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On December 09 2016 12:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 12:46 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:45 rebdomine wrote:On December 09 2016 12:44 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:On December 09 2016 12:34 Vertical wrote:On December 09 2016 12:31 FiWiFaKi wrote:
When looking at all the chinese teams still left in the tournament, there isn't a single one who's won a single game against a non-chinese team.
They shouldn't get more than one direct invite after this performance. a single game or a single series ? because EHOME won 1 game against NP you a super west-fanboy or east-hatetrain? Because of the entire performance of the chinese teams this tournament. And I don't like how the chinese teams are fairly unethical/unsportsmanlike, so maybe that has a bit to do with it, but mainly based on merit. i'm not sure what you argument is about whether it's about chinese being terrible or unethical.. i'm not even sure what you mean by unenthical i don't see them like that you can't not uninvite chinese so they don't do that well in a single tournament .. they've done well on the others and they've always done well at TI I think the whole unethical thing comes from the Chinese teams sharing replays of scrims with Western teams among each other i don't really see anything wrong with that there's no disclosure agreement that they can't share those .. and i bet even western teams talk about stuff they discover from other teams to teams/players they are close with It's just stuff that rubbed me the wrong ways, like when the chinese scene were lynching was it DK? Just whenever drama comes out from the Chinese scene, I'm like this is so stupid, nothing big comes to mind right now though. And that's what I'm saying, there's no NDA agreement... Hence why what they're doing is not illegal, but rather unethical or unsportsmanlike, at least from my view of competition.
Buuut didn't AUI came out with a bloggo about how important replays are in improving the scene? Why is there such drama here, west can share reps of china if they want to study.
Why are replays so sacred? should we return to BW days when reps are banned from release.
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On December 09 2016 12:31 calh wrote:
TBH China has performed below expectation for a long time now, with a few exceptions here and there (CDEC, Wings). Maybe the game has shifted away too much from what they used to be good at.
grass root dota still there.
it's being known that the new comers in Chinese scene are not as strong as the west and they've being going through a transition phase for 2 TIs now.
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On December 09 2016 13:48 haduken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 12:31 calh wrote:
TBH China has performed below expectation for a long time now, with a few exceptions here and there (CDEC, Wings). Maybe the game has shifted away too much from what they used to be good at. grass root dota still there. it's being known that the new comers in Chinese scene are not as strong as the west and they've being going through a transition phase for 2 TIs now.
Not sure if playing an Azarkon or serious.
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On December 09 2016 14:11 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 13:48 haduken wrote:On December 09 2016 12:31 calh wrote:
TBH China has performed below expectation for a long time now, with a few exceptions here and there (CDEC, Wings). Maybe the game has shifted away too much from what they used to be good at. grass root dota still there. it's being known that the new comers in Chinese scene are not as strong as the west and they've being going through a transition phase for 2 TIs now. Not sure if playing an Azarkon or serious.
oh God, not that name again
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China failed hard this major.
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On December 09 2016 12:37 kidswift wrote:
robodoto is no longer efficient? good.
The problem is that they no longer play that. I think it would be very efficient if they actually did it.
LGD losing today was due to too many individual plays with no plan. So they often got a good start then fell apart when they should be following a team strategy and focusing pre-arranged targets in fights.
On December 09 2016 14:49 sweatbomb wrote:
China failed hard this major.
Yup. My prediction bracket is ruined by it.
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On December 09 2016 13:35 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 13:27 Thetwinmasters wrote:On December 09 2016 12:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:On December 09 2016 12:46 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:45 rebdomine wrote:On December 09 2016 12:44 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:On December 09 2016 12:34 Vertical wrote:On December 09 2016 12:31 FiWiFaKi wrote:
When looking at all the chinese teams still left in the tournament, there isn't a single one who's won a single game against a non-chinese team.
They shouldn't get more than one direct invite after this performance. a single game or a single series ? because EHOME won 1 game against NP you a super west-fanboy or east-hatetrain? Because of the entire performance of the chinese teams this tournament. And I don't like how the chinese teams are fairly unethical/unsportsmanlike, so maybe that has a bit to do with it, but mainly based on merit. i'm not sure what you argument is about whether it's about chinese being terrible or unethical.. i'm not even sure what you mean by unenthical i don't see them like that you can't not uninvite chinese so they don't do that well in a single tournament .. they've done well on the others and they've always done well at TI I think the whole unethical thing comes from the Chinese teams sharing replays of scrims with Western teams among each other i don't really see anything wrong with that there's no disclosure agreement that they can't share those .. and i bet even western teams talk about stuff they discover from other teams to teams/players they are close with It's just stuff that rubbed me the wrong ways, like when the chinese scene were lynching was it DK? Just whenever drama comes out from the Chinese scene, I'm like this is so stupid, nothing big comes to mind right now though. And that's what I'm saying, there's no NDA agreement... Hence why what they're doing is not illegal, but rather unethical or unsportsmanlike, at least from my view of competition. JW do you hate the NA scene for doing the exact same things? This is a fair question. The NA scene has always been an amazing race to the bottom that somehow produces a few good dota players.
To me, NA looks more like kids who don't know any better. Chinese teams give off the vibe of a vandetta against other regions that is more intentional.
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On December 09 2016 15:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 13:35 Nevuk wrote:On December 09 2016 13:27 Thetwinmasters wrote:On December 09 2016 12:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:On December 09 2016 12:46 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:45 rebdomine wrote:On December 09 2016 12:44 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:On December 09 2016 12:34 Vertical wrote:On December 09 2016 12:31 FiWiFaKi wrote:
When looking at all the chinese teams still left in the tournament, there isn't a single one who's won a single game against a non-chinese team.
They shouldn't get more than one direct invite after this performance. a single game or a single series ? because EHOME won 1 game against NP you a super west-fanboy or east-hatetrain? Because of the entire performance of the chinese teams this tournament. And I don't like how the chinese teams are fairly unethical/unsportsmanlike, so maybe that has a bit to do with it, but mainly based on merit. i'm not sure what you argument is about whether it's about chinese being terrible or unethical.. i'm not even sure what you mean by unenthical i don't see them like that you can't not uninvite chinese so they don't do that well in a single tournament .. they've done well on the others and they've always done well at TI I think the whole unethical thing comes from the Chinese teams sharing replays of scrims with Western teams among each other i don't really see anything wrong with that there's no disclosure agreement that they can't share those .. and i bet even western teams talk about stuff they discover from other teams to teams/players they are close with It's just stuff that rubbed me the wrong ways, like when the chinese scene were lynching was it DK? Just whenever drama comes out from the Chinese scene, I'm like this is so stupid, nothing big comes to mind right now though. And that's what I'm saying, there's no NDA agreement... Hence why what they're doing is not illegal, but rather unethical or unsportsmanlike, at least from my view of competition. JW do you hate the NA scene for doing the exact same things? This is a fair question. The NA scene has always been an amazing race to the bottom that somehow produces a few good dota players. To me, NA looks more like kids who don't know any better. Chinese teams give off the vibe of a vandetta against other regions that is more intentional.
NA had a vendetta against DC because they got paid a salary lmao
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China dominated TI5 though, only EG and Secret were better but Secret choked to hell (to Chinese team EHOME)
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On December 09 2016 16:43 Shergal wrote:
China dominated TI5 though, only EG and Secret were better but Secret choked to hell (to Chinese team EHOME)
by that Logic with exception of TI 1, every TI China is either Wins it or Dominate it
TI1 : 4 team, 2 out of top 6 is China, Winner : CIS
TI2 : 5 team, 4 out of top 6 is China, Winner : China
TI3 : 5 team, 3 out of top 6 is China, Winner : EU
TI4 : 5 team, 4 out of top 6 is China, Winner : China
TI5 : 6 team, 4 out of top 6 is China, Winner : NA
TI6 : 6 team, 2 out of top 6 is China, Winner : China
so we can say TI6 is actually the worst China as a whole have perform since TI1
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On December 09 2016 12:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 12:46 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:45 rebdomine wrote:On December 09 2016 12:44 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:On December 09 2016 12:34 Vertical wrote:On December 09 2016 12:31 FiWiFaKi wrote:
When looking at all the chinese teams still left in the tournament, there isn't a single one who's won a single game against a non-chinese team.
They shouldn't get more than one direct invite after this performance. a single game or a single series ? because EHOME won 1 game against NP you a super west-fanboy or east-hatetrain? Because of the entire performance of the chinese teams this tournament. And I don't like how the chinese teams are fairly unethical/unsportsmanlike, so maybe that has a bit to do with it, but mainly based on merit. i'm not sure what you argument is about whether it's about chinese being terrible or unethical.. i'm not even sure what you mean by unenthical i don't see them like that you can't not uninvite chinese so they don't do that well in a single tournament .. they've done well on the others and they've always done well at TI I think the whole unethical thing comes from the Chinese teams sharing replays of scrims with Western teams among each other i don't really see anything wrong with that there's no disclosure agreement that they can't share those .. and i bet even western teams talk about stuff they discover from other teams to teams/players they are close with It's just stuff that rubbed me the wrong ways, like when the chinese scene were lynching was it DK? Just whenever drama comes out from the Chinese scene, I'm like this is so stupid, nothing big comes to mind right now though. And that's what I'm saying, there's no NDA agreement... Hence why what they're doing is not illegal, but rather unethical or unsportsmanlike, at least from my view of competition. There's nothing even remotely unethical about sharing your experiences with friends
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On December 09 2016 20:32 wims80 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 12:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:On December 09 2016 12:46 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:45 rebdomine wrote:On December 09 2016 12:44 goody153 wrote:On December 09 2016 12:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:On December 09 2016 12:34 Vertical wrote:On December 09 2016 12:31 FiWiFaKi wrote:
When looking at all the chinese teams still left in the tournament, there isn't a single one who's won a single game against a non-chinese team.
They shouldn't get more than one direct invite after this performance. a single game or a single series ? because EHOME won 1 game against NP you a super west-fanboy or east-hatetrain? Because of the entire performance of the chinese teams this tournament. And I don't like how the chinese teams are fairly unethical/unsportsmanlike, so maybe that has a bit to do with it, but mainly based on merit. i'm not sure what you argument is about whether it's about chinese being terrible or unethical.. i'm not even sure what you mean by unenthical i don't see them like that you can't not uninvite chinese so they don't do that well in a single tournament .. they've done well on the others and they've always done well at TI I think the whole unethical thing comes from the Chinese teams sharing replays of scrims with Western teams among each other i don't really see anything wrong with that there's no disclosure agreement that they can't share those .. and i bet even western teams talk about stuff they discover from other teams to teams/players they are close with It's just stuff that rubbed me the wrong ways, like when the chinese scene were lynching was it DK? Just whenever drama comes out from the Chinese scene, I'm like this is so stupid, nothing big comes to mind right now though. And that's what I'm saying, there's no NDA agreement... Hence why what they're doing is not illegal, but rather unethical or unsportsmanlike, at least from my view of competition. There's nothing even remotely unethical about sharing your experiences with friends
"Sharing your experiences with friends" lol
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I mean, whatever, they think helping each other will help chinese scene grow. So they're doing that, it is like NA grouped and did this agaisnt eu or vice-versa, it would be fine imo.
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I personally have no idea what the implied agreement about sharing information is when two teams agree to scrim, nor if different teams have different opinions on the issue. If I were to guess, though, I'd say it's probably "don't share info on the scrim" because if both teams agree to mutually share info with their own compatriots, it's possible both teams would be worse off and people would then avoid scrimming.
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