• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:12
CEST 00:12
KST 07:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
2v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature0Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy8uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event17Serral wins EWC 202549Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments7[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time 2v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature Is there a way to see if 2 accounts=1 person? uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
Soma Explains: JaeDong's Double Muta Micro ASL 20 HYPE VIDEO! BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW AKA finder tool ASL20 Pre-season Tier List ranking!
Tourneys
Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches KCM 2025 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI The year 2050
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Biochemical Cost of Gami…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1742 users

[The International 9] Championship Sunday! - Page 100

Forum Index > Dota 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 98 99 100 101 102 121 Next
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
August 25 2019 11:35 GMT
#1981
mindcontrol is mad after being trashed 2 games in a row
and liquid need to do something different aside of ta and tide
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 25 2019 11:35 GMT
#1982
L-W-W..... exactly like last year's grand finals except OG was on the other side. Don't get too comfortable.
Skillver
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria1309 Posts
August 25 2019 11:35 GMT
#1983
Liquid has to ban Tiny imho
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
August 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#1984
On August 25 2019 20:35 Tegenaria wrote:
I dont understand why it's so hard to counter OG draft.

Most of their game is just pure aggression
Why not try some pure defensive draft ? Just pick Oracle/Dazzle to save people & a carry with great teamfight like Void or Jugg.

Not your fucking TA...


i wish the solution is really that easy
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44134 Posts
August 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#1985
On August 25 2019 20:34 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:33 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:30 Elurie wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:23 goody153 wrote:
I am more and more convinced that LGD should've faced OG. They looked better against OG than this shit

You think LGD would have survived the Ember+Monkey game? No way.

There is a chance as at least LGD has a clue how to fight OG in an aggressive stance.

This is similar to why i would've preferred DK or EG fighting Newbee than VG during TI4 finals because they at least would make the games look close. Just a difference of style and familiarity

Exact same reason Newbee ruined the TI7 finals when they killed LFY.

LFY i had so much hope about that team. Whatever this is the results we have. Liquid and OG earned it
this is a quote
vommy
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany532 Posts
August 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#1986
Damn just got home, how are the games until now?
Oh, I'm chasing this guy. [Dodd shoots at Leonard] No... he's chasing me.
crnm95
Profile Joined August 2019
37 Posts
August 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#1987
On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame

Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport

I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly


So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them

Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes.

I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world.

Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#1988
Feels like the only way to stop OG is putting Miracle in mid.
LiangHao
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
August 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#1989
game 4: gh pudge wins against techies.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#1990
And OG at TI has the same intimidation factor as VP has throughout the season. It feels like every game they win from the other POV is just some clowny shit and a frustrating experience.

People just need to chill when playing vs them and stop their game. You just need to slap them down a notch.
The Bomber boy
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#1991
On August 25 2019 20:35 Snakesneaks wrote:
mindcontrol is mad after being trashed 2 games in a row
and liquid need to do something different aside of ta and tide

Matu is not here anymore, MC has been given the responsibility of the green hero and he can't handle it, his green hero pool is too small.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#1992
in arc warden liquid trust
6nnn
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2019 11:37 GMT
#1993
On August 25 2019 20:36 crnm95 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:33 Ej_ wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:32 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:29 turpentine wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:28 crnm95 wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame

Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport

I agree to a point. What I mean to say is that it seems like OG’s way of playing would lose to a team that didnt allow themselves to be bullied into not playing flawlessly


So basically OG beat teams that they're better than, and would lose to a team that was better than them

Not exactly. More like OG strategical approach to dota is one dimensional and unsound in that it relies on their opponents being sufficiently prone to make mistakes.

I'd say it's very fucking sound if it works well vs the best teams in the world.

Thats because you’re so unambitious as to settle for winning. If OG cared about greatness they wouldnt just be content with beating teams that are making mistakes, they would play in a way that would allow them to not instantly lose if a team that doesnt make mistakes comes along

This is Dota, a team that does not make mistakes does not exist.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
August 25 2019 11:37 GMT
#1994
On August 25 2019 20:36 vommy wrote:
Damn just got home, how are the games until now?


Liquid won a game and got absolutely shit stomped 2 games in a row while stubbornly picking the same heroes every single game.

A very typical Liquid grand finals so far.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 25 2019 11:37 GMT
#1995
On August 25 2019 20:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:25 crnm95 wrote:
Watching OG, I always get a sense that they win not because they are great but because their opponents fail to bring their agame

Forcing opponents to be uncomfortable is the power of good players in every sport

So much this. If it works, why change a winning concept.
EZ4ENCE
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44134 Posts
August 25 2019 11:37 GMT
#1996
On August 25 2019 20:36 vommy wrote:
Damn just got home, how are the games until now?

The losers finals is good but this grand finals is kinda eh. OG is kinda crushing really hard and probably gonna win this TI if TL doesn't figure out something next game
this is a quote
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
August 25 2019 11:37 GMT
#1997
Man we are in the worst timeline right now
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 25 2019 11:37 GMT
#1998
lets not forger GSW blew 3 - 1 lead
6nnn
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 25 2019 11:37 GMT
#1999
On August 25 2019 20:34 Sif_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
As a reminder, LGD was up 2-1 last year. This isn't over. Plus, TL is going to shift things up.


Its different. How can liquid show up for game 4 after these 2 MAJOR STOMPS?


LGD stomped OG pretty hard in games 2 & 3 last year, but TL might have played too much in the Lower Bracket. They might just be tapped out of concepts.
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 11:39:19
August 25 2019 11:38 GMT
#2000
On August 25 2019 20:36 Snakesneaks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:35 Tegenaria wrote:
I dont understand why it's so hard to counter OG draft.

Most of their game is just pure aggression
Why not try some pure defensive draft ? Just pick Oracle/Dazzle to save people & a carry with great teamfight like Void or Jugg.

Not your fucking TA...


i wish the solution is really that easy



I think it is. It's a strategy game and you know the strategy of your opponent.
You should be able to adapt if you are a pro player.

Here Kuro is playing standard game with Tide / Ta like against any other team, he doesn't adapt.
Prev 1 98 99 100 101 102 121 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
[BSL 2025] Weekly
18:00
#10
ZZZero.O151
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
CosmosSc2 92
NeuroSwarm 88
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18706
Rain 2398
ZZZero.O 151
ggaemo 99
Mong 90
sSak 67
Dewaltoss 62
sas.Sziky 55
Hm[arnc] 8
Dota 2
monkeys_forever423
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 422
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1032
fl0m607
Other Games
tarik_tv15549
Grubby3023
crisheroes701
SteadfastSC136
ZombieGrub102
Livibee65
Trikslyr54
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1583
BasetradeTV40
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 67
• davetesta25
• tFFMrPink 22
• OhrlRock 1
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• sM.Zik 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21901
League of Legends
• Doublelift4261
Counter-Strike
• imaqtpie952
• Shiphtur166
Other Games
• Scarra539
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
11h 48m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
12h 48m
SC Evo League
13h 48m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
16h 48m
BSL Team Wars
20h 48m
Team Dewalt vs Team Bonyth
Afreeca Starleague
1d 11h
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
1d 12h
RotterdaM Event
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Mini vs TBD
Soma vs sSak
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
SC Evo League
6 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
6 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-08-13
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.