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On August 25 2019 20:36 crnm95 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes. I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world. Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along
The point people are making is that there's no magical team of players that's somehow not going to make mistakes when all of OG is running at them sub 10 minutes. They're crushing everyone and you're basing yourself on a hypothetical team in order to claim they aren't great, when they're on the cusp of winning a second TI
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On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way. There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance. This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.  LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it
In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.
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On August 25 2019 20:37 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:36 vommy wrote:
Damn just got home, how are the games until now? The losers finals is good but this grand finals is kinda eh. OG is kinda crushing really hard and probably gonna win this TI if TL doesn't figure out something next game
The GF games were... cute, maybe entertaining but by no means epic.
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Ban ET/Tiny/Alch
They’re not going to get optimal Io without ET, they’re not going to get optimal Void without Tiny, and Alch is Alch.
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On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way. There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance. This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY. LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring.
its skandinavian actually
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On August 25 2019 20:37 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:36 crnm95 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes. I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world. Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along This is Dota, a team that does not make mistakes does not exist.
Just play perfect and you too can beat OG.
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Did he show the fissure + flag clip against EG?
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On August 25 2019 20:38 Sif_ wrote:
what is trent doing?
analysing the art of war
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On August 25 2019 20:38 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:37 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:36 vommy wrote:
Damn just got home, how are the games until now? The losers finals is good but this grand finals is kinda eh. OG is kinda crushing really hard and probably gonna win this TI if TL doesn't figure out something next game The GF games were... cute, maybe entertaining but by no means epic.
someone has to fight back to gain epicness
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On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way. There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance. This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY. LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring. its skandinavian actually
Australian actually, OG are literally playing QO's patented caveman dota right now.
That said i finally know why that divine rank rager hates rubick, this hero really feels like it does nothing in games like these.
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What are the odds of OG going full troll mode and picking something like techies, or naix + storm spirit / spirit breaker, or some heroes that were completely unpicked so far?
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On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:38 Latham wrote:On August 25 2019 20:37 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:36 vommy wrote:
Damn just got home, how are the games until now? The losers finals is good but this grand finals is kinda eh. OG is kinda crushing really hard and probably gonna win this TI if TL doesn't figure out something next game The GF games were... cute, maybe entertaining but by no means epic. someone has to fight back to gain epicness
i heard liquid is into bdsm
just the sub this time around
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On August 25 2019 20:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way. There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance. This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY. LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring. its skandinavian actually Australian actually, OG are literally playing QO's patented caveman dota right now.
Still had 1 ranged hero in game 2 :/
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On August 25 2019 20:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:34 Sif_ wrote:On August 25 2019 20:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
As a reminder, LGD was up 2-1 last year. This isn't over. Plus, TL is going to shift things up. Its different. How can liquid show up for game 4 after these 2 MAJOR STOMPS? LGD stomped OG pretty hard in games 2 & 3 last year, but TL might have played too much in the Lower Bracket. They might just be tapped out of concepts. LGD was the most aggressive team trying to snowball from laning phase, while OG was the opposite. This OG is even more versatile and mature, for obvious reasons, since they have had more time together.
But yeah, it is easy to paint yourself into a corner throughout the "meta".
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On August 25 2019 20:40 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:39 sunrazgriz wrote:On August 25 2019 20:38 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way. There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance. This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY. LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it In any case. LGD's pure dota gameplay is so much more fun to watch and rewarding for a person who loves high level dota gameplay (MOST OF THE TIME). This mongolian garbage style is so boring. its skandinavian actually Australian actually, OG are literally playing QO's patented caveman dota right now. Still had 1 ranged hero in game 2 :/
They would be a disappointment to QO. There needs to be zero range heroes and then play that dota.
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On August 25 2019 20:38 RubickPicker wrote:
Ban ET/Tiny/Alch
They’re not going to get optimal Io without ET, they’re not going to get optimal Void without Tiny, and Alch is Alch.
This guy drafts.
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On August 25 2019 20:38 turpentine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 20:36 crnm95 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes. I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world. Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along The point people are making is that there's no magical team of players that's somehow not going to make mistakes when all of OG is running at them sub 10 minutes. They're crushing everyone and you're basing yourself on a hypothetical team in order to claim they aren't great, when they're on the cusp of winning a second TI
This is exactly what I mean by unambitious. You guys are concerned with what is and not what could be.
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Sometimes feels like people don't even play dota when they say "X team is just making so many mistakes". You constantly play with fog of war, you have to make judgments really fast whether something is a fight you can take or not. There really is no such thing as "not making mistakes", especially if the other team is constantly forcing you into these choices. Of course it could be OG that looks foolish if TL was in a bit better position in those games and managed to bait OG into really bad fights, but it's really hard to do from behind
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EPT
