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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 21:20:42
August 08 2016 21:20 GMT
#1581
Real friends, how many of us? Real friends
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 08 2016 21:20 GMT
#1582
On August 09 2016 06:18 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:18 Logo wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:14 Logo wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.

MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/



lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP?


Last time I'll say it:

Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage.


Ugh that was the worst. Who wants to see the top 2 teams just get accelerated practically right to the finals.

Didn't NewBee get at least a full day of chilling out because they did well later on, too?

Time management for TI4 wasn't great.



It was super anti-hype from what I remember. You had the top 2 teams from groups just disappear for awhile while the other teams meandered through the bracket.


As dumb as it was, I'm glad they at least tried it out, an then said "yeah let's never do this again."


Could have saved themselves millions if they'd just ask me, hahahahahahah
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 08 2016 21:21 GMT
#1583
On August 09 2016 06:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:18 dutchfriese wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:08 dutchfriese wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.

MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/



lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP?


Last time I'll say it:

Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage.


Uh okay. Still no idea what your point is. Why is the system dumb?? Should OG and Ehome have received first round byes in your opinion?

What happens when OG loses in the second round after their first round bye? Still an unfair systeM? Maybe they shoulda just put OG and Ehome in the finals, fuck the rest of the tournament. Why the hell not?


Yeah, I do think an advantage like a bye would be better. So sure, you lose your first match, but it'll be against a better opponent, and now you'll be at least in the top 8 if you lose, to reward you for the really good group stage.


Now you're rewarding OG for being in the easier group though. MVP's group was much tougher.

The system's fine. The groups are purely for seeding, we got our seeds, and we got our upset. Tough shit OG, that's what you get for picking Sven in your game 3 decider.


I am assuming the groups are the same difficulty, as in the standard situation. And you definitely don't have data to claim that Group B was harder, I personally think Group A was quite a bit tougher, it's all too subjective.

Group B 1-0 group A, how can you deny facts?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
August 08 2016 21:21 GMT
#1584
OG straight to the LB, what a surprise
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
August 08 2016 21:21 GMT
#1585
On August 09 2016 06:19 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:18 Ej_ wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:17 ymir233 wrote:
can we re-do our brackets

like......please

I bet this is what OG are thinking.

I'm guesstimating a 2-0 for them against their next team either way though, don't feel like TNC or VGR could take them.


VGR could surprise. They definitely underperformed during groups.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
August 08 2016 21:21 GMT
#1586
On August 09 2016 06:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:15 trifecta wrote:
it's "hurr durr korean overlords" until they lose at every valve event to a better team. don't count your chickens before they hatch etc etc

I think you take those a bit too seriously.

KESPAAA


I have a poster of every bonjwa in my room i pray to regularly. Except Savior fuck that guy.

KOREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 08 2016 21:22 GMT
#1587
On August 09 2016 06:15 stuchiu wrote:
I thought TI4 group stage was by far the worst.

it was the best part of the tournament for games but the worst systematically
The Bomber boy
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 08 2016 21:22 GMT
#1588
On August 09 2016 06:21 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:15 trifecta wrote:
it's "hurr durr korean overlords" until they lose at every valve event to a better team. don't count your chickens before they hatch etc etc

I think you take those a bit too seriously.

KESPAAA


I have a poster of every bonjwa in my room i pray to regularly. Except Savior fuck that guy.

KOREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

But no JD? :/
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 08 2016 21:22 GMT
#1589
On August 09 2016 06:20 Papercappu wrote:
at least OG got the easiest lower brackets though

Yeah, definitely.

I can see secret/lgd/someone from wb knocking them out before top 6, though.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
August 08 2016 21:22 GMT
#1590
LD/winter cast inc? fuck yeah
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 21:22:43
August 08 2016 21:22 GMT
#1591
can't be korean overlords. That implies a lot.

It's just these 5 guys.
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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
August 08 2016 21:22 GMT
#1592
please tell me winter missing from the analysts means hes casting now
FTD
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 08 2016 21:22 GMT
#1593
On August 09 2016 06:21 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:19 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:18 Ej_ wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:17 ymir233 wrote:
can we re-do our brackets

like......please

I bet this is what OG are thinking.

I'm guesstimating a 2-0 for them against their next team either way though, don't feel like TNC or VGR could take them.


VGR could surprise. They definitely underperformed during groups.

VG went on a tear in the LB last year so it's definitely possible.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 08 2016 21:22 GMT
#1594
On August 09 2016 06:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:21 Teoita wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:15 trifecta wrote:
it's "hurr durr korean overlords" until they lose at every valve event to a better team. don't count your chickens before they hatch etc etc

I think you take those a bit too seriously.

KESPAAA


I have a poster of every bonjwa in my room i pray to regularly. Except Savior fuck that guy.

KOREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

But no JD? :/


pretty sure he's a bonjwa
Moderator
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 21:23:29
August 08 2016 21:23 GMT
#1595
On August 09 2016 06:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:21 Teoita wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:15 trifecta wrote:
it's "hurr durr korean overlords" until they lose at every valve event to a better team. don't count your chickens before they hatch etc etc

I think you take those a bit too seriously.

KESPAAA


I have a poster of every bonjwa in my room i pray to regularly. Except Savior fuck that guy.

KOREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

But no JD? :/


JD, Bisu, Mvp and company are more like minor dieties

On August 09 2016 06:22 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:21 Teoita wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:15 trifecta wrote:
it's "hurr durr korean overlords" until they lose at every valve event to a better team. don't count your chickens before they hatch etc etc

I think you take those a bit too seriously.

KESPAAA


I have a poster of every bonjwa in my room i pray to regularly. Except Savior fuck that guy.

KOREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

But no JD? :/


pretty sure he's a bonjwa


He isnt
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
August 08 2016 21:23 GMT
#1596
So sad for OG. This also fucks up my entire bracket...
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 21:23:56
August 08 2016 21:23 GMT
#1597
On August 09 2016 06:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I am assuming the groups are the same difficulty, as in the standard situation. And you definitely don't have data to claim that Group B was harder, I personally think Group A was quite a bit tougher, it's all too subjective.

But because groups are decided randomly and TI has some pretty large variation in team quality, you can't assume that will be the case. You can't design the format assuming the groups are evenly matched.

It doesn't even matter which group was harder. The fact that a group COULD be significantly easier/harder means you can't give too big of an advantage for being at the top of a group.
Moderator
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 08 2016 21:23 GMT
#1598
On August 09 2016 06:20 MCDayC wrote:
Real friends, how many of us? Real friends

ye

MC Day C
The Bomber boy
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 08 2016 21:23 GMT
#1599
Rofl, Navi accidentally made Sand King a first ban material in this tournament.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 08 2016 21:23 GMT
#1600
I don't think the actual Ti4 group stages was actually that big of a problem but the reason why people have an issue with it is because almost half the teams were already eliminated before the actual main event. Envy for sure and a few other pros in fact favored the TI4 group stage format but the decision to give the winners of the WB days break before their next match is what was actually offputting about ti4.

That said, I don't think it's actually an issue that MVP happened to not win a single series. When I look back at the group stage, I don't think Liquid, Secret, Fnatic and VG.R deserves it either.
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