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Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
December 08 2016 23:56 GMT
#561
anti-mage dream ded
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
December 08 2016 23:57 GMT
#562
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 08 2016 23:57 GMT
#563
On December 09 2016 08:54 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i remember when liquid`fata dk was a thing theyd prepare ancient stacks for him...

medusa's post50minute game is vastly overrated

putting qop lina and brood above meepo is also super questionable

meepo can actually still just end the game if you manage to teamwipe, that makes ihm better than all 3 of those already


Well, the old evaluation for scaling cores assumed 4 protect 1. The ability to win 1v5 isn't really that important anymore.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
December 08 2016 23:57 GMT
#564
No China shall prevail
This will be shanghai 2.0
-Terran-
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
December 08 2016 23:58 GMT
#565
newbee's draft is already looking damn scary
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-08 23:59:03
December 08 2016 23:58 GMT
#566
miss
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 00:00:11
December 08 2016 23:58 GMT
#567
On December 09 2016 08:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:54 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i remember when liquid`fata dk was a thing theyd prepare ancient stacks for him...

medusa's post50minute game is vastly overrated

putting qop lina and brood above meepo is also super questionable

meepo can actually still just end the game if you manage to teamwipe, that makes ihm better than all 3 of those already


Well, the old evaluation for scaling cores assumed 4 protect 1. The ability to win 1v5 isn't really that important anymore.

failing to see direct relevance of your statement

im just assuming the gamestate is the hero in question is around 25-30k networth at 50 minutes, the enemy carry hero is around there, and then the teams are about equal otehrwise too

obv exceptions for heroes that naturally rice faster like alch tb naga am sven etc, they'll hit those networth values at 40 minutes or faster in a good game and win...?

idk its weird to talk about the lategames of those heroes alone cuz whether or not theyve farmed well and had a decent game relates to whether or not its still even a game at 50 minutes
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Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 00:01:03
December 08 2016 23:59 GMT
#568
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void, Morphling
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

What's the difference between LS and Naix?
Also missing jah'rakal here
He's the staple of 4p1
-Terran-
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 08 2016 23:59 GMT
#569
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?


I'd probably give him a B, he's always more underwhelming than I think he'd be come lategame. In games where you're able to split push effectively, I guess an A. Idk, on paper he seems a lot better than how games turn out with him.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 09 2016 00:00 GMT
#570
On December 09 2016 08:59 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void, Morphling
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

What's the difference between LS and Naix?


Opps, I'm like did I not rate Naix yet, because I didn't see him there, so I wrote it, sorry.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
December 09 2016 00:00 GMT
#571
On December 09 2016 08:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?


I'd probably give him a B, he's always more underwhelming than I think he'd be come lategame. In games where you're able to split push effectively, I guess an A. Idk, on paper he seems a lot better than how games turn out with him.

he's terrible at 50 minutes, like 80% of team comps just start killing the bear too fast at that stage
posting on liquid sites in current year
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
December 09 2016 00:01 GMT
#572
Morph = SS tier?
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
December 09 2016 00:01 GMT
#573
damn i want that alchemist hat
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
December 09 2016 00:02 GMT
#574
newbee have a lot of really good heroes
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
December 09 2016 00:02 GMT
#575
I think I would favor Newbee here draftwise
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Chrian
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1472 Posts
December 09 2016 00:03 GMT
#576
Any chance this is just an aghs farming alch? SD, Nyx, PotM and weaver aghs are all incredible. It would be super risky and gimmicky in an elim game, but possible it could work.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
December 09 2016 00:04 GMT
#577
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?

Lone druid is an awful late game carry. It's a terrible argument that just because you have a 12 slotted hero means it'll ever be good.

Even in a dream scenario where you actually get 12 items, you're still not doing impressive damage on either sylla or his bear. Bear doesn't have stat growth or survivability and Sylla even slotted with the most expensive items doesn't do enough damage.
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
December 09 2016 00:04 GMT
#578
On December 09 2016 09:02 ShiaoPi wrote:
I think I would favor Newbee here draftwise

Well we're seeing Weaver being played the wrong way again so not looking good for Ad Finem.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
December 09 2016 00:04 GMT
#579
well AF got the start they needed
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
December 09 2016 00:04 GMT
#580
Support bat in game3 of a single elim tournament.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
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