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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 25 2019 11:38 GMT
#2001
quality content
ffxiv enjoyer
turpentine
Profile Joined November 2015
1624 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 11:40:16
August 25 2019 11:38 GMT
#2002
On August 25 2019 20:36 crnm95 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame

Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport

I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly


So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them

Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes.

I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world.

Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along


The point people are making is that there's no magical team of players that's somehow not going to make mistakes when all of OG is running at them sub 10 minutes. They're crushing everyone and you're basing yourself on a hypothetical team in order to claim they aren't great, when they're on the cusp of winning a second TI
Book of Funn1k, 3:22 "YOU RUINED MY LIFE AND NOW YOU TALK ABOUT 0-7 TUSK?? I would so fuckin Walrus Punch you that you will get stunned for 1 year."
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 25 2019 11:38 GMT
#2003
On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit

You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way.

There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance.

This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity

Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.

LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it

In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.
The Bomber boy
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
August 25 2019 11:38 GMT
#2004
On August 25 2019 20:37 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:36 vommy wrote:
Damn just got home, how are the games until now?

The losers finals is good but this grand finals is kinda eh. OG is kinda crushing really hard and probably gonna win this TI if TL doesn't figure out something next game


The GF games were... cute, maybe entertaining but by no means epic.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
August 25 2019 11:38 GMT
#2005
what is trent doing?
RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 11:39:38
August 25 2019 11:38 GMT
#2006
Ban ET/Tiny/Alch

They’re not going to get optimal Io without ET, they’re not going to get optimal Void without Tiny, and Alch is Alch.
* N U K E D *
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 25 2019 11:39 GMT
#2007
On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit

You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way.

There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance.

This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity

Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.

LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it

In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.

its skandinavian actually
6nnn
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 25 2019 11:39 GMT
#2008
On August 25 2019 20:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:36 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame

Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport

I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly


So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them

Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes.

I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world.

Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along

This is Dota, a team that does not make mistakes does not exist.

Just play perfect and you too can beat OG.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 25 2019 11:39 GMT
#2009
Did he show the fissure + flag clip against EG?
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 25 2019 11:39 GMT
#2010
On August 25 2019 20:38 Sif_ wrote:
what is trent doing?


analysing the art of war
ffxiv enjoyer
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 25 2019 11:39 GMT
#2011
On August 25 2019 20:38 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:37 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:36 vommy wrote:
Damn just got home, how are the games until now?

The losers finals is good but this grand finals is kinda eh. OG is kinda crushing really hard and probably gonna win this TI if TL doesn't figure out something next game


The GF games were... cute, maybe entertaining but by no means epic.

someone has to fight back to gain epicness
6nnn
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 11:40:49
August 25 2019 11:40 GMT
#2012
On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit

You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way.

There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance.

This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity

Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.

LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it

In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.

its skandinavian actually

Australian actually, OG are literally playing QO's patented caveman dota right now.

That said i finally know why that divine rank rager hates rubick, this hero really feels like it does nothing in games like these.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
August 25 2019 11:40 GMT
#2013
What are the odds of OG going full troll mode and picking something like techies, or naix + storm spirit / spirit breaker, or some heroes that were completely unpicked so far?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44237 Posts
August 25 2019 11:40 GMT
#2014
On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:38 Latham wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:37 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:36 vommy wrote:
Damn just got home, how are the games until now?

The losers finals is good but this grand finals is kinda eh. OG is kinda crushing really hard and probably gonna win this TI if TL doesn't figure out something next game


The GF games were... cute, maybe entertaining but by no means epic.

someone has to fight back to gain epicness

i heard liquid is into bdsm

just the sub this time around
this is a quote
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 25 2019 11:40 GMT
#2015
On August 25 2019 20:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit

You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way.

There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance.

This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity

Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.

LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it

In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.

its skandinavian actually

Australian actually, OG are literally playing QO's patented caveman dota right now.

Still had 1 ranged hero in game 2 :/
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 11:42:46
August 25 2019 11:41 GMT
#2016
On August 25 2019 20:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:34 Sif_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
As a reminder, LGD was up 2-1 last year. This isn't over. Plus, TL is going to shift things up.


Its different. How can liquid show up for game 4 after these 2 MAJOR STOMPS?


LGD stomped OG pretty hard in games 2 & 3 last year, but TL might have played too much in the Lower Bracket. They might just be tapped out of concepts.
LGD was the most aggressive team trying to snowball from laning phase, while OG was the opposite. This OG is even more versatile and mature, for obvious reasons, since they have had more time together.

But yeah, it is easy to paint yourself into a corner throughout the "meta".
LiangHao
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44237 Posts
August 25 2019 11:41 GMT
#2017
On August 25 2019 20:40 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit

You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way.

There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance.

This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity

Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.

LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it

In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.

its skandinavian actually

Australian actually, OG are literally playing QO's patented caveman dota right now.

Still had 1 ranged hero in game 2 :/

They would be a disappointment to QO. There needs to be zero range heroes and then play that dota.
this is a quote
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2019 11:41 GMT
#2018
On August 25 2019 20:38 RubickPicker wrote:
Ban ET/Tiny/Alch

They’re not going to get optimal Io without ET, they’re not going to get optimal Void without Tiny, and Alch is Alch.

This guy drafts.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
crnm95
Profile Joined August 2019
37 Posts
August 25 2019 11:41 GMT
#2019
On August 25 2019 20:38 turpentine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:36 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame

Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport

I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly


So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them

Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes.

I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world.

Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along


The point people are making is that there's no magical team of players that's somehow not going to make mistakes when all of OG is running at them sub 10 minutes. They're crushing everyone and you're basing yourself on a hypothetical team in order to claim they aren't great, when they're on the cusp of winning a second TI

This is exactly what I mean by unambitious. You guys are concerned with what is and not what could be.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 11:42:28
August 25 2019 11:41 GMT
#2020
Sometimes feels like people don't even play dota when they say "X team is just making so many mistakes". You constantly play with fog of war, you have to make judgments really fast whether something is a fight you can take or not. There really is no such thing as "not making mistakes", especially if the other team is constantly forcing you into these choices. Of course it could be OG that looks foolish if TL was in a bit better position in those games and managed to bait OG into really bad fights, but it's really hard to do from behind
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