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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 09 2016 00:05 GMT
#581
Disastah
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
December 09 2016 00:05 GMT
#582
lol yet another cour
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
December 09 2016 00:05 GMT
#583
Newbee needs so much farm to make this draft work.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#584
On December 09 2016 08:56 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:45 FiWiFaKi wrote:
DK Midas is an awful item.

DK just needs a lot of mid tier items, a Midas slows you way too much, since he needs to be pushing throughout all of the early-mid game.


And that is what the DK tried to do, failed and was unable to keep up and scale. Dk scales well with items, why not get an item to ensure you scale and keep up? Not necessarily midas, something to focus on farming him up.

I know you are saying, he just needs a bunch of mid tier items to fight! Well he never got them, He ended with 3 mid tier items, armlet, bkb, blink, not a lot of damage, pure initiation and then....nothing.

Sure if your push idea is working that's fine, but maybe we should start rethinking DK and his role. Focus on scaling DK, cause he scales well, really damn well with items. Instead of just making him early push tower bot, focus on scaling him more..

DK can't farm well, he scales well with gold but he just can't farm and is a strong fighter with midgame items. He's on par with other 6 slotted carries but he will be 6 slotted way later.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#585
reactive armor lol
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#586
I hope we will see an aghs upgrade on weaver!!! Does anyone remember Power Rangers vs Alliance match at TI5?
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
kidswift
Profile Joined December 2016
6 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#587
newbee draft too stable, too according to plan, if AF avoids goofs they have the advantage i think
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#588
On December 09 2016 08:58 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:

failing to see direct relevance of your statement


You said Medusa's post-50 minute game is overrated. I agree but it's overrated now. If we were still in the era of single core lineups, then she would still be one of the best.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 09 2016 00:08 GMT
#589
On December 09 2016 09:00 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?


I'd probably give him a B, he's always more underwhelming than I think he'd be come lategame. In games where you're able to split push effectively, I guess an A. Idk, on paper he seems a lot better than how games turn out with him.

he's terrible at 50 minutes, like 80% of team comps just start killing the bear too fast at that stage
The only way to play him at that point is to get aghs and split push with the bear and dodge all fights. There was an OG game where this happened not too long ago, but I've never seen LD win a true lategame scenario aside from that
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
December 09 2016 00:08 GMT
#590
On December 09 2016 09:07 Aceace wrote:
I hope we will see an aghs upgrade on weaver!!! Does anyone remember Power Rangers vs Alliance match at TI5?

have you watched VP's games?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 00:10:01
December 09 2016 00:08 GMT
#591
On December 09 2016 09:04 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?

Lone druid is an awful late game carry. It's a terrible argument that just because you have a 12 slotted hero means it'll ever be good.

Even in a dream scenario where you actually get 12 items, you're still not doing impressive damage on either sylla or his bear. Bear doesn't have stat growth or survivability and Sylla even slotted with the most expensive items doesn't do enough damage.


Yeah, in theory a LD with tons of utility items like: BoT, Guardian Greaves, Scythe, Heart, Crimson Guard/Vlads, AC... With a super farmed bear like: radiance, abyssal, mkb, bkb, phase, daedalus or something like that.

But it never really works out in practice. And that's more like a 90 minute game. When you're playing offensive and pushing, bear is good, when you're playing defensive, it's very underwhelming.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
December 09 2016 00:11 GMT
#592
On December 09 2016 09:08 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 09:00 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?


I'd probably give him a B, he's always more underwhelming than I think he'd be come lategame. In games where you're able to split push effectively, I guess an A. Idk, on paper he seems a lot better than how games turn out with him.

he's terrible at 50 minutes, like 80% of team comps just start killing the bear too fast at that stage
The only way to play him at that point is to get aghs and split push with the bear and dodge all fights. There was an OG game where this happened not too long ago, but I've never seen LD win a true lategame scenario aside from that

yea that game was the 5th game of elimination mode, arguably a game where the opponents had one of the 20% of comps that just cant deal with ld fully at any stage
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GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
December 09 2016 00:11 GMT
#593
On December 09 2016 09:04 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?

Lone druid is an awful late game carry. It's a terrible argument that just because you have a 12 slotted hero means it'll ever be good.

Even in a dream scenario where you actually get 12 items, you're still not doing impressive damage on either sylla or his bear. Bear doesn't have stat growth or survivability and Sylla even slotted with the most expensive items doesn't do enough damage.

Well that's why the bear pulverizes towers so fast. I agree he's more D tier alongside things like Nature's Prophet or core Pugna.

Can't wait for Arc Warden in captain's mode. That hero is terrifying late game.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
dada0036
Profile Joined December 2016
125 Posts
December 09 2016 00:11 GMT
#594
goodbye newbee its been fun
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 09 2016 00:12 GMT
#595
Pugna is not worse than Huskar lategame LOL.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 09 2016 00:13 GMT
#596
Alch is having such a good life here. This is going to be a 12-13 minute Armlet + Radiance.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 00:15:13
December 09 2016 00:13 GMT
#597
On December 09 2016 09:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Pugna is not worse than Huskar lategame LOL.

he definitely is imo, unless you have a really high magic damage comp or the opponents dont have any cores that get beefy in terms of hp

he just doestn do anything to cores with like over 2500 hp and he dies in 2 seconds

huskar can still have an item build of like satanic + mkb + armlet + bkb + ac and its still scary
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 00:16:19
December 09 2016 00:15 GMT
#598
Agreed, Pugna is D tier, NP and Huskar is like C.

Huskar isn't that bad. a Bots + Armlet + Heart + Satanic + BKB Huskar can be very scary. (Halberd or AC last item)
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
December 09 2016 00:15 GMT
#599
Kpii choking again in a important game.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
December 09 2016 00:16 GMT
#600
newbee really needed that. AF still looking good though
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