax creating chaos everywhere, notail with the defensive support, ceb low-key space creator/dps and Ana with whatever that needed. Constant pick offs during chaotic skirmishes into deathball + objectives. Pretty much sum it up perfectly. They don't really care if they lose during the skirmishes, because they know that once the timing hit, they are much stronger. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On August 25 2019 22:14 ChickenDieAlive wrote: All credits to them but people should stop pretending the meta this TI is something out of this world. It's just deathball. 2nd and 3rd game werent about deathballs, quite the opposite | ||
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ChickenDieAlive
699 Posts
On August 25 2019 23:39 Erasme wrote: 2nd and 3rd game werent about deathballs, quite the opposite In both of those games, they grouped up as 5 and ran at Liquid right after the laning stage. The timing just came much much sooner because Kuro kept picking Tide + TA, helping OG run over the lanes. | ||
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Batmankills
145 Posts
some salty people need to get a grip. OG just were far better than any team at this event. whatever you call it, deathball/skill difference/mentality difference and they established themselves as the best team in the history of TI. | ||
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Nantrix9
32 Posts
On August 26 2019 00:41 Batmankills wrote: Huge congrats to OG and their fans. some salty people need to get a grip. OG just were far better than any team at this event. whatever you call it, deathball/skill difference/mentality difference and they established themselves as the best team in the history of TI. OG was so lucky to get Liquid in the finals Secret or LGD would have been so much better. LGD really did throw the upper bracket Alch twice and threw the lower bracket finals with that high ground trying to rush the ending for no reason. Secret or LGD vs OG would have been the finals to see. Now OG will vanish after this next patch since they just cant cut it through most meta's. | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
On August 26 2019 01:01 Nantrix9 wrote: OG was so lucky to get Liquid in the finals Secret or LGD would have been so much better. LGD really did throw the upper bracket Alch twice and threw the lower bracket finals with that high ground trying to rush the ending for no reason. Secret or LGD vs OG would have been the finals to see. Now OG will vanish after this next patch since they just cant cut it through most meta's. Tell us something about yourself, man. We know that you made some mistaken predictions in this thread and that you write things that sound like salt or bait. Why do you do that though? What made you feel this is a good way to spend your time? Feel free to share! | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10663 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On August 25 2019 23:47 ChickenDieAlive wrote: In both of those games, they grouped up as 5 and ran at Liquid right after the laning stage. The timing just came much much sooner because Kuro kept picking Tide + TA, helping OG run over the lanes. Deathball = 5man pushing down lanes not having 2 cores literally running at everything they sees | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34498 Posts
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Garrl
Scotland1975 Posts
On August 26 2019 01:01 Nantrix9 wrote: OG was so lucky to get Liquid in the finals Secret or LGD would have been so much better. LGD really did throw the upper bracket Alch twice and threw the lower bracket finals with that high ground trying to rush the ending for no reason. Secret or LGD vs OG would have been the finals to see. Now OG will vanish after this next patch since they just cant cut it through most meta's. so do OG need to win three TIs to prove themselves now? They literally didn't lose a series throughout the entire thing, they weren't "lucky." | ||
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Skillver
Austria1309 Posts
On August 25 2019 22:38 warrior4093 wrote: bigger issue is re picking ta and tide over and over. not banning tiny is the biggest fail to me | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
I knew they will win again when Secret lost in WB and VG not playing their top form (the only 2 teams imo that has a chance to stop OG) | ||
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