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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 17 2017 12:21 GMT
#1

Dream League


Sunday, Dec 17 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

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uk Beyond The Summit

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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 17 2017 12:21 GMT
#2
Poll: Summit 8 Champion

Virtus Pro (21)
 
62%

OG (8)
 
24%

Fnatic (3)
 
9%

Kinguin (2)
 
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34 total votes

Your vote: Summit 8 Champion

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(Vote): OG

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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
December 17 2017 17:27 GMT
#3
The only stream that is properly attached to the event is the Portuguese language one for some reason...
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
December 17 2017 17:29 GMT
#4
One thing that has "always" triggered me when watching pro games with Dusa is that most throw the snake directly at the target instead of letting it bounce first for more damage. I know it may sometimes be risky to not use it on the target they wanna damage/kill, but many times they just pass down on free damage for no reason.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 17 2017 18:46 GMT
#5
On December 18 2017 02:29 BigO wrote:
One thing that has "always" triggered me when watching pro games with Dusa is that most throw the snake directly at the target instead of letting it bounce first for more damage. I know it may sometimes be risky to not use it on the target they wanna damage/kill, but many times they just pass down on free damage for no reason.

Bouncing snake is fairly easy to dodge. Especially in laning, and you really want the hero+ranged mana steal whenever you cast it.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
December 17 2017 19:06 GMT
#6
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BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
December 17 2017 19:38 GMT
#7
On December 18 2017 03:46 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2017 02:29 BigO wrote:
One thing that has "always" triggered me when watching pro games with Dusa is that most throw the snake directly at the target instead of letting it bounce first for more damage. I know it may sometimes be risky to not use it on the target they wanna damage/kill, but many times they just pass down on free damage for no reason.

Bouncing snake is fairly easy to dodge. Especially in laning, and you really want the hero+ranged mana steal whenever you cast it.


Ye but when the target is disabled etc, it feels like its basically a no risk play.
maximrobi
Profile Joined May 2015
Hungary347 Posts
December 17 2017 20:13 GMT
#8
Is BKB actually bad for you against Naga ulti? In that last fight Abed got focused while all the others were asleep.
This game is about towers and the Throne, not kills and fancy play.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
December 17 2017 20:20 GMT
#9
Like the panel said it felt like Fnatic should have put WW or NS to help Abed mid. Now the lanes were a big disaster. I felt like later on you could see that Fnatic's heroes weren't that bad and they could take OG on pretty well even when behind but the difference was big enough that they couldn't wipe OG even if they got a really good initiation.

On December 18 2017 05:13 maximrobi wrote:
Is BKB actually bad for you against Naga ulti? In that last fight Abed got focused while all the others were asleep.


Sometimes it can be like that but in this game it was against Tiny and Invoker so I think BKB is pretty necessary. Also Fnatic wants to start fights by blinking in with DP etc, silencing and killing someone, which won't work if the Naga can always just sleep.

spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-17 20:51:41
December 17 2017 20:29 GMT
#10
OG's first bans against Fnatic are pretty nice. Fnatic constantly picked their support duo first in the groups and it was mostly Tusk+AA or Rubick+ET. OG taking those away forces Fnatic to do something pretty different

This Weaver is suffering pretty hard in lane. TA is doing great though. 111 cs at 8:30 rofl
Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
December 17 2017 20:55 GMT
#11
Jerax is playing out of his mind
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
December 17 2017 20:58 GMT
#12
DJ and Jerax this game... insane support plays.
apes
Profile Joined October 2011
United States826 Posts
December 17 2017 20:58 GMT
#13
notail vs envy to see who can make their team lose harder
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
December 17 2017 20:59 GMT
#14
Yea DJ and Jerax are really making plays lol.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-17 22:08:30
December 17 2017 22:00 GMT
#15
Again EE's hero is heavily pressured in lane and is having a hard time

And right as I say that Reso pulls an Aui and dies to ancients as Sven and s4 dies right after to EE

Fnatic hasn't really used Abed's hero at all. He is just farming alone not participating in the game, generally Medusa is great at delaying tower pushes.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
December 17 2017 22:17 GMT
#16
Seems like a straight forward draft win. I don't see OG's game 3 lineup beating Fnatic.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
December 17 2017 22:20 GMT
#17
I'm not going to lie but this meta seems horrendous.
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
December 17 2017 22:21 GMT
#18
EE is back in the finals of a dota minor. After the initial problems in SEA this is a great way to end the year for fnatic.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
December 17 2017 22:24 GMT
#19
not banning medusa with a single core sven...ouch
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
December 17 2017 22:26 GMT
#20
Well this was a decisive throning from Fnatic.

Can't watch the finals but smells like a 3-0 or 3-1 for VP. Fnatic is dangerous if they get their picks right but I think VP is more versatile and is likely to get a draft advantage in a few games at least
Whoranzone
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany330 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-17 22:26:59
December 17 2017 22:26 GMT
#21
Don't know I think it's not that bad but there are a few heroes with a slight bit too much late game potential.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 17 2017 22:30 GMT
#22
On December 18 2017 07:20 Kuroeeah wrote:
I'm not going to lie but this meta seems horrendous.


I love the return to emphasizing mechanics in the laning phase, but the AoE-flash-farming-core trend is just tiring.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
December 17 2017 22:35 GMT
#23
that lgdamefan vid was funny. bulba fiending at the end lol
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
December 17 2017 23:36 GMT
#24
GrandGranT with the movie facts: Samwise is a dumb name and Frodo was a little bitch.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
December 17 2017 23:47 GMT
#25
underlord does nothing man
High Risk Low Reward
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
December 18 2017 00:03 GMT
#26
Earthshpirit is very shcary.
super gg
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3617 Posts
December 18 2017 00:23 GMT
#27
I missed the whole first game because I trusted the schedule.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
December 18 2017 00:30 GMT
#28
this earth spirit lmao
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-18 00:49:34
December 18 2017 00:48 GMT
#29
The anime comeback!?

N-nani?!
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
December 18 2017 00:50 GMT
#30
Roflmao, someone needs to make a madder sky amv or sth.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
December 18 2017 00:58 GMT
#31
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
December 18 2017 01:07 GMT
#32
What do you guys really think happens inside EE's mind when he's down 2 racks?
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-18 01:21:13
December 18 2017 01:19 GMT
#33
Biologically or in terms of thinking?

Biologically no idea

@Thinking: From his streams I'd say he feels the need to do more on the map. The idea is that loosing a hero is way less loss than normally bc of rubberband and if shit happens, it was a hard game anyways. But if you go extra greedy or split more to keep the map open and get away with it you start coming back.

It's a similar train of though to how teams do desperation 5-man smokes. Envy just incrementally leans to higher risks the shittier the game goes.
low gravity, yes-yes!
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-18 01:33:46
December 18 2017 01:33 GMT
#34
Pasha, 8/1/4 100% kill participation offlane SD. Seems decent.
super gg
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3617 Posts
December 18 2017 01:43 GMT
#35
Pasha for MVP this game.

Assuming VP win.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
December 18 2017 02:04 GMT
#36
How the heck Pasha only died twice as a SD this game....
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Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-18 02:10:56
December 18 2017 02:06 GMT
#37
Surprised by how easily VP dealt with PL. Agreed to Arteezy, this looked like a good PL game and he didn't really have any impact in the fights.

Also somehow Ohaijyo had less impact with refresher than last game without it.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9572 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-18 02:12:30
December 18 2017 02:09 GMT
#38
Are finals bo5?

derp it says so on the screen in-between games.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 18 2017 02:10 GMT
#39
On December 18 2017 11:06 Archeon wrote:
Surprised by how easily VP dealt with PL. Agreed to Arteezy, this looked like a good PL game and he didn't really have any impact in the fights.


Ramzes itemized correctly and Pasha wrecked him with Aghs + ultimate.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-18 02:14:37
December 18 2017 02:13 GMT
#40
On December 18 2017 11:10 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2017 11:06 Archeon wrote:
Surprised by how easily VP dealt with PL. Agreed to Arteezy, this looked like a good PL game and he didn't really have any impact in the fights.


Ramzes itemized correctly and Pasha wrecked him with Aghs + ultimate.

True, Fnatic had surprising difficulties to keep Abed alive in fights, which made the breaks really strong.
low gravity, yes-yes!
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-18 02:42:22
December 18 2017 02:41 GMT
#41
Noone microing the spiderites back so EE doesn't kill them is so smart, idk why they didnt notice on the panel. Guess they didn't see he split the spiderlings and the spiderites.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
December 18 2017 02:50 GMT
#42
On December 18 2017 11:41 BigO wrote:
Noone microing the spiderites back so EE doesn't kill them is so smart, idk why they didnt notice on the panel. Guess they didn't see he split the spiderlings and the spiderites.

Ramzes is playing the Brood.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
December 18 2017 03:02 GMT
#43
On December 18 2017 11:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2017 11:41 BigO wrote:
Noone microing the spiderites back so EE doesn't kill them is so smart, idk why they didnt notice on the panel. Guess they didn't see he split the spiderlings and the spiderites.

Ramzes is playing the Brood.


Haha yeah, wrong name, guess I ain't paying attention either! :D
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
December 18 2017 03:04 GMT
#44
ohaiyos hero pool is worse than bulldogs
High Risk Low Reward
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
December 18 2017 03:08 GMT
#45
Fnatic are a good team, just no match for VP. Also EE needs to work on his drafting... you cant 2nd pick Tinker or 3rd pick Luna just like that against a T1 team.
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
December 18 2017 03:08 GMT
#46
jacky lmao 2nd place curse continues
the throws never bothered me anyway
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
December 18 2017 03:21 GMT
#47
On December 18 2017 12:08 peidongyang wrote:
jacky lmao 2nd place curse continues

Better than last place! Don't imagine Fnatic will ever win a tournament.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
SatsuinoHado
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria777 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-18 05:47:05
December 18 2017 05:43 GMT
#48
On December 18 2017 12:21 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2017 12:08 peidongyang wrote:
jacky lmao 2nd place curse continues

Better than last place! Don't imagine Fnatic will ever win a tournament.


Winning who said winning :D thats what tha last tourney they are qualified for that window mineski decided to not play serious I doubt this will happen anytime soon. Thats like empires win on the asus rog last week its great and all but thats it...
Edit: forgot about that invitation to esl genting where the only team they can beat is tnc if they qualify and eg
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