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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 25 2019 11:41 GMT
#2021
On August 25 2019 20:40 Mafe wrote:
What are the odds of OG going full troll mode and picking something like techies, or naix + storm spirit / spirit breaker, or some heroes that were completely unpicked so far?

Extremely low
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 11:43:18
August 25 2019 11:42 GMT
#2022
On August 25 2019 20:41 spudde123 wrote:
Sometimes feels like people don't even play dota when they say "X team is just making so many mistakes". You constantly play with fog of war, you have to make judgments really fast whether something is a fight you can take or not. There really is no such thing as "not making mistakes", especially if the other team is constantly forcing you into these choices. Of course it could be OG that looks foolish if TL was in a bit better position in those games and managed to get bait OG into really bad fights, but it's really hard to do from behind

I mean, Liquid did objectively make many mistakes including those that were not directly forced, i have even seen Miracle fail last hitting under tower without any pressure, let alone that w33's use of refraction under nether ward to break his own blink. All it tells me is that OG's psychological game works.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44304 Posts
August 25 2019 11:42 GMT
#2023
On August 25 2019 20:41 spudde123 wrote:
Sometimes feels like people don't even play dota when they say "X team is just making so many mistakes". You constantly play with fog of war, you have to make judgments really fast whether something is a fight you can take or not. There really is no such thing as "not making mistakes", especially if the other team is constantly forcing you into these choices. Of course it could be OG that looks foolish if TL was in a bit better position in those games and managed to get bait OG into really bad fights, but it's really hard to do from behind

I still believe in making mistakes when you have the vision for the entire fight but i guess for uninformed actions then yes.
this is a quote
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 25 2019 11:43 GMT
#2024
On August 25 2019 20:41 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:34 Sif_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
As a reminder, LGD was up 2-1 last year. This isn't over. Plus, TL is going to shift things up.


Its different. How can liquid show up for game 4 after these 2 MAJOR STOMPS?


LGD stomped OG pretty hard in games 2 & 3 last year, but TL might have played too much in the Lower Bracket. They might just be tapped out of concepts.
LGD was the most aggressive team trying to snowball from laning phase, while OG was the opposite. This OG is even more versatile and mature, for obvious reasons, since they have had more time together.

But yeah, it is easy to paint yourself into a corner throughout the "meta".

he just hate OG man, dont mind him
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Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
August 25 2019 11:43 GMT
#2025
is that ame's brother ?
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 25 2019 11:43 GMT
#2026
If we have another stomp into shit finals, LGD is to be blamed for throwing against Liquid.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 11:44:21
August 25 2019 11:43 GMT
#2027
On August 25 2019 20:43 babysimba wrote:
If we have another stomp into shit finals, LGD is to be blamed for throwing against Liquid.

OTOH i have a nagging feeling OG would do the same vs LGD as well: throw game 1 somehow then roll them. They simply look that invincible right now where the only reason they lose games is their own throws.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Gamble28
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany107 Posts
August 25 2019 11:44 GMT
#2028
OG are just masters in the art of making the game the most chaotic way and come out ontop of the other Team in most cases these days :D a pretty funny way to play dota
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 25 2019 11:44 GMT
#2029
On August 25 2019 20:41 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:40 Ej_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit

You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way.

There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance.

This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity

Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.

LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it

In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.

its skandinavian actually

Australian actually, OG are literally playing QO's patented caveman dota right now.

Still had 1 ranged hero in game 2 :/

They would be a disappointment to QO. There needs to be zero range heroes and then play that dota.


Dota Pit Season 4, Korean Dota's highest point. They were so good they caused the great TI6 era Shuffle.
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
August 25 2019 11:44 GMT
#2030
On August 25 2019 20:41 spudde123 wrote:
Sometimes feels like people don't even play dota when they say "X team is just making so many mistakes". You constantly play with fog of war, you have to make judgments really fast whether something is a fight you can take or not. There really is no such thing as "not making mistakes", especially if the other team is constantly forcing you into these choices. Of course it could be OG that looks foolish if TL was in a bit better position in those games and managed to bait OG into really bad fights, but it's really hard to do from behind



Totally agree with you.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 25 2019 11:45 GMT
#2031
On August 25 2019 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:41 spudde123 wrote:
Sometimes feels like people don't even play dota when they say "X team is just making so many mistakes". You constantly play with fog of war, you have to make judgments really fast whether something is a fight you can take or not. There really is no such thing as "not making mistakes", especially if the other team is constantly forcing you into these choices. Of course it could be OG that looks foolish if TL was in a bit better position in those games and managed to get bait OG into really bad fights, but it's really hard to do from behind

I mean, Liquid did objectively make many mistakes including those that were not directly forced, i have even seen Miracle fail last hitting under tower without any pressure, let alone that w33's use of refraction under nether ward to break his own blink. All it tells me is that OG's psychological game works.
A GF is a high pressure situation, where OG thrives, and they don't get easily rattled..
LiangHao
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 25 2019 11:45 GMT
#2032
On August 25 2019 20:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit

You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way.

There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance.

This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity

Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.

LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it

In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.

its skandinavian actually

Australian actually, OG are literally playing QO's patented caveman dota right now.

That said i finally know why that divine rank rager hates rubick, this hero really feels like it does nothing in games like these.

Wings' style was also straight to the jugular. Once a team reaches enough coordination it feels like they can just fight whenever they want. NaVi was also about following the trail of chaos left by hvost. Loda also had his seemingly suicidal charges 100% relying on his teammates to bail him out and to create something out of it.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 25 2019 11:45 GMT
#2033
On August 25 2019 20:44 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:41 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:40 Ej_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:
[quote]
You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way.

There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance.

This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity

Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.

LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it

In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.

its skandinavian actually

Australian actually, OG are literally playing QO's patented caveman dota right now.

Still had 1 ranged hero in game 2 :/

They would be a disappointment to QO. There needs to be zero range heroes and then play that dota.


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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 25 2019 11:45 GMT
#2034
On August 25 2019 20:45 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:41 spudde123 wrote:
Sometimes feels like people don't even play dota when they say "X team is just making so many mistakes". You constantly play with fog of war, you have to make judgments really fast whether something is a fight you can take or not. There really is no such thing as "not making mistakes", especially if the other team is constantly forcing you into these choices. Of course it could be OG that looks foolish if TL was in a bit better position in those games and managed to get bait OG into really bad fights, but it's really hard to do from behind

I mean, Liquid did objectively make many mistakes including those that were not directly forced, i have even seen Miracle fail last hitting under tower without any pressure, let alone that w33's use of refraction under nether ward to break his own blink. All it tells me is that OG's psychological game works.
A GF is a high pressure situation, where OG thrives, and they don't get easily rattled..


OG's main stage mental fortitude is why they're here.
Ufnal
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland1435 Posts
August 25 2019 11:46 GMT
#2035
On August 25 2019 20:36 crnm95 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame

Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport

I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly


So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them

Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes.

I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world.

Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along

Troll or salt mine?
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MintberryCrunchs
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany462 Posts
August 25 2019 11:46 GMT
#2036
On August 25 2019 20:41 spudde123 wrote:
Sometimes feels like people don't even play dota when they say "X team is just making so many mistakes". You constantly play with fog of war, you have to make judgments really fast whether something is a fight you can take or not. There really is no such thing as "not making mistakes", especially if the other team is constantly forcing you into these choices. Of course it could be OG that looks foolish if TL was in a bit better position in those games and managed to bait OG into really bad fights, but it's really hard to do from behind


How do i upvote this?!?!!
So damn right!

But you know ... teaching the blind about colours ...


I still think some of the comments here are borderline trolling and it gets me more mad than my favorit team (Liquid) beeing on the verge of getting stomped 1 - 3
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2019 11:46 GMT
#2037
On August 25 2019 20:46 Ufnal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:36 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame

Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport

I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly


So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them

Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes.

I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world.

Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along

Troll or salt mine?

Former probably, the actual salt mines like myself were already sold on OG's style this year.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9592 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 11:47:13
August 25 2019 11:46 GMT
#2038
Go out with a bang TL - draft ursa kotol clockwork

FUCK ME, KBBQ IS SUCH A TREASURE
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
August 25 2019 11:47 GMT
#2039
lgd lost in LB final might be a blessing in disguise. no home crowd would like to watch their favourites being trashed and humilitiated like brazil 1-7 germany.
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 25 2019 11:48 GMT
#2040
Come on TL, TI8 Finals were solid dota until the team fights started in Game 4. Make this hype!
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