• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:27
CEST 06:27
KST 13:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win
Tourneys
KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! $5,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2026 SC2 INu's Battles#16 <BO.9>
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Semifinals B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Semifinals A
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1883 users

[BostonMajor] Main Event - Day 2 - Page 30

Forum Index > Dota 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 32 47 Next All
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 09 2016 00:05 GMT
#581
Disastah
Moderator
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
December 09 2016 00:05 GMT
#582
lol yet another cour
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
December 09 2016 00:05 GMT
#583
Newbee needs so much farm to make this draft work.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#584
On December 09 2016 08:56 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:45 FiWiFaKi wrote:
DK Midas is an awful item.

DK just needs a lot of mid tier items, a Midas slows you way too much, since he needs to be pushing throughout all of the early-mid game.


And that is what the DK tried to do, failed and was unable to keep up and scale. Dk scales well with items, why not get an item to ensure you scale and keep up? Not necessarily midas, something to focus on farming him up.

I know you are saying, he just needs a bunch of mid tier items to fight! Well he never got them, He ended with 3 mid tier items, armlet, bkb, blink, not a lot of damage, pure initiation and then....nothing.

Sure if your push idea is working that's fine, but maybe we should start rethinking DK and his role. Focus on scaling DK, cause he scales well, really damn well with items. Instead of just making him early push tower bot, focus on scaling him more..

DK can't farm well, he scales well with gold but he just can't farm and is a strong fighter with midgame items. He's on par with other 6 slotted carries but he will be 6 slotted way later.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#585
reactive armor lol
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#586
I hope we will see an aghs upgrade on weaver!!! Does anyone remember Power Rangers vs Alliance match at TI5?
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
kidswift
Profile Joined December 2016
6 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#587
newbee draft too stable, too according to plan, if AF avoids goofs they have the advantage i think
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 09 2016 00:07 GMT
#588
On December 09 2016 08:58 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:

failing to see direct relevance of your statement


You said Medusa's post-50 minute game is overrated. I agree but it's overrated now. If we were still in the era of single core lineups, then she would still be one of the best.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 09 2016 00:08 GMT
#589
On December 09 2016 09:00 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?


I'd probably give him a B, he's always more underwhelming than I think he'd be come lategame. In games where you're able to split push effectively, I guess an A. Idk, on paper he seems a lot better than how games turn out with him.

he's terrible at 50 minutes, like 80% of team comps just start killing the bear too fast at that stage
The only way to play him at that point is to get aghs and split push with the bear and dodge all fights. There was an OG game where this happened not too long ago, but I've never seen LD win a true lategame scenario aside from that
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
December 09 2016 00:08 GMT
#590
On December 09 2016 09:07 Aceace wrote:
I hope we will see an aghs upgrade on weaver!!! Does anyone remember Power Rangers vs Alliance match at TI5?

have you watched VP's games?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 00:10:01
December 09 2016 00:08 GMT
#591
On December 09 2016 09:04 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?

Lone druid is an awful late game carry. It's a terrible argument that just because you have a 12 slotted hero means it'll ever be good.

Even in a dream scenario where you actually get 12 items, you're still not doing impressive damage on either sylla or his bear. Bear doesn't have stat growth or survivability and Sylla even slotted with the most expensive items doesn't do enough damage.


Yeah, in theory a LD with tons of utility items like: BoT, Guardian Greaves, Scythe, Heart, Crimson Guard/Vlads, AC... With a super farmed bear like: radiance, abyssal, mkb, bkb, phase, daedalus or something like that.

But it never really works out in practice. And that's more like a 90 minute game. When you're playing offensive and pushing, bear is good, when you're playing defensive, it's very underwhelming.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
December 09 2016 00:11 GMT
#592
On December 09 2016 09:08 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 09:00 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?


I'd probably give him a B, he's always more underwhelming than I think he'd be come lategame. In games where you're able to split push effectively, I guess an A. Idk, on paper he seems a lot better than how games turn out with him.

he's terrible at 50 minutes, like 80% of team comps just start killing the bear too fast at that stage
The only way to play him at that point is to get aghs and split push with the bear and dodge all fights. There was an OG game where this happened not too long ago, but I've never seen LD win a true lategame scenario aside from that

yea that game was the 5th game of elimination mode, arguably a game where the opponents had one of the 20% of comps that just cant deal with ld fully at any stage
posting on liquid sites in current year
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
December 09 2016 00:11 GMT
#593
On December 09 2016 09:04 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On December 09 2016 08:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
If I had to assign tiers to lategame (post 50 minutes) carries:

SS Tier: Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade
S Tier: Naga, Chaos Knight, Storm Spirit, Tinker, Faceless Void
A Tier: AM, Sven, Sniper, Clinks, Slark, OD, Tiny, Ember
B Tier: WK, Luna, Weaver, Alchemist (since aghs), Juggernaut, TA, Gyro, Invoker, LS, PA, Naix
C Tier: QoP, Lina, Brood, Razor, SF, Huskar, Ursa, Slardar, Lycan, DK, Viper
D Tier: Meepo, BS

Obviously depends on draft, but just to assign rough lategame potential to the common heroes.

I can has Lone Druid?

Lone druid is an awful late game carry. It's a terrible argument that just because you have a 12 slotted hero means it'll ever be good.

Even in a dream scenario where you actually get 12 items, you're still not doing impressive damage on either sylla or his bear. Bear doesn't have stat growth or survivability and Sylla even slotted with the most expensive items doesn't do enough damage.

Well that's why the bear pulverizes towers so fast. I agree he's more D tier alongside things like Nature's Prophet or core Pugna.

Can't wait for Arc Warden in captain's mode. That hero is terrifying late game.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
dada0036
Profile Joined December 2016
125 Posts
December 09 2016 00:11 GMT
#594
goodbye newbee its been fun
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 09 2016 00:12 GMT
#595
Pugna is not worse than Huskar lategame LOL.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 09 2016 00:13 GMT
#596
Alch is having such a good life here. This is going to be a 12-13 minute Armlet + Radiance.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 00:15:13
December 09 2016 00:13 GMT
#597
On December 09 2016 09:12 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Pugna is not worse than Huskar lategame LOL.

he definitely is imo, unless you have a really high magic damage comp or the opponents dont have any cores that get beefy in terms of hp

he just doestn do anything to cores with like over 2500 hp and he dies in 2 seconds

huskar can still have an item build of like satanic + mkb + armlet + bkb + ac and its still scary
posting on liquid sites in current year
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-09 00:16:19
December 09 2016 00:15 GMT
#598
Agreed, Pugna is D tier, NP and Huskar is like C.

Huskar isn't that bad. a Bots + Armlet + Heart + Satanic + BKB Huskar can be very scary. (Halberd or AC last item)
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
December 09 2016 00:15 GMT
#599
Kpii choking again in a important game.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
December 09 2016 00:16 GMT
#600
newbee really needed that. AF still looking good though
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 32 47 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Korean StarCraft League
03:00
Korean Starcraft League #89
CranKy Ducklings113
davetesta47
Liquipedia
The PiG Daily
21:30
Best Games
Maru vs Rogue
ByuN vs herO
Maru vs Classic
SHIN vs Zoun
Clem vs MaxPax
SHIN vs ByuN
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 415
Ketroc 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea.KH 39
Icarus 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm178
League of Legends
JimRising 707
Counter-Strike
taco 714
Other Games
summit1g9005
C9.Mang0512
WinterStarcraft413
monkeys_forever273
ViBE163
Trikslyr40
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1339
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• EnkiAlexander 51
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP44
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo926
• Stunt179
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
5h 33m
Clem vs Rogue
Bunny vs Lambo
IPSL
11h 33m
Dewalt vs nOmaD
Ret vs Cross
BSL
11h 33m
Artosis vs Sterling
eOnzErG vs TBD
BSL
14h 33m
Bonyth vs Doodle
Dewalt vs TerrOr
GSL
1d 3h
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
1d 11h
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
1d 14h
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.