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On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:05 goody153 wrote:
lol i actually can't believe TNC is gonna lose with a big draft advantage Alchemist against AA is a draft auto lose. 3 melee cores against void-et-at-magnus-ember is draft auto lose Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game
The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back?
On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl
I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek.
So, try again.
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On August 12 2016 05:13 DropBear wrote:
I really don't like the radiance + manta + octarine build for alchemist. It doesn't really help split push, it doesn't really help fight. It doesn't achieve anything but more gold.
What is the point of gold if you can't use it to either kill the enemy or kill the buildings? You suck up all the gold on the map and do literally nothing with it zzz
+100
Imagine a fucking armlet + radi + AC + basher + bkb and you just kill everybody
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On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:05 goody153 wrote:
lol i actually can't believe TNC is gonna lose with a big draft advantage Alchemist against AA is a draft auto lose. 3 melee cores against void-et-at-magnus-ember is draft auto lose Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back?
lol that's 30 minutes into the game. ember had travels battlefury quick when alch only had armlet
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On August 12 2016 05:15 Tegenaria wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:13 DropBear wrote:
I really don't like the radiance + manta + octarine build for alchemist. It doesn't really help split push, it doesn't really help fight. It doesn't achieve anything but more gold.
What is the point of gold if you can't use it to either kill the enemy or kill the buildings? You suck up all the gold on the map and do literally nothing with it zzz +100 Imagine a fucking armlet + radi + AC + basher + bkb and you just kill everybody
Radiance is not even good after you get 6 slotted
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On August 12 2016 05:15 Tegenaria wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:13 DropBear wrote:
I really don't like the radiance + manta + octarine build for alchemist. It doesn't really help split push, it doesn't really help fight. It doesn't achieve anything but more gold.
What is the point of gold if you can't use it to either kill the enemy or kill the buildings? You suck up all the gold on the map and do literally nothing with it zzz +100 Imagine a fucking armlet + radi + AC + basher + bkb and you just kill everybody
this no damage alch is the most hated build of the tournament, for sure
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Teamfights later on were surely going to be DC favored. You don't even need to put out that much damage from other heroes, AA ult + RP/Chrono will always kill people and it's pretty hard to counter that with Silencer ult only.
The bigger question regarding the draft imo is did TNC really have to die so much early game when they have a Lich helping their lanes. At least with a better early game they can get more farm on Axe+Timber and get the Alch snowball going, and then they can at least be in a position to win if DC ever mess up their teamfight. The way this game went DC could mess up several times and it simply doesn't matter because TNC can't do anything but get some more gold on Alch who just dies anyway, and when DC hits their spells once TNC just lose.
And yea not really a fan of the manta shenanigans either. Feels to me like there's a lot of games with Alch where he is massively ahead around the time he gets radiance and spends a few minutes farming with it, and you could build some useful items. But instead we quite often see the Alch just farming away with the manta and feeding away kill bounties.
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On August 12 2016 05:18 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:05 goody153 wrote:
lol i actually can't believe TNC is gonna lose with a big draft advantage Alchemist against AA is a draft auto lose. 3 melee cores against void-et-at-magnus-ember is draft auto lose Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? lol that's 30 minutes into the game. ember had travels battlefury quick when alch only had armlet
Alch had 8 minute Armlet rofl. Yes, he had slightly later than average radiance, but overall his timings were the same as of every other Alchemist for 6 slots.
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I never played Dota yet I don't understand how I always enjoy TI so much.
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On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:05 goody153 wrote:
lol i actually can't believe TNC is gonna lose with a big draft advantage Alchemist against AA is a draft auto lose. 3 melee cores against void-et-at-magnus-ember is draft auto lose Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek. So, try again.
ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered
it's as if alchemist is always clumping his manta with him when ember is around
oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage to alch at that time frame
btw you are not gonna do shit damage to alch with 3 bf's if he's alone .. oh yeah i play ember too
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Feisty Winter XD
The Rad Manta Octarine build works, but it is not for every game. It is not for games where you can't man up right clicking heroes/buildings like when you're facing an AA. You'd better off with a build that can snipe heroes quickly in such a scenario.
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I think we're all forgetting that TNC drafted Alchemist with their 3rd pick, the first out of the 2nd ban phase. Yet they didn't ban AA with ET + Void already drafted.
That was just damn stupid.
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Hoping for a better game from both teams in game 3.
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On August 12 2016 05:21 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:05 goody153 wrote:
lol i actually can't believe TNC is gonna lose with a big draft advantage Alchemist against AA is a draft auto lose. 3 melee cores against void-et-at-magnus-ember is draft auto lose Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek. So, try again. ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage are you azarkon this are the kind of arguments azarkon makes
Ember's job this game is literally don't walk into chrono, and use manta when Demon uses global while spamming fists. That's it.
Also, i don't assume, i know that ember + magnus means that ember always has additional 4300 gold worth of items in form of empower. So, by the 26 minute mark (alches's usual octarine/octarine+shivas timing), you have a double bf ember + daedalus if ember knows how to farm. That, plus AA ult, plus any half decent RP (against 3 melee cores rofl)=easy game easy life.
Obviously Tnc's subpar performance did not help it but their hopes this game were only in dominating it because they had 0 chance in teamfights after certain point.
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On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:05 goody153 wrote:
lol i actually can't believe TNC is gonna lose with a big draft advantage Alchemist against AA is a draft auto lose. 3 melee cores against void-et-at-magnus-ember is draft auto lose Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything.
that's a fair point, if timber didn't get dumpstered so hard or axe would've farmed faster they could've probably took better fights. then again aa missed ults like it was nothing, void and ember fed themselves at least 2-3 kills on the side lanes, magnus didn't fight with them for pretty long so it's not like dc played well either. they got it together eventually but they gave back a lot of their early lead before the game was decided.
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On August 12 2016 05:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I think we're all forgetting that TNC drafted Alchemist with their 3rd pick, the first out of the 2nd ban phase. Yet they didn't ban AA with ET + Void already drafted.
That was just damn stupid.
I think it was on purpose as they expected to be able to punish ET + AA hard during the laning phase, I can't tell what was their plan but it did not go as expected.
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Speaking of nerves, this is a Bo1 for 400k dollar.
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On August 12 2016 05:24 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:21 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:05 goody153 wrote:
lol i actually can't believe TNC is gonna lose with a big draft advantage Alchemist against AA is a draft auto lose. 3 melee cores against void-et-at-magnus-ember is draft auto lose Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek. So, try again. ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage are you azarkon this are the kind of arguments azarkon makes Ember's job this game is literally don't walk into chrono, and use manta when Demon uses global while spamming fists. That's it. Also, i don't assume, i know that ember + magnus means that ember always has additional 4300 gold worth of items in form of empower. So, by the 26 minute mark, you have a double bf ember + daedalus if ember knows how to farm. That, plus AA ult, plus any half decent RP (against 3 melee cores rofl)=easy game easy life. Obviously Tnc's subpar performance did not help it but their hopes this game were only in dominating it because they had 0 chance in teamfights after certain point.
Double bf even with empower if you slight alch during 23 minute mark with almost 6 slot farm is not gonna do shit. And what's ember gonna do in global when his entire team gets silenced
You are assuming that axe/timber will never interfere or do anything and the others don't actually do anything, and that the entire DC is free reign even though there's a silencer in the other team. Obviously TNC deserves to lose this game but the draft is no
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On August 12 2016 05:27 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I think we're all forgetting that TNC drafted Alchemist with their 3rd pick, the first out of the 2nd ban phase. Yet they didn't ban AA with ET + Void already drafted.
That was just damn stupid. I think it was on purpose as they expected to be able to punish ET + AA hard during the laning phase, I can't tell what was their plan but it did not go as expected.
When you pick Lich your plan is to win laning and snowball from there.
They failed that and in lategame, not even refresher silencer would salvage it.
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I dont want anybody to lose.... fuck Dota
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On August 12 2016 05:27 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I think we're all forgetting that TNC drafted Alchemist with their 3rd pick, the first out of the 2nd ban phase. Yet they didn't ban AA with ET + Void already drafted.
That was just damn stupid. I think it was on purpose as they expected to be able to punish ET + AA hard during the laning phase, I can't tell what was their plan but it did not go as expected.
I don't think you can win a laning phase hard enough that ET + AA + Void can't erase both of your cores from a fight. I think it was just they decided to Alch too late.
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