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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Poll: NaVi vs Digital Chaos NaVi Win (9) Digital Chaos Win (2) 11 total votes Your vote: NaVi vs Digital Chaos Poll: The Final Tribe vs Rex Regum Qeon The Final Tribe Win (5) Rex Regum Qeon Win (2) 7 total votes Your vote: The Final Tribe vs Rex Regum Qeon Poll: Fnatic vs NaVi/DC Fnatic Win (6) NaVi / DC Win (6) 12 total votes Your vote: Fnatic vs NaVi/DC Poll: Infamous vs RRQ / TFT Infamous Win (7) RRQ / TFT Win (2) 9 total votes Your vote: Infamous vs RRQ / TFT | ||
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emperorchampion
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plasmidghost
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On March 17 2018 06:18 emperorchampion wrote: Nice, so Fnatic should be able to beat the winner of Navi / DC, so we'll hopefully get rewarded with Fnatic / EG matchup. Agreed, I think it'll be hype, plus I want to see Uni get revenge | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On March 17 2018 15:07 plasmidghost wrote: Hope RRQ wins to get the home crowd hyped Be good for the locals, but it's pretty unlikely. | ||
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Geisterkarle
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Min 35: kill racks! min 50: both shrines still intact! That cost navi at least the last rosh! | ||
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goody153
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navi is gonna get the rosh then they don't have the backup of buybacking into fights anymore | ||
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rabidch
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goody153
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fnatic just has better lategame shotcalling | ||
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rabidch
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On March 17 2018 18:52 goody153 wrote: now THAT is a game fnatic just has better lategame shotcalling they have better players | ||
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goody153
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that is true i think crytallis is the real star with navi atm | ||
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
On March 17 2018 18:57 goody153 wrote: and i dodnt expect a 6 slot tusk beating a 6 slot tiny lol that is true i think crytallis is the real star with navi atm Crystallize might be their best player, but judging from the last game, he might feel like he has to do more than he is capable of doing. The linken -> nullifier -> manta build was one of the main reasons they lost their gold lead. | ||
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goody153
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On March 17 2018 18:58 Mosoball wrote: Crystallize might be their best player, but judging from the last game, he might feel like he has to do more than he is capable of doing. The linken -> nullifier -> manta build was one of the main reasons they lost their gold lead. the nullifier was needed that time .. navi couldnt kill anybody that time since all 3 cores were getting bkb from fnatic without that anybody of the cores were just gonna bkb and run away or fight back | ||
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rabidch
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
Fanatic is just better, even some mistakes of them couldnt carry Navi enough. And yeah Crystallize always feels like he has to carry to hard. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 17 2018 18:52 goody153 wrote: now THAT is a game fnatic just has better lategame shotcalling EE's experience shining through. | ||
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
On March 17 2018 19:04 goody153 wrote: the nullifier was needed that time .. navi couldnt kill anybody that time since all 3 cores were getting bkb from fnatic without that anybody of the cores were just gonna bkb and run away or fight back I do agree, but the team's level of play didn't really amount that item doing work for the next 10 minutes. The pickoff on DK around 10 minutes after purchase was the first real use out of the item, he had died 2 or 3 times before that. | ||
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BlazingGlory
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goody153
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On March 17 2018 19:11 Mosoball wrote: I do agree, but the team's level of play didn't really amount that item doing work for the next 10 minutes. The pickoff on DK around 10 minutes after purchase was the first real use out of the item, he had died 2 or 3 times before that. i dont think fnatic is also the type of team that doesnt play safe after seeing pl illusions with nullifier but yeah it wasnt as effective probably couldveclosed the game there | ||
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goody153
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this is mostly a single core damage dealer considering that pugna can't do much omni being with navi | ||
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Mosoball
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goody153
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this game should be exciting | ||
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Mosoball
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On March 17 2018 19:13 BlazingGlory wrote: Fnatic are playing Chinese dota :D . Proven to be the most stable against weaker teams. Yea these drafts are straight VG.J Thunder | ||
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goody153
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it's gonna be on their head if they lose this | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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goody153
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its_a_me
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Its just so much overextending and strange plays on both sides. | ||
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gindheng
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gindheng
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gindheng
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its_a_me
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Navi should win 5k lead and a set of rax | ||
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goody153
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probably should've swapped with pie naga | ||
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goody153
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long range ult .. they just need vision | ||
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goody153
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On March 17 2018 20:05 its_a_me wrote: yeah but wouldnt a pipe destroy them, so much money and so easy to counter? pipe reduces like 400 damage but luna aghs deals like 2k damage | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On March 17 2018 20:11 goody153 wrote: that last pick sniper is pretty good .. really decent against the entire fnatic draft where the strength was to let the enemy team come into them but it was the other way around Yup. With the DP, you want to group up and around the enemy. The Aghs on the Disruptor really messes that up as well. | ||
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goody153
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abed strength plays on being the greedy midplayer for the team | ||
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Mosoball
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goody153
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On March 17 2018 20:12 Taf the Ghost wrote: Yup. With the DP, you want to group up and around the enemy. The Aghs on the Disruptor really messes that up as well. and the warlock isn't really the type that goes in but rather let the enemy go into your team not to mention the omni saving whoever is initiated if fnatic decides to close in as well as gyro being unbearable if they don't kill him first cause he actually does damage making a good frontline that draft was just decent overall against fnatic even though fnatic's lineup itself is quite balanced | ||
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goody153
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On March 17 2018 20:13 Mosoball wrote: Haha I wonder if anyone's going to stay watch the Inf-TFT series after this one in Twitch Definitely not me lol | ||
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BlazingGlory
Bulgaria855 Posts
On March 17 2018 20:13 Mosoball wrote: Haha I wonder if anyone's going to stay watch the Inf-TFT series after this one in Twitch I'll have it in the background like always. With the years i've gotten quite accustomed to dota sound :D | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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goody153
44161 Posts
This could go either way but i like fnatic's chances better. | ||
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goody153
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On March 17 2018 20:40 cecek wrote: brood for fnatic? not a good brood game since the hero sticks in one lane mostly and navi has a lineup that can run around the map. They also have decent broodling clear | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:49 emperorchampion wrote: dendi satisfying all the punks oh shit boys i think navi is gonna dumpster fnatic | ||
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BlazingGlory
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gindheng
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babysimba
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Fnatic has 3 tanky cores that can jump in and start the fight when they see Navi's heroes out of position, and then make it a chaotic fight. On the other hand when Navi wants to initiate, they need to make sure they have clean initiation and burst down someone. Feels like navi's lineup is harder to execute than Fnatic's. | ||
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Pandemona
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Pandemona
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Alpino
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AKA the Spaghetti Strat | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
THE FUCK?? | ||
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Pandemona
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
Well then! | ||
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
mega creep is just a phrase | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
Dendi knows that you have to just end the game on EE, can't just take rax | ||
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nayumi
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spudde123
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The later pushes got a bit more tricky because the Lina was actually a threat and they never really got another push going during the time buybacks were on cd | ||
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:47 Pandemona wrote: EE and Abed sat with buybacks watching towers die????????????????????? they both had less than 10 secs and had been dieing every fight, if theyd bought back and died, people would flame them just as much. They deserve some fucking flames tho rofl How low did navi throne get? | ||
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:47 Pandemona wrote: EE and Abed sat with buybacks watching towers die????????????????????? they had bb ? if they did, what a stupid decision to not buy out | ||
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Julmust
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On March 17 2018 21:37 babysimba wrote: Dendi man up and get a rapier u fuck This man called it! | ||
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Pandemona
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:52 gindheng wrote: did navi won? Yep! | ||
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goody153
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Please navi don't get 2-0'd by EG in the least exciting way.. eg has a tendency to do that | ||
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goody153
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On March 17 2018 21:52 gindheng wrote: did navi won? yep yep yep | ||
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goody153
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On March 17 2018 21:51 Pandemona wrote: Yeah they had buybacks since they died, they watched navi coming into base, watched them kill T4s and like Atreides says must be because they thought they would die the next fight...but to watch your base die with 12-15 sec left on respawn and buyback is just unfathomable for my little brain xD The throne died wayy too fast. Judging from the previous fights they probably thought navi didn't have that kind of damage but i guess hitting throne is easier than hitting heroes with millions of ways not to get hit. | ||
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PoulsenB
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that 4 man torrent tho, saved the game probably | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:54 goody153 wrote: The throne died wayy too fast. Judging from the previous fights they probably thought navi didn't have that kind of damage but i guess hitting throne is easier than hitting heroes with millions of ways not to get hit. But they are in their base, they can see them, they can see Lina with Daedlous + Rapier and it's a Lina, that is what is even more stupid lol. My head hurts. Great game though take nothing away from NaVi, i was watching them hold the pushes in their base against a 32k net worth difference thinking wow nice work! But still Fnatic wtf xD | ||
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spudde123
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In hindsight there's probably a lot of things they could have done. Threaten the bottom lane harder with Uni or go on NaVi mid with Brew and ES earlier just to delay them (assuming Brew and ES have buybacks). Instead they didn't seem to think this was even a possibility because they just played it super safe and didn't do anything, and suddenly their base went away | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:51 gulati wrote: anyone know what navi's ancient HP was at? Just checked the replay in dota tv. Was at 40%. Kunnka tp'd back and got euls+torrent combo on the TA which made a big difference (her bkb was in backpack.) | ||
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emperorchampion
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wonder if those teams will feel extra pressure to put on crazy performances after this series | ||
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On March 17 2018 21:55 Pandemona wrote: But they are in their base, they can see them, they can see Lina with Daedlous + Rapier and it's a Lina, that is what is even more stupid lol. My head hurts. Great game though take nothing away from NaVi, i was watching them hold the pushes in their base against a 32k net worth difference thinking wow nice work! But still Fnatic wtf xD I highly doubt you've expected throne to die fast even with just rapier. Throne after all has shit ton of HP if you didn't forget That was fnatic's mistake but i really doubt even your favorite team EG would've like panicked and dived into navi to stop them from thronening. The situation is that fnatic had alot of options and they looked like they were considering the best option aannnd navi didn't give them time to think. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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emperorchampion
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On March 17 2018 22:04 babysimba wrote: Lil is a class above his Navi teammates imo. Nah, Crystallize is a beast | ||
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BlazingGlory
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Finland686 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On March 17 2018 22:11 Mosoball wrote: I'm so pissed right now. Closed the stream when they took megas, turns out Fnatic lost :/ In dota, it's never over until the throne explodes. | ||
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
On March 17 2018 22:13 cecek wrote: In dota, it's never over until the throne explodes. Lol that win felt as deserved as Na'vi's DPC points :D Damn it! | ||
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goody153
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On March 17 2018 22:13 cecek wrote: In dota, it's never over until the throne explodes. It's weird that lesson surround on players like envy, puppey when they also have in the past have made opponents think about this kind of thing lol | ||
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spudde123
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Firstly, neither EE or Abed actually had to die in the engagement which led to them being dead. Pretty sure EE could have just walked away after DJ had saved him by turning him into stone, and Abed didn't pop his BKB and got stunned and died. Then when the push came, Universe spent all his time going on AA. That would be reasonable in a teamfight, but if you intend to base race it's the most useless target. If he went with abyssal on top of Lina right away, it would have at least been very close. Abed also didn't have his BKB in his inventory when he tp'd for the race and got torrented, but avoiding that alone wouldn't have been enough. From how safe the 3 people alive were playing, I don't think anyone in Fnatic's communications even considered NaVi having time to throne them a realistic possibility. They could have had time to make a plan for how to delay it but they didn't really do anything instead and then somewhat panicked | ||
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babysimba
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The rapier just caught Fnatic off guard. Dendi first showed his rapier when he attacked tier 4s. EE and Abed were 3seconds and 6 seconds away from respawning. Probably another few seconds of Dendi rekting tier 4s before Fnatic realised what was going on. Very hard to make the correct decisions in that situation. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 17 2018 22:24 spudde123 wrote: Looking at the replay it just looks like there was a lot of confusion in Fnatic's camp in terms of what to do. Firstly, neither EE or Abed actually had to die in the engagement which led to them being dead. Pretty sure EE could have just walked away after DJ had saved him by turning him into stone, and Abed didn't pop his BKB and got stunned and died. Then when the push came, Universe spent all his time going on AA. That would be reasonable in a teamfight, but if you intend to base race it's the most useless target. If he went with abyssal on top of Lina right away, it would have at least been very close. Abed also didn't have his BKB in his inventory when he tp'd for the race and got torrented, but avoiding that alone wouldn't have been enough. From how safe the 3 people alive were playing, I don't think anyone in Fnatic's communications even considered NaVi having time to throne them a realistic possibility. They could have had time to make a plan for how to delay it but they didn't really do anything instead and then somewhat panicked Without the Rapier, I don't think Na'vi had the damage to do it, but because of the unknown Rapier, Na'Vi had a 15s window to win the game. It can happen in Dota and it just did today. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On March 17 2018 23:19 babysimba wrote: Abed bought a meme hammer, swapped bkb into the backpack for it. Wasted 2.5seconds casting hammer instead of right clicking throne as 6 slotted TA, then get torrented because of no bkb. I lol-ed. The rapier just caught Fnatic off guard. Dendi first showed his rapier when he attacked tier 4s. EE and Abed were 3seconds and 6 seconds away from respawning. Probably another few seconds of Dendi rekting tier 4s before Fnatic realised what was going on. Very hard to make the correct decisions in that situation. Yeah, but that Abed Meteor Hammer was fucking horrible decision, I don't even know how players come to conclusion that Meteor Hammer will deal more damage than 6 slotted TA... It still wouldn't be enough most likely, since Radiant throne was around 1680 HP when Na`Vi finished the game. | ||
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On March 17 2018 23:38 Ramiz1989 wrote: Infamous making Na`Vi look like a TI Champions they were before... My pubs have more synergy and cohesion than this. That's a lot of SA Dota in general. Team that makes TI is normally the one that figures out how to high ground push in the local meta. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 18 2018 01:58 CosmicSpiral wrote: Papita is like one of only three players who actually farm on Viper. Papita is the only player in the scene that make Viper look good. Fear has made Viper look useful, but Papita just plays it different. (Not quite sure how.) | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On March 18 2018 01:59 Taf the Ghost wrote: Papita is the only player in the scene that make Viper look good. Fear has made Viper look useful, but Papita just plays it different. (Not quite sure how.) No[O]ne? VP don't play Viper much anymore, but he has several stellar performances on it before and after 7.07. There's also some CIS player whose name escapes me at the moment. It's funny how Infamous relies on the level 20 Poison Attack talent to take objectives. XD | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 18 2018 02:06 CosmicSpiral wrote: No[O]ne? VP don't play Viper much anymore, but he has several stellar performances on it before and after 7.07. There's also some CIS player whose name escapes me at the moment. It's funny how Infamous relies on the level 20 Poison Attack talent to take objectives. XD NoOne is just really good, but there's only so much you can do with Viper. Papita seems to have figured out how to use the new version of Viper really well. As for that, Infamous just won a game they shouldn't have. Congrats! | ||
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