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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
February 24 2018 16:23 GMT
#141
to cocky, will be a deserved lose -.-
Thezzphai
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1145 Posts
February 24 2018 16:23 GMT
#142
Interesting play by Liquid, it's not like VG's gameplan isn't completely obvious, better engage 200 gold away from BKB when they have all their ults up
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
February 24 2018 16:24 GMT
#143
eleven's mechanical skill has improved massively
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Procake
Profile Joined December 2013
3803 Posts
February 24 2018 16:25 GMT
#144
That Butterfly rush turned out utterly useless.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 24 2018 16:25 GMT
#145
The bans focused around all of the pushers has made mass-lockdown the sudden meta. Interesting.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 24 2018 16:25 GMT
#146
if nothing else this is a lesson learned for Matumba. He thought the game was over when they didn't even have t3 yet vs a WL naga defense
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 24 2018 16:26 GMT
#147
On February 25 2018 01:25 Procake wrote:
That Butterfly rush turned out utterly useless.

Yeah, I was just thinking. Super careless by liquid. Butterfly did fucking nothing.
super gg
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 24 2018 16:26 GMT
#148
On February 25 2018 01:25 Procake wrote:
That Butterfly rush turned out utterly useless.

singsing thought matumba put in his quickbuy as a joke and has been bashing it ever since he found out it's real
rip
Placebot
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-24 16:28:00
February 24 2018 16:26 GMT
#149
Brood gets hard countered by naga net. Add the fact that old eleven got a 10 minute blink made brood useless even with all the farm. Big difference of skill between him and Fata.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 24 2018 16:28 GMT
#150
On February 25 2018 01:26 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2018 01:25 Procake wrote:
That Butterfly rush turned out utterly useless.

singsing thought matumba put in his quickbuy as a joke and has been bashing it ever since he found out it's real

we all thought so
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
February 24 2018 16:29 GMT
#151
On February 25 2018 01:26 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2018 01:25 Procake wrote:
That Butterfly rush turned out utterly useless.

singsing thought matumba put in his quickbuy as a joke and has been bashing it ever since he found out it's real

I dont even get it, what did he need evasion against? The only way he was going to die was magic dmg and DP ult which butterfly does shit against
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-24 16:31:18
February 24 2018 16:29 GMT
#152
They just really threw that game 5 manning into the only thing VG had, wombo combo. If they just farmed the Tiny Viper and some high ground items on Kuro this game was in the bag.
I think esports is pretty nice.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 24 2018 16:30 GMT
#153
Liquid forgot how to play doto after all those TB spam
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
February 24 2018 16:31 GMT
#154
matu can go orchid-bkb which is very conservative but will win the game steadily
he also can choose deso or cuirass to apply early pressure to vg's structures


but no lets buy butterfly against their exo, barrage, call down, and golem
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
February 24 2018 16:33 GMT
#155
Butterfly was not the best decision, but going high ground without BKB was a disaster.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 24 2018 16:36 GMT
#156
Butterfly wasn't the big deal honestly. Great dps, mobility active, some armor to deal with exorcism. The mistake was forcing fights before they got bkb instead of choking VG out.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 24 2018 16:39 GMT
#157
On February 25 2018 01:33 its_a_me wrote:
Butterfly was not the best decision, but going high ground without BKB was a disaster.

both was bad but the combo made it even worse.

Bfly does nothing to help you highground. It's like the team wasn't on the same page. Matumba did the bfly and kuro then said "okay, we need highground now" and Matumba is like "wait, what? I have nothing to stand highground"

they could have probably gotten away with both the bfly and the highground, just not both at the same time.
Build your bfly if you want but never teamfight unless you have BKB, don't go highground and just farm up.
Or build something that actually helps you vs the wombocomba and the magic damage so that you don't die when you go highground.
It's just sad because this wasn't even an amazing game from Vici or anything. Liquid did everything they could to make it as easy as possible for Vici. You press nagasleep and it's game over for Liquid every fight because you're going to het WL ultied, slowed and kited without bkb's
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 24 2018 16:41 GMT
#158
On February 25 2018 01:36 babysimba wrote:
Butterfly wasn't the big deal honestly. Great dps, mobility active, some armor to deal with exorcism. The mistake was forcing fights before they got bkb instead of choking VG out.

I think even with BKB he still gets netted by naga every fight and cries

he needed a manta on top of it probably
rip
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 24 2018 16:44 GMT
#159
On February 25 2018 01:41 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2018 01:36 babysimba wrote:
Butterfly wasn't the big deal honestly. Great dps, mobility active, some armor to deal with exorcism. The mistake was forcing fights before they got bkb instead of choking VG out.

I think even with BKB he still gets netted by naga every fight and cries

he needed a manta on top of it probably

with BKB he gets netted but won't take any dmg though. Like 80-90% of Vici's damage at that point in time was magic based. The only physical dmg was DP ult. And maaaaaybe a tiny amount of gyro but at that point in time he's still overwhelmingly magic dmg in fights.

So sure, he gets netted while BKB, but survives on probably at least 60% HP, turns on ulti and still kills everyone.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-24 16:45:38
February 24 2018 16:44 GMT
#160
Manta BKB would be faster and better and Deso BKB would be way faster and also better.
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