[ESL One] Katowice 2018 - Playoffs

On February 24 2018 20:49 cecek wrote:
It is an even lane, but later on Omni is very good against the Ursa. Guardian Angel means Ursa won't kill anyone instantly in a teamfight, which is what you want from an Ursa.

On February 24 2018 20:44 its_a_me wrote:
ursa omni is a quiet even 1:1 lane

On February 24 2018 20:50 nVme wrote:


also doesnt repel get rid of fury stacks?

On February 24 2018 20:52 Ramiz1989 wrote:

It's not about the lane, it's about Ursa being completely useless in team fights because he has to jump in, and when guardian angel is popped he is just a dead weight.

Nice play by VP.

On February 24 2018 20:52 Ramiz1989 wrote:

It's not about the lane, it's about Ursa being completely useless in team fights because he has to jump in, and when guardian angel is popped he is just a dead weight.

Nice play by VP.

On February 24 2018 21:33 babysimba wrote:
Doesnt look good for EG. Rtz didn't even down bottom tier 1 when VP was fighting 5 man top earlier.

Nvm troll is going for useless battlefury build lol. Still good for EG I guess

On February 24 2018 21:53 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Well, this is typically where VP tilt against EG and throw the next game. Will it happen again?

On February 24 2018 21:59 Pontual wrote:

the song of siren was the moment VP lost rosh control

On February 24 2018 21:58 PoulsenB wrote:
Also solo got 7 kills in the earlygame but still he was the lowest networth once the midgame came

On February 24 2018 22:00 Faruko wrote:
Troll is a shitty hero, not sure what VP was expecting.

Early game was good enough to win with that trash, but one VP throw and it was over

On February 24 2018 23:07 midou wrote:
Noone is a God!

On February 24 2018 23:08 Zea! wrote:
nice VP broke the curse but Tinker is such a bullshit hero..

On February 24 2018 23:08 Zea! wrote:
nice VP broke the curse but Tinker is such a bullshit hero..

On February 24 2018 23:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:

So are TB, Broodmother and some others as well.

The reason why VP is my favorite team is because their cores can play so many different heroes, I've never seen nor thought that Ramzes would be good on safelane DP, and never saw Pasha on Doom, yet they demolished this game like those are heroes that they play every day. In the meantime, EG had 0 Tinker counters, and just picked great heroes in this meta. Didn't expect for VP to win, but they crushed them early.

On February 24 2018 23:16 nVme wrote:


They had a BM for vision and a DK shadowblade for double initation and lockdown.
The issue for EG were the supports and DP ult + silence
Even if they initiate on the Tinker, it would get countered by a naga sleep into disruptor ult + DP silence
I heavily underestimated the impact of song during teamfights even with BKBs since TBs illusions are useless at that point

On February 25 2018 00:22 DropBear wrote:
Are they running late or is liquipedia wrong?

On February 25 2018 00:56 Deckard_Cain wrote:
No ingame Caster Sound for english Channel?

On February 25 2018 01:07 cecek wrote:
I hope Matu just gets a Rapier. He could have it in like a minute or two.

On February 25 2018 01:19 Keardan wrote:
What's the solution for Liquid? Splitpush?

On February 25 2018 01:25 Procake wrote:
That Butterfly rush turned out utterly useless.

On February 25 2018 01:25 Procake wrote:
That Butterfly rush turned out utterly useless.

On February 25 2018 01:26 TomatoBisque wrote:

singsing thought matumba put in his quickbuy as a joke and has been bashing it ever since he found out it's real

On February 25 2018 01:26 TomatoBisque wrote:

singsing thought matumba put in his quickbuy as a joke and has been bashing it ever since he found out it's real

On February 25 2018 01:33 its_a_me wrote:
Butterfly was not the best decision, but going high ground without BKB was a disaster.

On February 25 2018 01:36 babysimba wrote:
Butterfly wasn't the big deal honestly. Great dps, mobility active, some armor to deal with exorcism. The mistake was forcing fights before they got bkb instead of choking VG out.

On February 25 2018 01:41 TomatoBisque wrote:

I think even with BKB he still gets netted by naga every fight and cries

he needed a manta on top of it probably

On February 25 2018 01:07 midou wrote:

I'm guessing its a way to force people into the facebook crap... or just bugged.

On February 25 2018 01:47 Deckard_Cain wrote:

Yeah it's working on G2 now, so I guess they broke it with the last 1 h delay x]

On February 25 2018 01:56 babysimba wrote:
So weird to pick enchantress against gyro. Gyro has magic damage and flak on creeps if he want to auto attack

On February 25 2018 02:20 babysimba wrote:
Always stay of sleep range, ready to stomp naga to interrupt sleep combo followup. This ET as naga counter is so good

On February 25 2018 02:25 cecek wrote:
This is a game you should watch from Miracle's perspective if you want to learn how to play carry. He's playing so well.

On February 25 2018 03:09 uthgard wrote:
just tuned in into alch, doesn't look like a particularly good game for alch too

On February 25 2018 03:36 Achaian wrote:
this game is a mess for VG, but not unwinnable by any means

if vg figure out how to use their spells without screwing each other up they can definitely win easily

On February 25 2018 03:42 goody153 wrote:
idk what odpixel is smoking blaming vg's losing position on alch being a bad hero

On February 25 2018 03:42 Sloke wrote:
no way miracle dodged the stun as a reflex ... it just can't be

On February 25 2018 03:43 ironcell wrote:
What a hold¡ But i think that Liquid has the late game advantage.

On February 25 2018 03:43 ironcell wrote:
What a hold¡ But i think that Liquid has the late game advantage.

On February 25 2018 03:43 ironcell wrote:
What a hold¡ But i think that Liquid has the late game advantage.

On February 25 2018 03:44 CosmicSpiral wrote:


If Ori builds damage items with his level 25 STR talent, Vici can tank through all of Liquid's damage.

On February 25 2018 03:44 goody153 wrote:

Closer to luck but it could be out of reflex rather than incidental.

If you watch rtz stream he actually does manta dodges on regularity (search it on youtube there's a compilation of rtz's manta dodges)

If rtz could do it, it's possible that miracle could also do it

On February 25 2018 03:57 babysimba wrote:
Yea VG lineup lacks damage. WD aghs is always good.

On February 25 2018 03:58 Toadesstern wrote:

VG has like 300-400 dmg on every hero because of underlords aura lol

On February 25 2018 03:58 Toadesstern wrote:

VG has like 300-400 dmg on every hero because of underlords aura lol

On February 25 2018 03:59 goody153 wrote:

what does underlord aghs do exactly ? or is it a talent that does that ?

On February 25 2018 03:58 goody153 wrote:
wait why was DK hitting 450 splash damage ? what does underlord aghs do ? i didn't even know underlord can have aghs

On February 25 2018 04:01 TomatoBisque wrote:
underlord aghs makes his passive give half the damage that Underlord gets from it to allied heroes

also increases the bonus damage from hero kills by 40 (so +100)

so if Underlord has +400 damage his allies get +200

so whenever kuro randomly gets fucked by alch all of VG is getting +50 damage

On February 25 2018 04:03 M.S.Bismarck wrote:

Also important to note that it affects illusions.

On February 25 2018 04:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
So, the Underlord's Aghs is actually broken, but no one ever actually gets to it. Interesting.

On February 25 2018 04:04 Faruko wrote:
What a throw lmao

On February 25 2018 03:06 Achaian wrote:
if this alchemist is a man's man, carry alchemist with real damage items, then VG have won me over and I will cheer for them

On February 25 2018 04:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Really it only excels when you have other tanky cores that will survive the teamfight.

On February 25 2018 04:12 hunter_x wrote:
The problem wasn't only the alch, but also the underlord with all that damage reduction. DK is fucking tanky too, how do you kill any of these cores in the lategame? And when it goes bad, they always can use Naga or underlord to get out. Very simple draft, but very effective.

On February 25 2018 04:08 goody153 wrote:

far from a throw

liquid was playing on a timer .. liquid draft isn't a good answer to a fat alchemist

On February 25 2018 04:15 CosmicSpiral wrote:


There has to be a draft that can overcome it. Vici's strategy is simply working this well because of the meta.

On February 25 2018 04:17 Faruko wrote:

Not really, that far from a throw

they had them in their base, with a lane completely out

they had to push sidelines and deal steady damage to towers, they knew they were on a timer, but they didnt push it, they had their timing right, had everything to win yet they let it slip, it wasnt like the game was clearly 50/50, at some point Liquid had everything to win.

is not like you can't deal cheap damage to towers/rax with PL, Pugna, Ursa and Chen...

On February 25 2018 04:36 rabidch wrote:
spirit vessel, very useful talent toi have