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MVP deserved to be in the upper bracket because 4 other teams played worst than them. If those teams played better, like maybe not draw with MVP, they would too be in the upper bracket.
Anyway that obs into QO yolo snipe on miracle won MVP the game. Without it, they would have struggled to push high ground and may lose their window when miracle gets bigger.
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can we re-do our brackets
like......please
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On August 09 2016 06:15 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:14 Logo wrote:On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.
MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/ lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP? Last time I'll say it: Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage. Ugh that was the worst. Who wants to see the top 2 teams just get accelerated practically right to the finals. Didn't NewBee get at least a full day of chilling out because they did well later on, too? Time management for TI4 wasn't great.
It was super anti-hype from what I remember. You had the top 2 teams from groups just disappear for awhile while the other teams meandered through the bracket. It was like 2-3 days later before you got to see EG play after Groups.
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On August 09 2016 06:14 TanGeng wrote:
The Ding Ding Ding Motherfucker duo setting up in caster's booth.
What,,,, LD+Maut? They didn't switch up the casters?
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On August 09 2016 06:15 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:14 Logo wrote:On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.
MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/ lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP? Last time I'll say it: Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage. Ugh that was the worst. Who wants to see the top 2 teams just get accelerated practically right to the finals. Didn't NewBee get at least a full day of chilling out because they did well later on, too? Time management for TI4 wasn't great.
In the first day of main event we already knew 2 of the top 3 teams
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On August 09 2016 06:17 ymir233 wrote:
can we re-do our brackets
like......please
I bet this is what OG are thinking.
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On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.
MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/ lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP? Last time I'll say it: Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage.
Look at TI5 to see why split groups don't show meaningful results.
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On August 09 2016 06:18 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:15 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 09 2016 06:14 Logo wrote:On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.
MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/ lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP? Last time I'll say it: Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage. Ugh that was the worst. Who wants to see the top 2 teams just get accelerated practically right to the finals. Didn't NewBee get at least a full day of chilling out because they did well later on, too? Time management for TI4 wasn't great. It was super anti-hype from what I remember. You had the top 2 teams from groups just disappear for awhile while the other teams meandered through the bracket.
As dumb as it was, I'm glad they at least tried it out, an then said "yeah let's never do this again."
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On August 09 2016 06:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:08 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.
MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/ lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP? Last time I'll say it: Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage. Uh okay. Still no idea what your point is. Why is the system dumb?? Should OG and Ehome have received first round byes in your opinion? What happens when OG loses in the second round after their first round bye? Still an unfair systeM? Maybe they shoulda just put OG and Ehome in the finals, fuck the rest of the tournament. Why the hell not? Yeah, I do think an advantage like a bye would be better. So sure, you lose your first match, but it'll be against a better opponent, and now you'll be at least in the top 8 if you lose, to reward you for the really good group stage.
Now you're rewarding OG for being in the easier group though. MVP's group was much tougher.
The system's fine. The groups are purely for seeding, we got our seeds, and we got our upset. Tough shit OG, that's what you get for picking Sven in your game 3 decider.
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On August 09 2016 06:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:15 trifecta wrote:
it's "hurr durr korean overlords" until they lose at every valve event to a better team. don't count your chickens before they hatch etc etc I think you take those a bit too seriously.
KESPAAA
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On August 09 2016 06:18 caiovigg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:15 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 09 2016 06:14 Logo wrote:On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.
MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/ lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP? Last time I'll say it: Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage. Ugh that was the worst. Who wants to see the top 2 teams just get accelerated practically right to the finals. Didn't NewBee get at least a full day of chilling out because they did well later on, too? Time management for TI4 wasn't great. In the first day of main event we already knew 2 of the top 3 teams
And one of 2 finalists.
Man, TI4 was underwhelming in so many ways.
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On August 09 2016 06:10 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:09 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:05 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 09 2016 06:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:02 bluzi wrote:On August 09 2016 05:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 kju wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.
MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/ no excuse for eu dota shitting the bed yet again at ti This has nothing to do with regions. Just odd that you don't win a SINGLE series, and now you win one, and you're automatically top 6? Whats wrong with you ? series didnt mean anything it was about games won , they won enough games to get 4th , the group stage is about measuring how good you are , and the best way is to count games won , not series won becuase there isnt any "series" its 2 games and no one is elminiated , whatever , if you think group stage is useless then you are clueless. No need for the personal attacks. Yes, I think that 1st or 4th makes next to no difference. Picking your opponent between 3rd and 4th is such a marginal advantage. what do you think about ehome? since you know they won even more games than og What about Ehome? This isn't Azarkon, I don't judge on nationalities, the same should go for Ehome... There should be an advantage for doing well in the group stage. MLG in SC2 took it to the extreme, but the 3 days of group stages now are not very important. Hell, even the group stages for the 5th-8th teams are useless, since you play all these games, to have your fate decided in a Bo1. The 8th team can easy beat the 5th team say 30% of the time, and it's just way too much randomness for no reason, and gets rid of the useful of group stages, besides letting a meta develop. Yeah the one problem I have is that with double elim especially, your TI isn't over immediately even if you bomb the groups. I didn't hate the TI4 format as much as a lot of others it seems.
Yeah, I was a bit iffy about the TI4 format myself, because we knew the results so early, but I'd really like a format like a bit like it... Although there it wasn't done well, I like the getting some byes, more of the MLG style a bit more.
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On August 09 2016 06:18 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:17 ymir233 wrote:
can we re-do our brackets
like......please I bet this is what OG are thinking.
I'm guesstimating a 2-0 for them against their next team either way though, don't feel like TNC or VGR could take them.
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On August 09 2016 06:18 dutchfriese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:08 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.
MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/ lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP? Last time I'll say it: Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage. Uh okay. Still no idea what your point is. Why is the system dumb?? Should OG and Ehome have received first round byes in your opinion? What happens when OG loses in the second round after their first round bye? Still an unfair systeM? Maybe they shoulda just put OG and Ehome in the finals, fuck the rest of the tournament. Why the hell not? Yeah, I do think an advantage like a bye would be better. So sure, you lose your first match, but it'll be against a better opponent, and now you'll be at least in the top 8 if you lose, to reward you for the really good group stage. Now you're rewarding OG for being in the easier group though. MVP's group was much tougher. The system's fine. The groups are purely for seeding, we got our seeds, and we got our upset. Tough shit OG, that's what you get for picking Sven in your game 3 decider.
Do we know if Group B was much tougher though? Because the way day 2 Secret and day 3 Liquid went, i am still in doubts whether EHOME are TI winning material.
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hahahahahah that was amazing from Charlie
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On August 09 2016 06:18 dutchfriese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 06:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:08 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.
MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/ lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP? Last time I'll say it: Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage. Uh okay. Still no idea what your point is. Why is the system dumb?? Should OG and Ehome have received first round byes in your opinion? What happens when OG loses in the second round after their first round bye? Still an unfair systeM? Maybe they shoulda just put OG and Ehome in the finals, fuck the rest of the tournament. Why the hell not? Yeah, I do think an advantage like a bye would be better. So sure, you lose your first match, but it'll be against a better opponent, and now you'll be at least in the top 8 if you lose, to reward you for the really good group stage. Now you're rewarding OG for being in the easier group though. MVP's group was much tougher. The system's fine. The groups are purely for seeding, we got our seeds, and we got our upset. Tough shit OG, that's what you get for picking Sven in your game 3 decider.
I am assuming the groups are the same difficulty, as in the standard situation. And you definitely don't have data to claim that Group B was harder, I personally think Group A was quite a bit tougher, it's all too subjective.
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at least OG got the easiest lower brackets though
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Charlie believes friendship and happiness should be punished by death.
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XBOCT pointing out how annoying asking Misery about Secret every time gets.
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