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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
 Boston Major!http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Boston_Major/2016 StreamsFormat
Fixtures!![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/dc.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/Teamfaceless.png) Thursday, Dec 08 6:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/ehome.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/np.png) Thursday, Dec 08 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/adfinem.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/newbee.png) Friday, Dec 09 1:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/lgd.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/lgd_fy.png) Results!Awesomeness: Panda Banner: Valve | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Digital Chaos vs Team Faceless Digital Chaos Win (39) Team Faceless Win (6) 45 total votes Your vote: Digital Chaos vs Team Faceless Poll: EHOME vs NP EHOME Win (25) NP Win (20) 45 total votes Your vote: EHOME vs NP Poll: Ad Finem vs Newbee Newbee Win (27) Ad Finem Win (19) 46 total votes Your vote: Ad Finem vs Newbee | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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lolfail9001
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 08 2016 15:55 lolfail9001 wrote: I've just realized we are getting ourselves a bunch of rematches. I mean, it just makes things more interesting. better chance to have better games. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Although I will be cheering for Ad Finem :D | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On December 08 2016 14:58 plasmidghost wrote: EE is going to win 2-0 I haven't been able to watch any of the games so far. Has NP looked solid so far? | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 08 2016 23:56 SupLilSon wrote: I haven't been able to watch any of the games so far. Has NP looked solid so far? I see them as a stable team. If you beat them then you're good enough to top 8, if you can't then you need to change something in the team. A bit like the old FNG virtus pro. | ||
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Nyan
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babysimba
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Aceace
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Booring. So damn boring... | ||
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Pontual
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q3D3Gfr.jpg) | ||
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Yurie
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babysimba
10466 Posts
And they have useless offlaner in LC | ||
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Aceace
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
w33 with 2 tower denies + 1 tower secure, doing work. | ||
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lolfail9001
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
wow Black^ | ||
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babysimba
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lolfail9001
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BrownBear
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
are dead | ||
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babysimba
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Faceless got caught with SD without buyback and that was enough for DC to smash the mid rax. | ||
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babysimba
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Edit: GG! | ||
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bagels21
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Pontual
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
What's sad is that was probably the best game Faceless has played so far this tournament, I actually felt bad for Black in that game. Maybe it's time to merge Fnatic and Faceless together... | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 09 2016 01:03 bagels21 wrote: I like black and don't want to flame too hard, but I guarantee you if EE was playing TB there that people would flame the shit out of the TB for not sundering EE is a relevant player though. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
so you're saying Black^ needs to blog about Puppey? | ||
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Yurie
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Kamisamanachi
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 09 2016 01:06 Yurie wrote: Seems Luna is strong enough even without the SD. 70%+ win rate. The stand out hero of the tournament thus far. honestly this game was won on the back of w33/proper timing based off of ravage CD Also the faceless cores were just way less skilled than DCs. (outside of icex3) | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 09 2016 01:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: so you're saying Black^ needs to blog about Puppey? He'd have to be good enough to join a Puppey team first. | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 09 2016 01:09 stuchiu wrote: He'd have to be good enough to join a Puppey team first. brutal | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
On December 09 2016 01:08 bagels21 wrote: honestly this game was won on the back of w33/proper timing based off of ravage CD Also the faceless cores were just way less skilled than DCs. (outside of icex3) iceiceice was awful that game. Black played better than the other cores in game 1. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On December 09 2016 01:09 stuchiu wrote: He'd have to be good enough to join a Puppey team first. damn son | ||
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babysimba
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
Also what might have happened is cis mentality in a sea team. They played like a team and wrecked everybody, now they seem like individuals matched up in the same game vs a real pro team | ||
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BrownBear
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On December 09 2016 01:23 Pontual wrote: Black is like bulba in a carry position. I feel bad for him. Also what might have happened is cis mentality in a sea team. They played like a team and wrecked everybody, now they seem like individuals matched up in the same game vs a real pro team the thing is facelss isn't really SEA team.. they have 2 players who have been exclusively playing in SEA. i don't see an ounce of SEA aggression or SEA heroes in their draft and game strategy. | ||
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babysimba
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
edit: yay | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 09 2016 01:34 Kamisamanachi wrote: after last game's rejuvenating chen performance, they pick enchantress this game. They were reading last night's LR discussion on how to counter SD, obv let's see how it goes | ||
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Pontual
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Kamisamanachi
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Germany462 Posts
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Chrian
United States1472 Posts
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babysimba
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Thezzphai
Germany1145 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
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IG.v with 2 subs could 2-0 this team after their yesterday's performance | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 09 2016 01:59 Alpino wrote: You guys are all dissing them but they have a good shot at winning this game Although sniper is great defender i don't agree with you. Faceless are much more propense to do mistakes than Dc right now. Plus sahdow demon illusions are the best thing to take high ground without commiting | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10654 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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rebdomine
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:03 Emnjay808 wrote: Man LD's casting has not improved AT ALL over the years. It was inevitable since he started focusing more on every other aspect of his business (which is really successful as far as I can tell). | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10654 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:05 stuchiu wrote: It was inevitable since he started focusing more on every other aspect of his business (which is really successful as far as I can tell). I think LD is a great person but his casting is not where it needs to be. | ||
TheEmulator
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On December 09 2016 02:05 stuchiu wrote: It was inevitable since he started focusing more on every other aspect of his business (which is really successful as far as I can tell). He's also more or less grandfathered into the scene. | ||
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Canada32739 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:05 stuchiu wrote: It was inevitable since he started focusing more on every other aspect of his business (which is really successful as far as I can tell). It also hasn't declined massively either, which is something of an achievement. He's no longer one of the best casters, but he is fairly solid. There's also not any more woaw the refraction moments. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:03 Emnjay808 wrote: Man LD's casting has not improved AT ALL over the years. Yeah, he stagnated hard and has a bad habit of talking over his cocaster | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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rebdomine
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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shad2810
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Kamisamanachi
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MUFC of boston major | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:09 rebdomine wrote: 0-6 yikes Worse than MVP.P. Invite justified! | ||
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TheEmulator
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:15 Kamisamanachi wrote: black back to being caster/analyst? MUFC of boston major That should have been Execration but US embassy wanted none of that. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:40 lolfail9001 wrote: That should have been Execration but US embassy wanted none of that. I must disagree, they had a shot of being just like WG.U, or even better | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:49 cecek wrote: 1437's hair is completely unacceptable. What the hell is that. I silly fohawk. I think it looks silly, but it's not indecent in any way (imo). Don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to compete looking like that. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:44 Pontual wrote: I must disagree, they had a shot of being just like WG.U, or even better As was Faceless, if you remember their SEA run. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote: I silly fohawk. I think it looks silly, but it's not indecent in any way (imo). Don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to compete looking like that. You misunderstood me. Obviously, he can have any haircut he wants and compete. I'm just saying it looks fucking stupid. :D | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:52 lolfail9001 wrote: As was Faceless, if you remember their SEA run. I didn't expect nothing from faceless this major, their summit run was awful. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:55 cecek wrote: You misunderstood me. Obviously, he can have any haircut he wants and compete. I'm just saying it looks fucking stupid. :D Ah, you said unacceptable, so I wasn't sure ^^ (I agree) | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:55 cecek wrote: You misunderstood me. Obviously, he can have any haircut he wants and compete. I'm just saying it looks fucking stupid. :D Is LaNm's minibeard acceptable? | ||
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Provocateur
Sweden1665 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is LaNm's minibeard acceptable? Lol I was about to remark on this as well, but it looks pretts hilarious along with his sandals :D | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On December 09 2016 02:58 Provocateur wrote: Lol I was about to remark on this as well, but it looks pretts hilarious along with his sandals :D The legend of Big Dick LaNm grows :D | ||
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TheEmulator
28084 Posts
"grows" hehe | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
his fanbase is swelling also not a fan of this np draft already  | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:06 Thetwinmasters wrote: THANK GOD FOR NO SD+LUNA Naga pick incoming | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:05 Sn0_Man wrote: his fanbase is swelling also not a fan of this np draft already they banned alch. That's all I wanted to see. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:08 Papercappu wrote: what happened to charlie? did he worked for EG again or something? he technically still works for Twitch | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
And funny enough, i dont even know if that is a good or a bad thing for either of them goin further in this tournament! I would have loved a sniper lastpick for Ehome with timber goin save. Or is that to weak vs jugg mid? | ||
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Alpino
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:14 Alpino wrote: I think we have a good NP draft to win a game of dota here np's draft is straight disaster | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
Have you forgotten that we win when we have 10% chance to win not when we have 90%? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:29 babysimba wrote: Lamn is just trolling with his lvl 3 enfeeble it's brutal vs weaver and jugg both | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:37 babysimba wrote: lol Lamn goes straight into stats after maxing enfeeble. the og ogre | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
I saw it on solo first. | ||
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Zea!
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dutchfriese
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Lycan + Timber + Bat is actually the most aids combo | ||
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Alpino
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core weaver needs to snowball completely outta control to be a hero | ||
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Sn0_Man
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On December 09 2016 03:47 dutchfriese wrote: probably gonna see a lot of lycan for the remainder of this tournament i bet Lycan + Timber + Bat is actually the most aids combo I can assure you, lycan was not the issue | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:47 dutchfriese wrote: probably gonna see a lot of lycan for the remainder of this tournament i bet Lycan + Timber + Bat is actually the most aids combo The funny thing is yesterday everyone was bashing Wings for picking Lycan and saying it was complete dogshit. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:48 Sn0_Man wrote: I can assure you, lycan was not the issue Lycan was for what's he's always been for, killing buildings at 20 minutes. 14.2k damage. Timber and Bat remove hereoes, Lycan removes objectives. | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:49 Nevuk wrote: Lycan was almost a non factor. They could have drafted literally any carry that could split push and had the same thing happen. lol no | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:58 Nevuk wrote: I love that they have english subtitles for 1437. Maybe they just do it for every member of NP? (I could totally understand if it was envy) They have subs for everyone. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On December 09 2016 03:53 dutchfriese wrote: Lycan was for what's he's always been for, killing buildings at 20 minutes. 14.2k damage. Timber and Bat remove hereoes, Lycan removes objectives. I can has Lone Druid? | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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Nevuk
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Vadrigar
Bulgaria2379 Posts
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Thetwinmasters
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yyfpulls
United States2185 Posts
Typical tilting EE | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:04 Vadrigar wrote: Aui yawning. GG. Don't think aui is the hyyype kind of guy. He's pretty chill. If it was swindle you could totally read that he's not in the mood to play. | ||
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Alpino
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dutchfriese
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Yeah BRB in 20 minutes farming midas/radi | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
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lolfail9001
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:08 dutchfriese wrote: Yeah BRB in 20 minutes farming midas/radi Yeah, farming TOWERS, BRO-SKI!  | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Nvm I didn't realize there was envy mirana i'm dumb. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:10 lolfail9001 wrote: Inb4 old chicken has a TI5 Shiki moment. shiki had a far stronger leshrac at his hand than oldchicken has now | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:02 plasmidghost wrote: EE gonna get 2-0ed and get another last place at a Valve event fuck my life This is why I normally just bandwagon from tournament to tournament in Dota 2. I was rooting for Wings to win it all again going into the tournament but that ship's sailed, so I dunno. Maybe i'll just start rooting for LGD or hop on the VP train. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
So, does it mean that role swap between Sylar and old chicken is complete? EDIT: Stun trades. | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:02 plasmidghost wrote: EE gonna get 2-0ed and get another last place at a Valve event fuck my life Only when everything is stacked against him can he pull out his internal anime powers. | ||
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Brazil4390 Posts
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Belgium16168 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:15 Alpino wrote: slark getting megarekted so's ee | ||
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Oh, it is Sylar Leshrac. So, does it mean that role swap between Sylar and old chicken is complete? EDIT: Stun trades. I figure now a days you pretty much want your 1 and 2 to be 1a and 1b for the most part. Probably part of the reason S4 is playing offlane now. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:18 dutchfriese wrote: I figure now a days you pretty much want your 1 and 2 to be 1a and 1b for the most part. Probably part of the reason S4 is playing offlane now. I talk about actual laning swap, not role distribution. | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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babysimba
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On December 09 2016 04:22 plasmidghost wrote: EE and Slark really recovered after the awful laning stages, both in top 2 of net worth Iron talon slark is like the best non-bfury jungler in game | ||
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FacelessScandinavian
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Alpino
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OUTPLAYED | ||
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GOHF
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Deja vu. | ||
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Alpino
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On December 09 2016 04:44 BrownBear wrote: Never underestimate an EE team's ability to throw. u were saying | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Yup, go figure EHOME goes ahead and donates Lesh right after I say that :D Still true though. | ||
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Kirsed
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It's better if they are up in game 3 and throw. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Look into your heart. You know he is right. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:46 Thetwinmasters wrote: Pick Luna win game Black^ disapproves Anyways, EHOME got warlocked and we get ourselves a series | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:46 Kuroeeah wrote: I don't recall NP throwing on a cloud 9 level yet. NP usually loses by doing something atrociously bad in lane and rolls over if anything. as a diehard NP fan I can tell you, they have the ability to throw c9 style no doubts | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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Theoren
Canada810 Posts
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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United States5955 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:58 Mafe wrote: What the.... I guess this has been running each day so far? Or why do few comment on this "ad"? I believe this is the world premiere of this particular segment | ||
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Kirsed
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:59 Papercappu wrote: what did i missed Slacks being a beautiful flower and Charlie Yang in Dota 2 Leggings. And Trouser-less Time Traveler guy. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
On December 09 2016 04:59 ZeaL. wrote: I dunno why but this major feels super weak so I haven't been watching much. The only team that gets me excited is VP. shit brackets. no Secret & Liquid.felt like watching a small LAN | ||
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MistraL958
Switzerland100 Posts
Thanks Secret Shop!!! | ||
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Sn0_Man
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On December 09 2016 05:00 Kirsed wrote: I'd check out that Monolith. leggings are perfect for erecting a monolith  | ||
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Or SD-Luna shall prevail? On December 09 2016 05:02 BrownBear wrote: Welp, NP left up SD Luna, was fun while it lasted. EHOME left up Warlock tho. | ||
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On December 09 2016 04:59 ZeaL. wrote: I dunno why but this major feels super weak so I haven't been watching much. The only team that gets me excited is VP. I think Newbee is really strong too, fwiw. They'll likely emerge from the other side | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:06 Papercappu wrote: ok i found the charlie leggings vods lmao https://clips.twitch.tv/dotamajor/FantasticFlamingoEleGiggle That URL is amazing. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:07 bagels21 wrote: I think Newbee is really strong too, fwiw. They'll likely emerge from the other side Nice, I'll stick around for the next set then. | ||
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:crazy: and an ench theres gonna be more naga ilusions for ehome than there wil be for np | ||
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dk player letting courier die like that ench player mistiming stun after disruption .. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:15 FacelessScandinavian wrote: sometimes it's hard to tell if you're watching top tier dota or a random low level pub game dk player letting courier die like that ench player mistiming stun after disruption .. Envy failing to arrow kill a creep. | ||
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naga's radiance is still a long way off | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:22 BurningSera wrote: this draft is so EE,is like this 2014 again if they picked SVG ET they basically would just have picked comfort heroes on every player | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:26 Papercappu wrote: i think even if it goes late game NP have a better chance to win because they have better highground NP have better high ground than SD-Luna-Ench against Naga? | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:28 lolfail9001 wrote: NP have better high ground than SD-Luna-Ench against Naga? yeah because the NP ults are nuts | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:28 lolfail9001 wrote: NP have better high ground than SD-Luna-Ench against Naga? I'm pretty sure he means highground defense. I don't care what lineup you have, you aren't pushing highcground into NP's lineup without like 3 people down. | ||
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Well, if they will blow all 5 like that they are not so nuts. | ||
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ehome could go high ground on respawn if naga can't get the lanes out | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:30 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, if they will blow all 5 like that they are not so nuts. fatal bonds say YOLO | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:30 Sn0_Man wrote: oh that might have been too many NP ults ehome could go high ground on respawn if naga can't get the lanes out U WERE FUCKING SAYING? DO U EVEN FUCKING JACKY MAO | ||
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still think NP will lose this as a typical EE game | ||
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I was waiting for EHOME to get Warlocked. They got. | ||
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DK's going to be hitting like a wet noodle for the rest of the game | ||
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Edit: I don't recognise EE at all this game. But I guess it's too soon for EEchoke(tm) yet. | ||
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must've been a good hero at TI :thinking: | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:32 babysimba wrote: EE-sama defeats deathball again just like in TI4 and no bone7 kek | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:34 RavemasterZ wrote: pls no throw envySama =( you know just as well that it will come, the question is only when will it strike | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:35 Comeh wrote: I mean NP can still throw this With Warlock? They cannot. EHOME get rekt by Warlock every time. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:35 ShiaoPi wrote: you know just as well that it will come, the question is only when will it strike Live by EE, Die by EE | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:36 Kirsed wrote: Has NP ever lost to EHOME? nope hence why I was so confused why people kept saying it was a 50/50 matchup | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:35 Comeh wrote: I mean NP can still throw this This game was unthrowable because Luna, SD, and DS were going to take all the scraps from the map while DK would be stuck at 8k net worth in perpetuity. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:37 RiZu wrote: How many times had EHOME lost to NP mirana + warlock, it kind of funny Way too many times. I mean, the ability to EHOME to get all heroes bonded up and then eat a double starstorm is uncanny. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:37 bagels21 wrote: nope hence why I was so confused why people kept saying it was a 50/50 matchup OK that's what I thought. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:39 Zea! wrote: chinese dota already back to the dumpster? We have LGD and Newbee to carry us back out of it. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:36 ShiaoPi wrote: EHOME is on full tilt Yeah, they kind of drafted themselves into a corner though. They definitely should have tried to take this game extremely late, but I seems like they incorrectly though that they could snowball with an aegis. Now they can try to take it late but it won't matter because DK's going to be worthless for the rest of the game. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:40 dutchfriese wrote: Yeah, they kind of drafted themselves into a corner though. They definitely should have tried to take this game extremely late, but I seems like they incorrectly though that they could snowball with an aegis. Now they can try to take it late but it won't matter because DK's going to be worthless for the rest of the game. They could snowball with an aegis. But it swung the wrong way. Also, just in case: Warlock is going to outfarm Luna soon, it's not just DK. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:40 dutchfriese wrote: Yeah, they kind of drafted themselves into a corner though. They definitely should have tried to take this game extremely late, but I seems like they incorrectly though that they could snowball with an aegis. Now they can try to take it late but it won't matter because DK's going to be worthless for the rest of the game. they were baited into Luna/SD NP got literally all their favorite heroes in exchange for that combo | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:39 lolfail9001 wrote: We have LGD and Newbee to carry us back out of it. IG and LFY also got neutered before the event even started. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:43 dutchfriese wrote: IG and LFY also got neutered before the event even started. IG.V looked fucking good against VP with 2 standins too. Wings just dropped the ball but they were against EG | ||
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Sn0_Man
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not that it's going to change much | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:45 ShiaoPi wrote: chinese doto is fine. Newbee and LGD are looking really strong and ig.V put up one hell of a fight against vp while playing with standins yeah, honestly I think NB might be the only team VP should be worried about anymore | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:45 lolfail9001 wrote: How the fuck do you fuck up naga + aghs disruptor? you actually have time to use bkb coming out of song before disrupter ult hits you | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:44 Achaian wrote: envy redeeming his name here. A lot of people, myself included, didn't think EE had it in him to be a tier 1 player. Envy is changing minds and making games the epitome of EE was Shanghai major never forget rapier slark | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:46 Comeh wrote: you actually have time to use bkb coming out of song before disrupter ult hits you Apparently you do not. | ||
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Well played NP! | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:48 FacelessScandinavian wrote: why didnt they gg out when they lost bot rax - surely they are not stupid enough to not understand the game was over at that point Elimination match, teams stay in a bit longer | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:48 FacelessScandinavian wrote: why didnt they gg out when they lost bot rax - surely they are not stupid enough to not understand the game was over at that point also never underestimate NP's ability to throw or you will be baffled | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:50 ShiaoPi wrote: also never underestimate NP's ability to throw or you will be baffled From what I remembered, not even clown9 threw a single game with a Naga lead | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:41 lolfail9001 wrote: They could snowball with an aegis. But it swung the wrong way. Also, just in case: Warlock is going to outfarm Luna soon, it's not just DK. Well DK just wasn't going to get any farm after they lost map control. SD and DS can farm with shell/illusions, and Luna gets whatever scraps are left over. But yeah that's actually a decent point that Luna's farm was going to suffer too. I suppose Ehome's strategy was actually going okay, not great, but they definitely had a chance, and if they get that aegis their pushing racks. | ||
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People need to stop making them NA jokes. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:51 FiWiFaKi wrote: 3/4 NA teams made it through... NA region is legit best region. People need to stop making them NA jokes. reminder that col is a NA team On December 09 2016 05:51 babysimba wrote: From what I remembered, not even clown9 threw a single game with a Naga lead That might be the case, but they still seem exceedingly more prone to throws than other teams | ||
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coL is a good team, I don't understand? They did as well as Wings did. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:51 FiWiFaKi wrote: 3/4 NA teams made it through... NA region is legit best region. People need to stop making them NA jokes. — Living in the US, do you feel part of an NA community? — Not really. Best NA joke: the best NA team at TI6 is european. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:53 lolfail9001 wrote: Best NA joke: the best NA team at TI6 is european. EG isn't EU. | ||
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And DC is not NA, by your own admission. | ||
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Doesn't matter that much where they were all born. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:56 lolnoty wrote: NA > CIS > China > SEA > South Africa > EU Surprised to not see Greenland in there, but I can agree with that, SEA last though. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:57 FiWiFaKi wrote: Maybe we shouldn't focus on the technicalities. The organization is NA, the team house is in NA, they play in NA qualifiers, they speak English on the team as US or Canadian teams do... They scrim on NA, pub on NA. Doesn't matter that much where they were all born. The problem is they treated Team Tinker as an EU team. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:57 FiWiFaKi wrote: Maybe we shouldn't focus on the technicalities. The organization is NA, the team house is in NA, they play in NA qualifiers, they speak English on the team as US or Canadian teams do... They scrim on NA, pub on NA. Doesn't matter that much where they were all born. Boy, stop stretching it. You have yourself said that the best NA team at TI6 was EG. That makes DC a EU team. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:58 Shergal wrote: its weird that ehome keep bending over to warlocks because they kinda invented warlock The monster they created turned on them. How poetic. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:00 lolfail9001 wrote: Boy, stop stretching it. You have yourself said that the best NA team at TI6 was EG. That makes DC a EU team. Wanna put a 1 week ban on who gets further? (no contest if they get same position) | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:03 Sn0_Man wrote: how about u both get banned if it's a tie? That's too big of a house edge I think. lolfail9001 is probably trying to walk out of it though. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:02 FiWiFaKi wrote: Wanna put a 1 week ban on who gets further? (no contest if they get same position) I'll repeat: TI6. I understand, it's difficult, but try to read. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:01 CosmicSpiral wrote: hold on, pretty sure it was my MVP boys who started doing it and pulling minor upsets the first time they entered premier tournaments?The monster they created turned on them. How poetic. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:58 babysimba wrote: The problem is they treated Team Tinker as an EU team. Difference is basically timing and team formation. DC picked up multiple EU players in the week they got kicked from top teams (a couple of days before the roster deadline), and several tournaments/one major before TI, and had an NA team house that everyone went to from the start, and continue to use ~1 year later. TT was EU like a month or 2 before TI5 invites, traded several EU players for (arguably) worse NA counterparts and finally just moved everyone to NA for a month before qualifiers. Then promptly disbanded as a team and org immediately after failing. So basically TT is one of many EU teams that tried to jump on easier qualifiers, then left/disbanded after failing. DC was an NA team that jumped on better players that's still based in NA for whatever reason even after success. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:00 lolfail9001 wrote: Boy, stop stretching it. You have yourself said that the best NA team at TI6 was EG. That makes DC a EU team. Or he's arguing that EG was still the best NA team despite losing to DC? And calling people boy is so condescending, especially for such a petty argument. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:07 BigO wrote: Spartan is like a greek Travolta! go greece lightning | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:11 Jaaaaasper wrote: wow a team drafted to counter SD luna and crushed it. Maybe its not cancer and wings just played liek shit against it huh? nah SD is still cancer to me. i saw SD solo killed a jugg with his own illusions once | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:16 Kirsed wrote: The NP AF grudge match in ro4. I want this to happen now | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:11 Jaaaaasper wrote: wow a team drafted to counter SD luna and crushed it. Maybe its not cancer and wings just played liek shit against it huh? Was EG-Wings the game that triggered the bitching about SD-Luna? Not the OG one? Because the EG game looked already super lost before the combo took effect. | ||
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if the idea is to accurately reflect what region produces better teams/players, then DC can't be NA if the idea is to count numbers on who "has more titles" then sure do whatever you want, but if the same 5 players switched orgs to fnatic or whatever would they cease being NA? teams aren't fluid like that | ||
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For someone who only tuned in today: What's the grudge? | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:08 Diavlo wrote: Or he's arguing that EG was still the best NA team despite losing to DC? And calling people boy is so condescending, especially for such a petty argument. That would be a big stretch to argue that DC were the worse team clinching that series. As for "boy", when people bring up people using English as an argument to consider them an NA team, that warrants nothing but condescension. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:18 Mafe wrote: For someone who only tuned in today: What's the grudge? Maybe Next Time seems to hate ''cringy'' weebs | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:17 Diavlo wrote: Was EG-Wings the game that triggered the bitching about SD-Luna? Not the OG one? Because the EG game looked already super lost before the combo took effect. It was the EG one because wings/china fan boys refused to except that EG played better and wings drafted awfully to counter sd/luna, so they blamed the hero combo to take credit away from eg and blame away from wings. | ||
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the dream | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:20 Jaaaaasper wrote: It was the EG one because wings/china fan boys refused to except that EG played better and wings drafted awfully to counter sd/luna, so they blamed the hero combo to take credit away from eg and blame away from wings. Except that i can argue all day that NP drafted awfully to counter sd luna as well, but since EHOME forget how to play dota when they play Warlock, it did not matter. As for credit... EG managed to lose a fight in that second game, they were basically 3k mmr scrubs + Show Spoiler + That's going to be fun | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:20 Jaaaaasper wrote: It was the EG one because wings/china fan boys refused to except that EG played better and wings drafted awfully to counter sd/luna, so they blamed the hero combo to take credit away from eg and blame away from wings. I dunno, I'm a pretty big EG fangay and I think SD/luna or illusion spam in general is too stronk. Not to say that wings played well, they certainly could have played better | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:23 Achaian wrote: I dunno, I'm a pretty big EG fangay and I think SD/luna or illusion spam in general is too stronk. Not to say that wings played well, they certainly could have played better Ohh yeah its really strong, the problem is when you blame only the strong gimmick for the loss, not the poor drafting or good play from the team that picked it. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:23 Papercappu wrote: you know its kinda dumb how they put LGD vs LGD.FY last. people are just going to leave after this game It's 22:30 CET (iirc greece is CET+1 so 23:30 in greece), it would be a bit shitty if AF played in the middle of the night in greece :/ | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:23 Achaian wrote: I dunno, I'm a pretty big EG fangay and I think SD/luna or illusion spam in general is too stronk. Not to say that wings played well, they certainly could have played better I would agree and EG as a team has never shone away from picking obnoxious stuff in the past but that game looked over in the first 15 minutes because of SD+Lesh, not SD Luna. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:25 Jaaaaasper wrote: NP picked mirana naga into sd/luna, where as wings picked pure single target. How is that not a much better set up to deal with illusion spam? And yes eg lost a whole team fight, they're totally awful and they literally only won because sd/luna is unbeatable, good thing they picked that in game one as well. It is better than what Wings had. Hardly good enough when proper execution can and does lead to having no towers at 14 minutes. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:27 babysimba wrote: You have to draft a spellcaster based lineup to counter SD. Don't tell me SD is not OP when a mere support hero can force a team to draft a specific system. SD is strong, but if you don't ban against it, and don't pick to counter it, that still poor play. I'm not saying the hero isn't strong, I'm saying blaming it for Wings loss after wings gave it away and then picked 0 aoe against it was their fault, but blaming the op hero for the loss takes credit from the team who won ad blame from the team who did nothing to prepare against it. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:18 Mafe wrote: For someone who only tuned in today: What's the grudge? there is no grudge lol. NP and AF are big friends. Go look at their twitter accounts. They were cheering for each other during major quals and have scrimmed together. EE has been scrimming with the Greeks since he was on C9. Also Weebs stick together | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:29 lolfail9001 wrote: It is better than what Wings had. Hardly good enough when proper execution can and does lead to having no towers at 14 minutes. So you're saying EG exucuted it well, but ehome didn't? Cool I'm not saying it isn't strong, I'm saying blaming just the strong heroes with out giving credit for execution or blame for poor exuction is dumb. SD is strong, SD Luna is stronger, but dota has always had cancerous stuff, its not fair to give it all credit for wins or losses. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:30 Jaaaaasper wrote: SD is strong, but if you don't ban against it, and don't pick to counter it, that still poor play. I'm not saying the hero isn't strong, I'm saying blaming it for Wings loss after wings gave it away and then picked 0 aoe against it was their fault, but blaming the op hero for the loss takes credit from the team who won ad blame from the team who did nothing to prepare against it. You are just assuming Wings didn't try to counter it. Wings clearly had a gameplan with their mobile fighting heroes that can dive squishy supports. But SD is such a ridiculous hero that can rape both early and late game. Usually a balanced hero has strengths and weakness during different timings of the game. But when a hero is strong enough to force you to draft a certain way or there's zero way to defeat it by exploiting certain timings, it is clearly OP. Basically disco pony at TI5 comes to mind. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:20 Sbrubbles wrote: Wouldn't be a major tournament without the "DC is NA or EU" bullshit It's hilarious how fucking tribal people get about it. DC is a good team that I support, idgaf if they're NA or EU. Why do people care about such petty bullshit? | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:44 stuchiu wrote: Madara sounds anime. Since EE won, Madara will too. he's literally the most powerful villain in naruto lul | ||
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...even though newbee will probably win | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:44 bagels21 wrote: he's literally the most powerful villain in naruto lul https://twitter.com/NPDotA/status/792739940727750657 no I meant the part of being sick and not telling his teammates for the extra 1% chance to win. | ||
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EDIT: Nevermind. | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:55 stuchiu wrote: no I meant the part of being sick and not telling his teammates for the extra 1% chance to win. ah lol, yeah I would agree then | ||
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On December 09 2016 07:02 babysimba wrote: Newbee just rape the entire draft. It's going to be another deathball win again AF just really like picking their own heroes. They kinda dgaf on "counterpicking" | ||
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On December 09 2016 07:08 dutchfriese wrote: 2:30 tower? The fucK? This Newbee train is chugging at full speed. No braking for Bounty Hunters or Dark Seers caught underneath! | ||
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On December 09 2016 06:29 lolfail9001 wrote: It is better than what Wings had. Hardly good enough when proper execution can and does lead to having no towers at 14 minutes. why are you still responding to jasper, all he does is shitpost and flamebait he's not even funny like our lord and savior azarkon | ||
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On December 09 2016 07:21 TomatoBisque wrote: why are you still responding to jasper, all he does is shitpost and flamebait he's not even funny like our lord and savior azarkon lol. It's funny how the history of LD has a couple of dudes who basically just flamebait (i.e. Mensol, the random fnatic guy, there was an LGD/china fan - forgot his name) | ||
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FiWiFaKi
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On December 09 2016 07:17 babysimba wrote: There's nothing to stop the deathball. I can already foresee TA getting astraled every single time fights occur. I will probably feel like shit as the TA player I actually like the AF line up going into the lategame. Astral only does so much, because you have two really high DPS'ers, and with vacuum and wall, you have a really good tactic to help TA while she's in Astral. | ||
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On December 09 2016 07:28 Nevuk wrote: I don't understand how AF aren't further behind with their start Newbee aren't farming, they're always together. | ||
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Fun stuff! | ||
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On December 09 2016 07:37 Kipsate wrote: Y do they go high ground when Newbee has an aegis. desperate plays. they probably think they're far behind | ||
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Ad Finem could still take a game here. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 09 2016 07:39 VGhost wrote: Ad Finem just had no damage the whole game and didn't find any way to compensate in other aspects. A team with TA had no damage the whole game  ?If you ask me it's more about them lacking in control to combo with dark seer. Oh, and omni. | ||
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Omni + OD is just awful to play against. | ||
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VGhost
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On December 09 2016 07:40 lolfail9001 wrote: A team with TA had no damage the whole game ?If you ask me it's more about them lacking in control to combo with dark seer. Oh, and omni. They certainly never used it effectively. How many should-have-been kills got away free? TBH I don't watch enough to know why things happen, I just see results and guess. | ||
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On December 09 2016 07:40 babysimba wrote: If MVP can't even make BH work these days, I think no other teams can make it work. Every team is just going 5 man lineup, having a BH is like a burden in teamfight besides the role of giving extra movespeed Yeah, support bh right now is really sad. Unless you can get multiple kills in the laning stage and early level 6 there's pretty much nothing you can offer. | ||
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It never felt like there were any should have been kills in this game at all. | ||
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On December 09 2016 07:47 lolfail9001 wrote: > How many should-have-been kills got away free? It never felt like there were any should have been kills in this game at all. cough rubick cough | ||
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On December 09 2016 07:47 FiWiFaKi wrote: I just want to see a Medusa + Spectre + Batrider tricore draft. Make it happen AF. That was basically the disastrous draft EG pulled in G3 of their 2nd series with CoL lol | ||
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On December 09 2016 07:54 BrownBear wrote: Sccc is one sexy motherfucker, holy shit. I don't see AF coming back into this, Newbee just looks on a different level. NB is proof that stacking high mmrs with 1 low mmr player (faith) can do it lol | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:04 kidswift wrote: haven't watched/played dota in like 2 years, watching this makes me want to buy a desktop to play again, dota is fucking dope. likin the production of the event too, i really dislike ~ESPORTS~ but this is pretty nice welcome back :D | ||
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ROFL 3rd Courier snipe | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:14 Zea! wrote: MNT snipes >> | ||
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I repeat. There is a free-farming Morphling and Newbee doesn't have great lockdown. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:18 CosmicSpiral wrote: I see chicken, I kill chicken. cs_italy, I dont know why it makes me think about this | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:19 Taf the Ghost wrote: AF has forced Newbee to defend Top so much that there is a Free-farming Morphling. I repeat. There is a free-farming Morphling and Newbee doesn't have great lockdown. There's a free farming Morphling, but AF is running a single carry lineup ... there's no damage other than the Morphling | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:21 BurningSera wrote: thats some fat slark >_> Eeh, not particularly. This morphing is going to eat him up. His second item will be up in like 3 minutes at this rate. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:22 FiWiFaKi wrote: Eeh, not particularly. This morphing is going to eat him up. His second item will be up in like 3 minutes at this rate. thats before i saw morph is also fat but my point has nothing to do with whatever morph get anyway lol | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:20 wims80 wrote: There's a free farming Morphling, but AF is running a single carry lineup ... there's no damage other than the Morphling puck's mobility will be tough for NB to play around | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:25 FiWiFaKi wrote: At this rate, a 6 slotted morphing will be enough. Morphing outcarries Slark no problem, and DK drops off much like Puck does. In my experience DK drops off more than puck since puck is hard to kite. (I like to hate on DK.) | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:25 CosmicSpiral wrote: The Madara meme spam is the funniest thing I've read in some time. the weebs shall inherit the earth | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:26 Yurie wrote: In my experience DK drops off more than puck since puck is hard to kite. (I like to hate on DK.) I find DK scales decently as long as you focus on AS and HP over initiation. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:28 wims80 wrote: Puck is really really bad, DK will be more useful IMO. Besides, AF has a Batrider which overlaps quite a bit with Puck. AF's draft just doesn't make that much sense IMO. We'll see. Perhaps I will be proven wrong and Morphling just wrecks the game in the next 10-15 minutes eh the issue is that if Puck lives like that, he can still come back and contribute a lot of damage/silence | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:31 Papercappu wrote: how did that oracle died morph popped oracle to start the fight | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:39 FiWiFaKi wrote: Man, I love games with 1 super carry. Multicore Dota is boooring. agree | ||
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Odd how every Valve event it's just so different. | ||
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the bear jew
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On December 09 2016 08:28 CosmicSpiral wrote: I find DK scales decently as long as you focus on AS and HP over initiation. Think DK should start going midas like invoker goes? Rush early midas, scale, youa re good with items. I saw a Dk earlier vs an Invoker, both had even networth early, invoker went midas, invoker gets over double networth. DK still pretty tanky with just his dragon's blood and can fight without too much early as long as you have team backup. He just needs to keep up with items. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On December 09 2016 08:42 the bear jew wrote: Think DK should start going midas like invoker goes? Rush early midas, scale, youa re good with items. I saw a Dk earlier vs an Invoker, both had even networth early, invoker went midas, invoker gets over double networth. DK still pretty tanky with just his dragon's blood and can fight without too much early as long as you have team backup. He just needs to keep up with items. Pretty much. DK is "okay", but he really needs items in the Late Game. Then he's practically unkillable. This game was completely about the Oracle living. That's the one downside with 4 Protect 1 lineups, as it means most of the game is how gets the jump properly. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:42 the bear jew wrote: Think DK should start going midas like invoker goes? Rush early midas, scale, youa re good with items. I saw a Dk earlier vs an Invoker, both had even networth early, invoker went midas, invoker gets over double networth. DK still pretty tanky with just his dragon's blood and can fight without too much early as long as you have team backup. He just needs to keep up with items. Except DK actually wants to do stuff entering midgame, midas does not help at all in that regard, also XP is not so great on him. | ||
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DK just needs a lot of mid tier items, a Midas slows you way too much, since he needs to be pushing throughout all of the early-mid game. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:45 FiWiFaKi wrote: DK Midas is an awful item. DK just needs a lot of mid tier items, a Midas slows you way too much, since he needs to be pushing throughout all of the early-mid game. I agree. The early-mid game is where the DK shines, if you go midas you are basically sacrificing the early-mid game for a mediocre late game | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:41 FiWiFaKi wrote: Will the only chinese team making it into Ro8 be the one who wasn't supposed even supposed to be here? Odd how every Valve event it's just so different. hats off to AF for playing well, but Newbee can still easily take game 3. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On December 09 2016 08:42 the bear jew wrote: Think DK should start going midas like invoker goes? Rush early midas, scale, youa re good with items. I saw a Dk earlier vs an Invoker, both had even networth early, invoker went midas, invoker gets over double networth. DK still pretty tanky with just his dragon's blood and can fight without too much early as long as you have team backup. He just needs to keep up with items. DK doesn't want Midas. His issue isn't getting levels quickly, it's maintaining farm rate so he can get the appropriate items. In most games you prioritize timings over farm, so Armlet -> Blink/SB/BKB becomes standard. With that setup you can end the game with a coordinated team but if you don't, you will never be able to replace those items quickly enough to be relevant. If my lineup doesn't need to end the game by say 35 minutes and we have other heroes for initiation, I prefer Armlet -> Maelstrom -> AC -> BKB/Mjolnir -> Satanic/Heart. Even then I'm not being the primary damage dealer, just an unkillable pain in the ass that frontlines for the safelaner. | ||
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SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void, Morphling A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Lone Druid C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper D Tier: Meepo, BS Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
medusa's post50minute game is vastly overrated putting qop lina and brood above meepo is also super questionable meepo can actually still just end the game if you manage to teamwipe, that makes ihm better than all 3 of those already slardar's hardly ever a true 1 position regardless of how the earlygame was played so including him is questionable there also duno about juggs placement and a bunch of other heroes questionable list all around | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:45 FiWiFaKi wrote: DK Midas is an awful item. DK just needs a lot of mid tier items, a Midas slows you way too much, since he needs to be pushing throughout all of the early-mid game. And that is what the DK tried to do, failed and was unable to keep up and scale. Dk scales well with items, why not get an item to ensure you scale and keep up? Not necessarily midas, something to focus on farming him up. I know you are saying, he just needs a bunch of mid tier items to fight! Well he never got them, He ended with 3 mid tier items, armlet, bkb, blink, not a lot of damage, pure initiation and then....nothing. Sure if your push idea is working that's fine, but maybe we should start rethinking DK and his role. Focus on scaling DK, cause he scales well, really damn well with items. Instead of just making him early push tower bot, focus on scaling him more.. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote: If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries: SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper D Tier: Meepo, BS Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes. I can has Lone Druid? | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:54 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i remember when liquid`fata dk was a thing theyd prepare ancient stacks for him... medusa's post50minute game is vastly overrated putting qop lina and brood above meepo is also super questionable meepo can actually still just end the game if you manage to teamwipe, that makes ihm better than all 3 of those already Well, the old evaluation for scaling cores assumed 4 protect 1. The ability to win 1v5 isn't really that important anymore. | ||
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Vertical
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This will be shanghai 2.0 | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:57 CosmicSpiral wrote: Well, the old evaluation for scaling cores assumed 4 protect 1. The ability to win 1v5 isn't really that important anymore. failing to see direct relevance of your statement im just assuming the gamestate is the hero in question is around 25-30k networth at 50 minutes, the enemy carry hero is around there, and then the teams are about equal otehrwise too obv exceptions for heroes that naturally rice faster like alch tb naga am sven etc, they'll hit those networth values at 40 minutes or faster in a good game and win...? idk its weird to talk about the lategames of those heroes alone cuz whether or not theyve farmed well and had a decent game relates to whether or not its still even a game at 50 minutes | ||
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Vertical
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On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote: If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries: SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void, Morphling A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper D Tier: Meepo, BS Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes. What's the difference between LS and Naix? Also missing jah'rakal here He's the staple of 4p1 | ||
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I'd probably give him a B, he's always more underwhelming than I think he'd be come lategame. In games where you're able to split push effectively, I guess an A. Idk, on paper he seems a lot better than how games turn out with him. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:59 Vertical wrote: What's the difference between LS and Naix? Opps, I'm like did I not rate Naix yet, because I didn't see him there, so I wrote it, sorry. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:59 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'd probably give him a B, he's always more underwhelming than I think he'd be come lategame. In games where you're able to split push effectively, I guess an A. Idk, on paper he seems a lot better than how games turn out with him. he's terrible at 50 minutes, like 80% of team comps just start killing the bear too fast at that stage | ||
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Lone druid is an awful late game carry. It's a terrible argument that just because you have a 12 slotted hero means it'll ever be good. Even in a dream scenario where you actually get 12 items, you're still not doing impressive damage on either sylla or his bear. Bear doesn't have stat growth or survivability and Sylla even slotted with the most expensive items doesn't do enough damage. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:02 ShiaoPi wrote: I think I would favor Newbee here draftwise Well we're seeing Weaver being played the wrong way again so not looking good for Ad Finem. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:56 the bear jew wrote: And that is what the DK tried to do, failed and was unable to keep up and scale. Dk scales well with items, why not get an item to ensure you scale and keep up? Not necessarily midas, something to focus on farming him up. I know you are saying, he just needs a bunch of mid tier items to fight! Well he never got them, He ended with 3 mid tier items, armlet, bkb, blink, not a lot of damage, pure initiation and then....nothing. Sure if your push idea is working that's fine, but maybe we should start rethinking DK and his role. Focus on scaling DK, cause he scales well, really damn well with items. Instead of just making him early push tower bot, focus on scaling him more.. DK can't farm well, he scales well with gold but he just can't farm and is a strong fighter with midgame items. He's on par with other 6 slotted carries but he will be 6 slotted way later. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:58 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: failing to see direct relevance of your statement You said Medusa's post-50 minute game is overrated. I agree but it's overrated now. If we were still in the era of single core lineups, then she would still be one of the best. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:00 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: The only way to play him at that point is to get aghs and split push with the bear and dodge all fights. There was an OG game where this happened not too long ago, but I've never seen LD win a true lategame scenario aside from thathe's terrible at 50 minutes, like 80% of team comps just start killing the bear too fast at that stage | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:07 Aceace wrote: I hope we will see an aghs upgrade on weaver!!! Does anyone remember Power Rangers vs Alliance match at TI5? have you watched VP's games? | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:04 Kuroeeah wrote: Lone druid is an awful late game carry. It's a terrible argument that just because you have a 12 slotted hero means it'll ever be good. Even in a dream scenario where you actually get 12 items, you're still not doing impressive damage on either sylla or his bear. Bear doesn't have stat growth or survivability and Sylla even slotted with the most expensive items doesn't do enough damage. Yeah, in theory a LD with tons of utility items like: BoT, Guardian Greaves, Scythe, Heart, Crimson Guard/Vlads, AC... With a super farmed bear like: radiance, abyssal, mkb, bkb, phase, daedalus or something like that. But it never really works out in practice. And that's more like a 90 minute game. When you're playing offensive and pushing, bear is good, when you're playing defensive, it's very underwhelming. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:08 Nevuk wrote: The only way to play him at that point is to get aghs and split push with the bear and dodge all fights. There was an OG game where this happened not too long ago, but I've never seen LD win a true lategame scenario aside from that yea that game was the 5th game of elimination mode, arguably a game where the opponents had one of the 20% of comps that just cant deal with ld fully at any stage | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:04 Kuroeeah wrote: Lone druid is an awful late game carry. It's a terrible argument that just because you have a 12 slotted hero means it'll ever be good. Even in a dream scenario where you actually get 12 items, you're still not doing impressive damage on either sylla or his bear. Bear doesn't have stat growth or survivability and Sylla even slotted with the most expensive items doesn't do enough damage. Well that's why the bear pulverizes towers so fast. I agree he's more D tier alongside things like Nature's Prophet or core Pugna. Can't wait for Arc Warden in captain's mode. That hero is terrifying late game. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:12 CosmicSpiral wrote: Pugna is not worse than Huskar lategame LOL. he definitely is imo, unless you have a really high magic damage comp or the opponents dont have any cores that get beefy in terms of hp he just doestn do anything to cores with like over 2500 hp and he dies in 2 seconds huskar can still have an item build of like satanic + mkb + armlet + bkb + ac and its still scary | ||
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Huskar isn't that bad. a Bots + Armlet + Heart + Satanic + BKB Huskar can be very scary. (Halberd or AC last item) | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:18 pellejohnson wrote: RIP AF This is not close to decided quite yet. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:19 PhoenixVoid wrote: This is not close to decided quite yet. i think it is. this weaver and alchemist are having a dream game atm. | ||
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unless this alch decides he's actually one of my pub alchs and chain feeds 5 times for no reason | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:20 nojok wrote: Do you even get manta on luna when you're facing SD? It makes it so much easier for SD to get his favorite illusions. Necessary evil. Without Manta illusions you lose too much damage. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:07 nojok wrote: DK can't farm well, he scales well with gold but he just can't farm and is a strong fighter with midgame items. He's on par with other 6 slotted carries but he will be 6 slotted way later. DK can farm, the problem is that's not what people are focusing on with him, maybe we should reconsider how he is played. Like how we are now seeing support weaver, support slardar, or old support PA before it got nerfed. They were all played the same way one way, then people started to realize they could be played with a new different focus. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:23 DucK- wrote: Man should i stream this game on my mobile? On my way to work, but my mobile data's exploding soon. idk if its even good | ||
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Weaver is outfarming your cores 20 minutes in. Alchemist is having a free game. Your cores are being pressured. Your only win condition is a team fight. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:23 FiWiFaKi wrote: Mmm, Mirana buying an Agh's... I don't know if I like that. Really going to hurt their late game, which imo they should be going for. Aghs accelerates your farm so quickly that you should always get it. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:24 Thetwinmasters wrote: 21 minute blink bat nice strat nb its a support bat | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:23 FiWiFaKi wrote: Mmm, Mirana buying an Agh's... I don't know if I like that. Really going to hurt their late game, which imo they should be going for. smoothing out their power curve reduces the chance that nb randomly wins midgame fights and comes back during midgame i dont think theyre gonna be outgunned in the lategame, unless, as i said, alch inexplicably chain feeds | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:24 CosmicSpiral wrote: Aghs accelerates your farm so quickly that you should always get it. Well an Alch can have an Agh's for you at like 35 minutes this game, a Mirana will have her Agh's completed at probably the 30 minute mark. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:26 Neazbo wrote: I'm guessing the one word to sum up the current meta is STUNS? I thought it would be Shadow God | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:24 Papercappu wrote: the only threat here is the warlock golems tbh its a support bat I know that | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:25 FiWiFaKi wrote: Well an Alch can have an Agh's for you at like 35 minutes this game, a Mirana will have her Agh's completed at probably the 30 minute mark. she probably wasnt gonna be the first aghs anyway the stats buildup is nice too... | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:23 FiWiFaKi wrote: Mmm, Mirana buying an Agh's... I don't know if I like that. Really going to hurt their late game, which imo they should be going for. Nah, mirana has to go agha, alches takes a lot of farm, weaver a bit less and nyx is perma roaming so there is a bit of room to use this agha outside of teamfights. Besides it's still the best agha in the game, no reason to delay it this game. | ||
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he's not even jungling though. so its not that bad | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:25 FiWiFaKi wrote: Well an Alch can have an Agh's for you at like 35 minutes this game, a Mirana will have her Agh's completed at probably the 30 minute mark. If I were Alchemist, I wouldn't give her the first Aghs. I would prioritize Weaver and Nyx. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:29 CosmicSpiral wrote: If I were Alchemist, I wouldn't give her the first Aghs. I would prioritize Weaver and Nyx. When I said 35 minutes, I assumed 2nd Agh's. I would go Nyx > Mirana > 6th item > SD > Weaver. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:27 Papercappu wrote: he's not even jungling though. so its not that bad Whats the point of the pick then you have no impact for 20 minutes | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:28 PhoenixVoid wrote: This is actually a fun upset to watch. it sucks that all of these games are so one sided thou...all 3 were boring | ||
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Newbee being eliminated to Ad Fucking Finem, haha. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:29 FiWiFaKi wrote: When I said 35 minutes, I assumed 2nd Agh's. I would go Nyx > Mirana > 6th item > SD > Weaver. weaver's actually a much better aghs to have at that timing you can literally fullheal an alch and pull him out of lasso from like 2000 range away | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:32 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: weaver's actually a much better aghs to have at that timing you can literally fullheal an alch and pull him out of lasso from like 2000 range away Given they were about to push high ground, I fully agree. | ||
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I did not! What did i miss?? | ||
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they've been running 4 position weaver with drow he often buys his own aghs | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:35 TomatoBisque wrote: rip brackets soooo much | ||
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Now we get to watch you devour one of your own. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:32 stuchiu wrote: Madara's shadow bunshin technique too stronk insert twitch spam heh | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:35 yyfpulls wrote: Boring Major so far. Hope it picks up tomorrow One more series | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:36 Thetwinmasters wrote: SHANGHAI 2.0 PROTECT THE TOTORO | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:36 FiWiFaKi wrote: That's what you get for sharing your replays of games against western teams with each other >_< Now we get to watch you devour one of your own. Whoa, what exactly happened? :O Is there a forum thread for this? | ||
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This went a lot better for the west than what was expected when the invites came out. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:35 Kuroeeah wrote: you guys remember the old PL + KOTL days when PL threw a lance at someone and it would spawn a million illusions? That was great, my favorite meta for sure. Cancer Lancer best Lancer | ||
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Who the hell would want to watch these no name noobs? We are at the point where sea is a better region than china. | ||
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Incoming NP win? | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:37 Aerisky wrote: Whoa, what exactly happened? :O Is there a forum thread for this? Lil interview on TL, Bluemoon asked about it... That's where I heard about it. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:37 FiWiFaKi wrote: 3 NA 3 EU 1 CN 1 SEA teams in the Ro8 (let's not start the DC thing please). This went a lot better for the west than what was expected when the invites came out. 2NA 1 Macedonian 3EU 1CN 1SEA thank you very much. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:37 Aerisky wrote: Whoa, what exactly happened? :O Is there a forum thread for this? Check out the Lil interview http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26221502 | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:38 stuchiu wrote: 2NA 1 Macedonian 3EU 1CN 1SEA thank you very much. Apologies. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:38 Kuroeeah wrote: yeah i do agree with the overall consensus that this major thus far has been disappointing in game quality. VP games are fun to watch though We will see a lot more Alch Naga and SD in the next days. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:39 apes wrote: boring illusion spam and a single elimination major. what a way to close out one of the best patches ever. The optimal strategies always rise to the top, no matter how cancerous. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:38 bagels21 wrote: Check out the Lil interview http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26221502 On December 09 2016 09:38 FiWiFaKi wrote: Lil interview on TL, Bluemoon asked about it... That's where I heard about it. Ah yeah, just read it again and saw it, thought it sounded familiar but wasn't sure. Wow that's pretty significant I guess. Also lol there seems to be pretty polarized reactions to this major so far XD (really great vs boring) | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:42 Aerisky wrote: Ah yeah, just read it again and saw it, thought it sounded familiar but wasn't sure. Wow that's pretty significant I guess. Also lol there seems to be pretty polarized reactions to this major so far XD (really great vs boring) I've been enjoying it. Maybe because I have some western bias, so I like when all the boys are doing well. TI was depressing for me, because cheering for Secret and all. Really not much I can complain about. I haven't been watching as much Dota as some people here recently, so maybe that's why the patch isn't stale for me, while it seems to be a little bit for others. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:41 CosmicSpiral wrote: More like, with the old, shall we weed out the weak. The best strategies is for later.The optimal strategies always rise to the top, no matter how cancerous. | ||
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Ad Finem is just so goddamn likeable | ||
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Now we get to see which LGD squad gets to be the last hope. But hey, even if they weren't using subs, didn't everyone here say LFY were going to lose anyway because Yao only loses games? | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:41 Kuroeeah wrote: again i don't think this meta is bad. the summit gave pretty cool games but meh The allure of illusions to minimize risk when sieging towers is just too strong. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:42 Achaian wrote: Spirit from Ad Finem, sad days for the middle kingdom Invited teams failed the following shuffle or are affected by the TI curse, the two teams which actually qualified have visa issues and the one team which almost qualified has yet to lose a map. It could have looked a lot different without the visa issues. | ||
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I think we're in a pretty good place all things considered. Honestly, the change that I would be most eager to make is giving rax twice as much effective health, and buffing towers by like 10% in damage and hp. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:44 ShiaoPi wrote: https://twitter.com/pglesports/status/807021854863060992 Ad Finem is just so goddamn likeable I like EG, but AF feels like the opposite of EG lol | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:43 Papercappu wrote: the games quality are pretty shit but im loving the upsets Same here. Happy to see NP not choke and AF make it through. Otherwise it feels like any other tournament so far. I enjoyed The Summit more but we still have a ton of great matches so I'm holding out hope (for NP). | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:46 Papercappu wrote: single elimination ended up being pretty cool tbh. i still dont want it for TI though I agree. My advice from improvement would be making two groups of 8, doing a bo1 or bo2 round robin, and 1st in group plays 8th in other group, etc. Then do the single elim bracket. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:44 Dracolich70 wrote: More like, with the old, shall we weed out the weak. The best strategies is for later. maybe single eli is the real catalyst here. less volatile play = spam illusions lol | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:46 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think we're in a pretty good place all things considered. Honestly, the change that I would be most eager to make is giving rax twice as much effective health, and buffing towers by like 10% in damage and hp. ...so basically you want more illusions for tower sieging. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:49 CosmicSpiral wrote: ...so basically you want more illusions for tower sieging. I just think on team fight at 20-25 minutes often decides the game, and I would prefer it to require a little bit more to break high ground. Nowadays when you look at something like that Alch pushing those rax, it just breaks base too quickly. Like you can almost just BKB and kill everything before the enemy can ward you off. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:49 dada0036 wrote: How you deal with it, determines the outcome of this catalyst. More versatile strategies is for better opponents.maybe single eli is the real catalyst here. less volatile play = spam illusions lol | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:46 apes wrote: everyone getting caught up in their favorites winning or losing should take a step back. these games are fuckin terrible. I humbly disagree, I think the games have been fine. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:46 FiWiFaKi wrote: We all have different preferences. I really like when games go later, and games that or single or dual core... And we've been getting more of that than in the last year (before that there was a lot of 4 protect 1 though). I think we're in a pretty good place all things considered. Honestly, the change that I would be most eager to make is giving rax twice as much effective health, and buffing towers by like 10% in damage and hp. Yeah people are quick to forget truely terrible heroes, ok SD allows to siege safely and it denies what is supposed to be THE fight of the game : the highground defense. But he's far from being as annoying as many heroes were when they were top pick imo. I'm dreaming of a dota without radiance on illusions though. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:51 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i just want naga vs am every game 30 games in a row What about naga vs alch? | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:51 FiWiFaKi wrote: I just think on team fight at 20-25 minutes often decides the game, and I would prefer it to require a little bit more to break high ground. Nowadays when you look at something like that Alch pushing those rax, it just breaks base too quickly. Like you can almost just BKB and kill everything before the enemy can ward you off. Things that are strong at pushing, push too fast, while things that are slow at pushing have no chance. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:54 Skynx wrote: alch/naga meta > cancerpony/gyro meta > hohohaha/troll warlord meta i guess... hohohaha actually made me quit Dota for a while. Too cancerous | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:53 Wintex wrote: Things that are strong at pushing, push too fast, while things that are slow at pushing have no chance. I still prefer this than the 20 minutes farming phase while containing the opponents in their base which was the rule before pushing highground. At least a team can now end when they have a lead. I'm not saying it's perfect but highground was just too tough to take for too long. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:51 FiWiFaKi wrote: I just think on team fight at 20-25 minutes often decides the game, and I would prefer it to require a little bit more to break high ground. Nowadays when you look at something like that Alch pushing those rax, it just breaks base too quickly. Like you can almost just BKB and kill everything before the enemy can ward you off. The harder high ground becomes to break, the more often teams will resort to safe ways of doing it. There's simply too much risk in slow-sieging with heroes when comeback gold is in play. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:52 nojok wrote: Yeah people are quick to forget truely terrible heroes, ok SD allows to siege safely and it denies what is supposed to be THE fight of the game : the highground defense. But he's far from being as annoying as many heroes were when they were top pick imo. I'm dreaming of a dota without radiance on illusions though. I think of Radiance Illusions as a fun dynamic, I enjoy the imbalanced vs imbalanced hero kind of stuff rather than making heroes more mild. I think it's maybe more of radiance being too strong, I think removing the miss chance, or lowering burn damage to 50 or whatever would be more than overkill and we wouldn't even see illusion heroes anymore. So maybe a slight nerf to radiance would be good. And yeah, I agree, SD is definitely one of the more enjoyable heroes. The less played heroes are always more fun to watch than the played ones, only so much you can do. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:56 CosmicSpiral wrote: The harder high ground becomes to break, the more often teams will resort to safe ways of doing it. There's simply too much risk in slow-sieging with heroes when comeback gold is in play. My opinion is that the later into the game you go, the more randomness you introduce. Like if you're behind, you'll get wrecked in mid game, but come late game, with good initiation you have a way larger chance. That should be the big incentive to try and finish the game, so I don't really think stronger buildings would make people do it safely... The teams can resort to pushing high ground safely even now. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:59 Emnjay808 wrote: Seems like China cant handle all the great visa system in the air. GG guys. FTFY | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:00 BurningSera wrote: wtf, who wrote that script, 28 chinese players down to 5, what???? what, i dont even xD they probably took the stat off liquipedia and misquoted it | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:01 wims80 wrote: The panels have been pretty bad this major, they can't just get talent like Pyrion and Sheever and put them on an expert analysis panel. They don't have expert level insight They're called "experts" but they are really audience surrogates. | ||
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Sorry that these things upset me. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:00 BurningSera wrote: wtf, who wrote that script, 28 chinese players down to 5, what???? what, i dont even xD kpii and ddc don't live in China proper. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:01 wims80 wrote: The panels have been pretty bad this major, they can't just get talent like Pyrion and Sheever and put them on an expert analysis panel. They don't have expert level insight dota has way too much shitty "talent" for a game of its size/age. idk how most of these people are still getting work. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:01 juff wrote: they probably took the stat off liquipedia and misquoted it i mean, who the hell says anything along that line in 2016, imagine 'we have 28 americans down to 5 americans' in any sport game event for example, wtf lol. and not only that, the game is LGD vs LGD, so literally 10 chinese players are in front of us right now lolol | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:01 wims80 wrote: The panels have been pretty bad this major, they can't just get talent like Pyrion and Sheever and put them on an expert analysis panel. They don't have expert level insight Fogged is decent but he's fairly quiet. Winter being there has been the best thing about the panels | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:04 BurningSera wrote: i mean, who the hell says anything along that line in 2016, imagine 'we have 28 americans down to 5 americans' in any sport game event for example, wtf lol. and not only that, the game is LGD vs LGD, so literally 10 chinese players are in front of us right now lolol I think the idea was there will be 5 players in the Ro8. | ||
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On December 09 2016 09:51 the bear jew wrote: I humbly disagree, I think the games have been fine. Same, especially these last 2 series | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:04 Nevuk wrote: Fogged is decent but he's fairly quiet. Winter being there has been the best thing about the panels Winter always carries analyst desk and commentary. Just once I want him to have a good co-caster. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:05 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think the idea was there will be 5 players in the Ro8. why would he even say that out like that tho??? lol is mind blowing | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:04 BurningSera wrote: i mean, who the hell says anything along that line in 2016, imagine 'we have 28 americans down to 5 americans' in any sport game event for example, wtf lol. and not only that, the game is LGD vs LGD, so literally 10 chinese players are in front of us right now lolol I don't understand what you're trying to say. And we have 10 Chinese players right now, but we'll be guaranteed only five in about two hours or less. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:01 wims80 wrote: The panels have been pretty bad this major, they can't just get talent like Pyrion and Sheever and put them on an expert analysis panel. They don't have expert level insight You need to fill time with talking too and most experts are not good enough at that. Not everyone has the same role | ||
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Nevuk
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Part of the reason the games are onesided is that they're based on group seedings : we're seeing the strongest team vs the weakest team in most of these matchups. (It would be even worse in this first set of matches if they used round robin for more accurate group seeding, I think). | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:09 Nevuk wrote: Part of the reason the games are onesided is that they're based on group seedings : we're seeing the strongest team vs the weakest team in most of these matchups. (It would be even worse in this first set of matches if they used round robin for more accurate group seeding, I think). The weaker team won 4 of the 7 series though (according to seedings) | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:09 FiWiFaKi wrote: The weaker team won 4 of the 7 series though (according to seedings) That's surprising. I blame col. and eg. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Man I'm not Slacks fan but he made like 3000 segments and interviews for this major that's pretty impressive I feel like they should have split it up a bit, would be nice to see some variety. He is doing a fine job though. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:04 BurningSera wrote: i mean, who the hell says anything along that line in 2016, imagine 'we have 28 americans down to 5 americans' in any sport game event for example, wtf lol. and not only that, the game is LGD vs LGD, so literally 10 chinese players are in front of us right now lolol I agree that it can come across as a touch racist, but if it was a starcraft tournament I don't think a similar statistic on korean participation would be out of place. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:07 M.S.Bismarck wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say. And we have 10 Chinese players right now, but we'll be guaranteed only five in about two hours or less. is just so weird the way they put it that way, because i was expecting the next game would be 2x LGD teams. And then he said we are down to 5 chinese players from 28, i was just like, wtf, did i miss the whole series i mean, either way, you just dont say anything like that in any sport event, like '20 russians down to 2 russians'? | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:07 FiWiFaKi wrote: Draskyl, Merlini, Synd, Capitalist, Winter... Only 5 people in the scene I can think of that know a lot of stuff, and are charismatic enough to make very good analysts. Need to find some new talent somewhere. Fogged's a good caster. Give him some time. | ||
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Nevuk
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On December 09 2016 10:04 BurningSera wrote: i mean, who the hell says anything along that line in 2016, imagine 'we have 28 americans down to 5 americans' in any sport game event for example, wtf lol. and not only that, the game is LGD vs LGD, so literally 10 chinese players are in front of us right now lolol I hear stats like that in olympic coverage all the time (especially if one nation had an overwhelming numbers advantage or something). It's not that rare in sports, really. edit : At least in the US | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:12 BurningSera wrote: is just so weird the way they put it that way, because i was expecting the next game would be 2x LGD teams. And then he said we will be down to 5 chinese players, i was just like, wtf, did i miss the whole series i mean, either way, you just dont say anything like that in any sport event, like '20 russians down to 2 russians'? I wonder how many people it bothers. I don't think it would bother me regardless of which nationality they used. Poll: Does what BurningSera is saying bother you aswell? No (20) Yes (1) 21 total votes Your vote: Does what BurningSera is saying bother you aswell? | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:09 FiWiFaKi wrote: The weaker team won 4 of the 7 series though (according to seedings) TBF, the groups were not balanced at all in my opinion given the situation with visas and also the valve invite policy. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:13 stuchiu wrote: fucking mad and maelk were good when they did it. It's been a while, but you're right, they were fairly good, and could get even better with some practice. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:13 bagels21 wrote: TBF, the groups were not balanced at all in my opinion given the situation with visas and also the valve invite policy. That's why group seedings argument makes no sense since that presumes a good seeding and fair groups. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:12 Nevuk wrote: I hear stats like that in olympic coverage all the time (especially if one nation had an overwhelming numbers advantage or something). It's not that rare in sports, really. edit : At least in the US i can understand that, only if one side traditionally (absolutely) dominates that sport. but chinese to dota is not like korean to sc. anyway, meh. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:14 stuchiu wrote: That's why group seedings argument makes no sense since that presumes a good seeding and fair groups. yeah I agree with you, I don't think the "seeds" meant that much besides the 1/4. Finishing fourth basically was indicative that you stunk lol. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:12 BurningSera wrote: is just so weird the way they put it that way, because i was expecting the next game would be 2x LGD teams. And then he said we are down to 5 chinese players from 28, i was just like, wtf, did i miss the whole series i mean, either way, you just dont say anything like that in any sport event, like '20 russians down to 2 russians'? You do if you expect the Russians to do really well, I think that was their point. I don't find it mind-blowing at all | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:25 Nevuk wrote: How did they determine the groups anyways? They seemed worse than usual this major Two invited teams + 1st in one qual + 2nd in another qual. i.e. Group B NB MVP 1st in NA Quals - NP 2nd in EU Quals - VP or Group A Wings DC 1st in China Quals - LGD.FY 2nd in SEA Quals - WGU | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:25 Nevuk wrote: How did they determine the groups anyways? They seemed worse than usual this major A v C B v D oh group seeding they don't share that info | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Why is DK so popular? memepush | ||
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Well he just got swaggerfiended | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Why is DK so popular? I think it's good for mids that can't win. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:55 Kuroeeah wrote: this is the most unchina-chinese game i've ever seen So Taiwan. | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:55 Kuroeeah wrote: this is the most unchina-chinese game i've ever seen This is China as fuck though. VG vs Newbee TI4? All the DK brawls? China has been all about massacring each other at every tower since TI2 at least. Sometimes Chinese teams almost border on naivety on how gung-ho they are about their 5man facerush stuff and going into every fight. | ||
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rebdomine
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On December 09 2016 10:53 wims80 wrote: END = Zyf, right? yep | ||
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On December 09 2016 10:59 Shergal wrote: This is China as fuck though. VG vs Newbee TI4? All the DK brawls? China has been all about massacring each other at every tower since TI2 at least. Sometimes Chinese teams almost border on naivety on how gung-ho they are about their 5man facerush stuff and going into every fight. VG vs Newbee was horrendously boring (ti4 finals lul) and DK's playstyle as a team is deviated from the rest of the world (much like how Wing's is not a Chinese-like team in playstyle). IG was a great example of a team that also aggressive until the roster changes. LGD is the most stable ass Chinese, Chinese team and this game is clowny as fuck. | ||
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bagels21
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On December 09 2016 10:40 stuchiu wrote: I think it's good for mids that can't win. it's also a signature hero for super. Ever since EMS One 2013 IIRC | ||
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bagels21
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On December 09 2016 10:53 wims80 wrote: END = Zyf, right? Yep, he renamed himself, similarly to 1437 | ||
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Shergal
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On December 09 2016 11:02 Kuroeeah wrote: VG vs Newbee was horrendously boring (ti4 finals lul) and DK's playstyle as a team is deviated from the rest of the world (much like how Wing's is not a Chinese-like team in playstyle). IG was a great example of a team that also aggressive until the roster changes. LGD is the most stable ass Chinese, Chinese team and this game is clowny as fuck. It was boring for you because you couldn't get hyped. But we are talking about Dota here, not your feelings. VG vs Newbee was all about taking 10 minute 5v5 fights non-stop, Newbee just happened to win ALL of them plus the lanes in games 3 and 4. Ever since the introduction of smokes and the changes in 6.70~6.72 China has generally favoured early-mid game teamfight comps And yeah DK was a more versatile team, as is Wings, but they never shied away from a good ol' bloodbath like this one. | ||
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On December 09 2016 11:05 Shergal wrote: It was boring for you because you couldn't get hyped. But we are talking about Dota here, not your feelings. VG vs Newbee was all about taking 10 minute 5v5 fights non-stop, Newbee just happened to win ALL of them plus the lanes in games 3 and 4. Ever since the introduction of smokes and the changes in 6.70~6.72 China has generally favoured early-mid game teamfight comps And yeah DK was a more versatile team, as is Wings, but they never shied away from a good ol' bloodbath like this one. it's more like VG failed to memepush. all of their drafts was super all-in that game | ||
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Nyx was garbo whole game though | ||
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On December 09 2016 11:15 CosmicSpiral wrote: How much stolen INT does Silencer have? 40 INT | ||
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bagels21
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they just didn't have the balls to go all in | ||
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On December 09 2016 11:19 bagels21 wrote: wow LGD could have won there they just didn't have the balls to go all in Yeah, they are still too inexperienced and not being able to handle the pressure I think. | ||
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BUT THEY GO BACK TO BASE??? literally did nothing with 80sec dead SK | ||
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On December 09 2016 11:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: oh this SK kill might save LGD BUT THEY GO BACK TO BASE??? literally did nothing with 80sec dead SK If they were 0-1 down, I'd kind of understand. But what is this, are they trying to throw or something. I've never seen a pro team play this scared for no logical reason. | ||
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what are these decisions | ||
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Are these the two worst teams in Boston? O_o Anyone want to take +150 odds that the team that wins here will beat Ad Finem? | ||
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On December 09 2016 11:27 Kuroeeah wrote: maybe bone7 hijacked LGD's comm's and they were listening to him. Move over Bulba, I'm the real team assassin. | ||
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the bear jew
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Almost as much farm as the mid DK | ||
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On December 09 2016 11:29 FiWiFaKi wrote: If you think it was Bone7, you're not giving him enough credit. This was ixmike level stuff. I rather think of fluffnstuff for these type of calls | ||
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oh well "Maybe Next Time"! | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:05 Aerisky wrote: How come weaver has naked gloves? He's going maelstrom | ||
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Yeah I realized once he bought the mithril hammer, but he had gloves w/ no boots before he even had the ulti orb for his linkens I think? He actually still has no boots, is that standard on weaver nowadays :O | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:09 Taf the Ghost wrote: DK is way behind in farm. irrelevant given the amount of initiation and stun they have | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:12 Aerisky wrote: Yeah I realized once he bought the mithril hammer, but he had gloves w/ no boots before he even had the ulti orb for his linkens I think? He actually still has no boots, is that standard on weaver nowadays :O He might've originally planned to go Treads, then abandoned it for the straight Linkens. | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:12 Aerisky wrote: Yeah I realized once he bought the mithril hammer, but he had gloves w/ no boots before he even had the ulti orb for his linkens I think? He actually still has no boots, is that standard on weaver nowadays :O He actually went deso. He might still go maelstrom though, they work together. No boots has always been an option on weaver since forever. Especially if you get a fast linkens, you can spam sukuchi all day | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:16 CosmicSpiral wrote: He might've originally planned to go Treads, then abandoned it for the straight Linkens. Yeah that makes sense wow LFY just rekt LGD there On December 09 2016 12:17 Nevuk wrote: He actually went deso. He might still go maelstrom though, they work together. No boots has always been an option on weaver since forever. Especially if you get a fast linkens, you can spam sukuchi all day Huh I see. afaik I've always seen treads on weavers on streams but I probably just didn't notice then. | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:17 bagels21 wrote: the non 1/2 positions on LGD are straight poverty right now I wouldn't put it that way. More like robbery victims. | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:18 Nevuk wrote: When was the last time a core weaver actually won? 3 hours ago. https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2831962783 With like 5-6 straight losses before that. | ||
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I actually watched that game. Not sure why I didn't remember. Probably associated it with Alchemist instead of the weaver. | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: LGD looked so strong in groupstages as well and now this :X They beat Faceless and Complexity tho. Complexity wasn't bad but Faceless might be the worst team in that entire tournament. | ||
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Eternalmisfit
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On December 09 2016 12:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: LGD looked so strong in groupstages as well and now this :X Well they played against Faceless who have been clueless the entire tournament and Col who don't know how to play against anyone not named EG | ||
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Wings, Complexity, Newbee & Ehome. Wow. I thought the Groups was important for understanding the Meta, but that's sort of insane. | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:13 wuhan_clan wrote: Yao playing good? Is this 2012? he'll start play bad tomorrow, when he face non-Chinese team | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
Typical Xiao8's script. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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drafts where hes good are rare and sometimes he might not even be the easiest hero in those games | ||
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They shouldn't get more than one direct invite after this performance. | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:31 FiWiFaKi wrote: When looking at all the chinese teams still left in the tournament, there isn't a single one who's won a single game against a non-chinese team. They shouldn't get more than one direct invite after this performance. a single game or a single series ? because EHOME won 1 game against NP you a super west-fanboy or east-hatetrain? | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:29 CxWiLL wrote: ok, LFY will be crushed in lane next round and all Chinese team finished bottom Typical Xiao8's script. TBF their group may have secretly been the hardest. They might be AF, it's unclear, but LFY ended up playing the last 2 TI finalists | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:34 yyfpulls wrote: lol LGD chose LFY to play against That'll teach Maybe to rebel against xiao8's rule. | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:34 Vertical wrote: a single game or a single series ? because EHOME won 1 game against NP you a super west-fanboy or east-hatetrain? Because of the entire performance of the chinese teams this tournament. And I don't like how the chinese teams are fairly unethical/unsportsmanlike, so maybe that has a bit to do with it, but mainly based on merit. | ||
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xiao8god missin stacks | ||
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(Just mark the game as finished, but not the event). | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:34 yyfpulls wrote: lol LGD chose LFY to play against lmao IG.V and now this | ||
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On December 09 2016 12:37 FiWiFaKi wrote: Because of the entire performance of the chinese teams this tournament. And I don't like how the chinese teams are fairly unethical/unsportsmanlike, so maybe that has a bit to do with it, but mainly based on merit. i'm not sure what you argument is about whether it's about chinese being terrible or unethical.. i'm not even sure what you mean by unenthical i don't see them like that you can't not uninvite chinese so they don't do that well in a single tournament .. they've done well on the others and they've always done well at TI | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On December 09 2016 12:44 goody153 wrote: i'm not sure what you argument is about whether it's about chinese being terrible or unethical.. i'm not even sure what you mean by unenthical i don't see them like that you can't not uninvite chinese so they don't do that well in a single tournament .. they've done well on the others and they've always done well at TI I think the whole unethical thing comes from the Chinese teams sharing replays of scrims with Western teams among each other | ||
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goody153
44064 Posts
On December 09 2016 12:45 rebdomine wrote: I think the whole unethical thing comes from the Chinese teams sharing replays of scrims with Western teams among each other i don't really see anything wrong with that there's no disclosure agreement that they can't share those .. and i bet even western teams talk about stuff they discover from other teams to teams/players they are close with | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 09 2016 12:46 goody153 wrote: i don't really see anything wrong with that there's no disclosure agreement that they can't share those .. and i bet even western teams talk about stuff they discover from other teams to teams/players they are close with It's just stuff that rubbed me the wrong ways, like when the chinese scene were lynching was it DK? Just whenever drama comes out from the Chinese scene, I'm like this is so stupid, nothing big comes to mind right now though. And that's what I'm saying, there's no NDA agreement... Hence why what they're doing is not illegal, but rather unethical or unsportsmanlike, at least from my view of competition. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On December 09 2016 13:20 Nevuk wrote: I really wonder what sgamer is saying about the chinese performances. Back to flaming ehome(especially sylar and lanm) like they have done since season start, guessing new teams to come out of next shuffle, some thread asking CTY to return, someone asking xiao8 to beat greeks and many more | ||
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Thetwinmasters
3578 Posts
On December 09 2016 12:53 FiWiFaKi wrote: It's just stuff that rubbed me the wrong ways, like when the chinese scene were lynching was it DK? Just whenever drama comes out from the Chinese scene, I'm like this is so stupid, nothing big comes to mind right now though. And that's what I'm saying, there's no NDA agreement... Hence why what they're doing is not illegal, but rather unethical or unsportsmanlike, at least from my view of competition. JW do you hate the NA scene for doing the exact same things? | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 09 2016 13:27 Thetwinmasters wrote: JW do you hate the NA scene for doing the exact same things? This is a fair question. The NA scene has always been an amazing race to the bottom that somehow produces a few good dota players. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On December 09 2016 12:53 FiWiFaKi wrote: It's just stuff that rubbed me the wrong ways, like when the chinese scene were lynching was it DK? Just whenever drama comes out from the Chinese scene, I'm like this is so stupid, nothing big comes to mind right now though. And that's what I'm saying, there's no NDA agreement... Hence why what they're doing is not illegal, but rather unethical or unsportsmanlike, at least from my view of competition. Buuut didn't AUI came out with a bloggo about how important replays are in improving the scene? Why is there such drama here, west can share reps of china if they want to study. Why are replays so sacred? should we return to BW days when reps are banned from release. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On December 09 2016 12:31 calh wrote: TBH China has performed below expectation for a long time now, with a few exceptions here and there (CDEC, Wings). Maybe the game has shifted away too much from what they used to be good at. grass root dota still there. it's being known that the new comers in Chinese scene are not as strong as the west and they've being going through a transition phase for 2 TIs now. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 09 2016 13:48 haduken wrote: grass root dota still there. it's being known that the new comers in Chinese scene are not as strong as the west and they've being going through a transition phase for 2 TIs now. Not sure if playing an Azarkon or serious. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On December 09 2016 14:11 lolfail9001 wrote: Not sure if playing an Azarkon or serious. oh God, not that name again | ||
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sweatbomb
Sweden469 Posts
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Yurie
11756 Posts
On December 09 2016 12:37 kidswift wrote: robodoto is no longer efficient? good. The problem is that they no longer play that. I think it would be very efficient if they actually did it. LGD losing today was due to too many individual plays with no plan. So they often got a good start then fell apart when they should be following a team strategy and focusing pre-arranged targets in fights. On December 09 2016 14:49 sweatbomb wrote: China failed hard this major. Yup. My prediction bracket is ruined by it. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 09 2016 13:35 Nevuk wrote: This is a fair question. The NA scene has always been an amazing race to the bottom that somehow produces a few good dota players. To me, NA looks more like kids who don't know any better. Chinese teams give off the vibe of a vandetta against other regions that is more intentional. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
3578 Posts
On December 09 2016 15:37 FiWiFaKi wrote: To me, NA looks more like kids who don't know any better. Chinese teams give off the vibe of a vandetta against other regions that is more intentional. NA had a vendetta against DC because they got paid a salary lmao | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On December 09 2016 16:43 Shergal wrote: China dominated TI5 though, only EG and Secret were better but Secret choked to hell (to Chinese team EHOME) by that Logic with exception of TI 1, every TI China is either Wins it or Dominate it TI1 : 4 team, 2 out of top 6 is China, Winner : CIS TI2 : 5 team, 4 out of top 6 is China, Winner : China TI3 : 5 team, 3 out of top 6 is China, Winner : EU TI4 : 5 team, 4 out of top 6 is China, Winner : China TI5 : 6 team, 4 out of top 6 is China, Winner : NA TI6 : 6 team, 2 out of top 6 is China, Winner : China so we can say TI6 is actually the worst China as a whole have perform since TI1 | ||
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wims80
1892 Posts
On December 09 2016 12:53 FiWiFaKi wrote: There's nothing even remotely unethical about sharing your experiences with friendsIt's just stuff that rubbed me the wrong ways, like when the chinese scene were lynching was it DK? Just whenever drama comes out from the Chinese scene, I'm like this is so stupid, nothing big comes to mind right now though. And that's what I'm saying, there's no NDA agreement... Hence why what they're doing is not illegal, but rather unethical or unsportsmanlike, at least from my view of competition. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On December 09 2016 20:32 wims80 wrote: There's nothing even remotely unethical about sharing your experiences with friends "Sharing your experiences with friends" lol | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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