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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 21:12:42
August 08 2016 21:11 GMT
#1521
So if you don't think MVP deserved to be in WB, which of the LB teams from group B do you actually think played better than them?

Because as much as you can complain about the rules, it's hard to say that any of the 4 teams below them actually played better. And seeing as groupstage is zero sum, it makes no sense to say that they deserve to be in the LB without naming a team that played better and deserves to be up there.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 08 2016 21:11 GMT
#1522
On August 09 2016 06:11 stuchiu wrote:
Groups are fine. It wasn't winning series that counted. It was wining the amount of games.

Particularly with just 2 games played, not 3.
kiss kiss fall in love
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 08 2016 21:11 GMT
#1523
On August 09 2016 06:07 bourne117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:02 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:00 ManyCookies wrote:
So is PA the sort of hero other teams could pick up in tournament, or does MVP get free reign with her?

PA is the hero that will be respect banned now.

They're stupidly good with a variety of things.

Stats don't lie: 100% winrate with PA, 19% without.

Why are you constantly ignoring other events with that stat. This is really the first event where the QO PA has actually been successful for them. Go reference their results at manila. They didn't rely on PA AT ALL. Literally didn't win 1 game with her. They have other heroes they can play.

You are correct, behind PA there stands the MVP's ultimate strategy of "Run at people, kill people, win game".
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
DV G
Profile Joined September 2012
Argentina2339 Posts
August 08 2016 21:12 GMT
#1524
On August 09 2016 06:09 sunrazgriz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:08 nojok wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:07 Kipsate wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:04 nojok wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:01 Kipsate wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:59 nojok wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:58 Kipsate wrote:
MVP=Portugal

Why you remind me such paiunful memories? You want me to bring back some Dutch finals into the mix?

woah dude uncalled for.

Spain 2010

French team 2010

lol.

Netherland 2016

Cleveland Cavaliers 2016



Argentina 2014 2015 2016



Oh i thought we were saying shit about teams
Go pro or die trying
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 08 2016 21:12 GMT
#1525
On August 09 2016 06:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:07 bourne117 wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:02 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:01 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:00 ManyCookies wrote:
So is PA the sort of hero other teams could pick up in tournament, or does MVP get free reign with her?

PA is the hero that will be respect banned now.

They're stupidly good with a variety of things.

Stats don't lie: 100% winrate with PA, 19% without.

Why are you constantly ignoring other events with that stat. This is really the first event where the QO PA has actually been successful for them. Go reference their results at manila. They didn't rely on PA AT ALL. Literally didn't win 1 game with her. They have other heroes they can play.

You are correct, behind PA there stands the MVP's ultimate strategy of "Run at people, kill people, win game".

Bristleback + IO vs. EG. :D
kiss kiss fall in love
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 08 2016 21:12 GMT
#1526
On August 09 2016 06:11 ch33psh33p wrote:
Prepare for another mountain of salt when Wings beats DC

lol wat people love wings

i for one love seeing miracle fanboys cry so let's go. knock em out next round, vgr/tnc
The Bomber boy
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 08 2016 21:12 GMT
#1527
On August 09 2016 06:11 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:11 ch33psh33p wrote:
Prepare for another mountain of salt when Wings beats DC

I thought DC getting this far was surprising enough as it is.

Yeah, DC has nothing to lose as moo said in his interview. Wings are not huge favorites either and they just want to play dota.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 21:13:21
August 08 2016 21:12 GMT
#1528
Yeah I'm pretty sure any DC fanboy would be happy to see Wings move on.

Edit: Maybe not happy but less salty than if it was Secret or EG or something knocking them down.
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
August 08 2016 21:12 GMT
#1529
On August 09 2016 06:09 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:05 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:02 bluzi wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:56 kju wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.

MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/

no excuse for eu dota shitting the bed yet again at ti


This has nothing to do with regions. Just odd that you don't win a SINGLE series, and now you win one, and you're automatically top 6?


Whats wrong with you ? series didnt mean anything it was about games won , they won enough games to get 4th , the group stage is about measuring how good you are , and the best way is to count games won , not series won becuase there isnt any "series" its 2 games and no one is elminiated , whatever , if you think group stage is useless then you are clueless.


No need for the personal attacks.

Yes, I think that 1st or 4th makes next to no difference. Picking your opponent between 3rd and 4th is such a marginal advantage.

what do you think about ehome? since you know they won even more games than og


What about Ehome? This isn't Azarkon, I don't judge on nationalities, the same should go for Ehome...

There should be an advantage for doing well in the group stage. MLG in SC2 took it to the extreme, but the 3 days of group stages now are not very important.

Hell, even the group stages for the 5th-8th teams are useless, since you play all these games, to have your fate decided in a Bo1. The 8th team can easy beat the 5th team say 30% of the time, and it's just way too much randomness for no reason, and gets rid of the useful of group stages, besides letting a meta develop.

i dont give a shit if you are azarkon dude. im just saying that they won more games than og and that means that they should get an even bigger advantage in your opinion

just be honest. would u have said the same thing about navi at ti2? cause they were 4th in their group
FTD
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 08 2016 21:13 GMT
#1530
On August 09 2016 06:09 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.

MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/



lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP?


Last time I'll say it:

Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage.


If you're bottom four you have to play a fucking bo1 and get seeded into the lower bracket. Number one team gets to pick between #3 or #4 in upper bracket. Number one team shits the bed and is now in losers. I don't understand your issue with the format. If it was TI4 style and OG played like that they'd still end up in losers lol.


You're correct, this is the only time in 7 sets that the number one seed from a group has lost. At TI2, TI3, and TI5, the group winners all beat the teams they picked in the first round.

It's like saying there's no advantage to being the number one seed in the NBA, since facing the 8th best team in your conference isn't that much better than facing the 5th best.
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 08 2016 21:13 GMT
#1531
On August 09 2016 06:12 DV G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:09 sunrazgriz wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:08 nojok wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:07 Kipsate wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:04 nojok wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:01 Kipsate wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:59 nojok wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:58 Kipsate wrote:
MVP=Portugal

Why you remind me such paiunful memories? You want me to bring back some Dutch finals into the mix?

woah dude uncalled for.

Spain 2010

French team 2010

lol.

Netherland 2016

Cleveland Cavaliers 2016



Argentina 2014 2015 2016



Oh i thought we were saying shit about teams

ohh okay any messi team 2016 then
6nnn
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 08 2016 21:13 GMT
#1532
On August 09 2016 06:12 ZeaL. wrote:
Yeah I'm pretty sure any DC fanboy would be happy to see Wings move on.

As far as I can tell, DC doesn't even have rabid fanboys anyway.
kiss kiss fall in love
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
August 08 2016 21:13 GMT
#1533
Sorry but if you bomb in groups, win a fucking bo1 and somehow climb back to win all of TI you deserve it more than any other team. Not to mention how incredibly hype that would be.

Eliminating half the field after groups means people who travel half way around the world might not even see their favorite team play at TI.

It's cool if you liked the old system but I think you're a very small minority.
Aezo-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada378 Posts
August 08 2016 21:13 GMT
#1534
In the Losers Bracket it's b01 for the first round, but is it b01 or b03 in the second round? When OG plays VGR/TNC is it a b03 again?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 21:14:09
August 08 2016 21:13 GMT
#1535
On August 09 2016 06:13 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:09 overt wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:05 dutchfriese wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.

MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/



lol what? didn't OG get to pick MVP?


Last time I'll say it:

Choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group isn't much of an advantage. Look at TI4 group stage to see a meaningful group stage.


If you're bottom four you have to play a fucking bo1 and get seeded into the lower bracket. Number one team gets to pick between #3 or #4 in upper bracket. Number one team shits the bed and is now in losers. I don't understand your issue with the format. If it was TI4 style and OG played like that they'd still end up in losers lol.


You're correct, this is the only time in 7 sets that the number one seed from a group has lost. At TI2, TI3, and TI5, the group winners all beat the teams they picked in the first round.

It's like saying there's no advantage to being the number one seed in the NBA, since facing the 8th best team in your conference isn't that much better than facing the 5th best.

It sets bad precedent for my prediction of EHOME rolling everyone this TI with smallest hero pool of all teams (except ESC because lol).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 08 2016 21:14 GMT
#1536
On August 09 2016 06:09 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 06:05 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:02 bluzi wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:56 kju wrote:
On August 09 2016 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What a dumb system.

MVP doesn't win a single series, and they get upper bracket. Why not make the group stages even more useless =/

no excuse for eu dota shitting the bed yet again at ti


This has nothing to do with regions. Just odd that you don't win a SINGLE series, and now you win one, and you're automatically top 6?


Whats wrong with you ? series didnt mean anything it was about games won , they won enough games to get 4th , the group stage is about measuring how good you are , and the best way is to count games won , not series won becuase there isnt any "series" its 2 games and no one is elminiated , whatever , if you think group stage is useless then you are clueless.


No need for the personal attacks.

Yes, I think that 1st or 4th makes next to no difference. Picking your opponent between 3rd and 4th is such a marginal advantage.

what do you think about ehome? since you know they won even more games than og


What about Ehome? This isn't Azarkon, I don't judge on nationalities, the same should go for Ehome...

There should be an advantage for doing well in the group stage. MLG in SC2 took it to the extreme, but the 3 days of group stages now are not very important.

Different day, different performance, different opponents. These guys are human, not robots, not even Miracle.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
August 08 2016 21:14 GMT
#1537
On August 09 2016 06:13 Aezo- wrote:
In the Losers Bracket it's b01 for the first round, but is it b01 or b03 in the second round? When OG plays VGR/TNC is it a b03 again?


Bo3 I believe
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 08 2016 21:14 GMT
#1538
On August 09 2016 06:13 overt wrote:
Sorry but if you bomb in groups, win a fucking bo1 and somehow climb back to win all of TI you deserve it more than any other team. Not to mention how incredibly hype that would be.

Eliminating half the field after groups means people who travel half way around the world might not even see their favorite team play at TI.

It's cool if you liked the old system but I think you're a very small minority.

I'm sure I am, yeah.
kiss kiss fall in love
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 08 2016 21:14 GMT
#1539
On August 09 2016 06:13 Aezo- wrote:
In the Losers Bracket it's b01 for the first round, but is it b01 or b03 in the second round? When OG plays VGR/TNC is it a b03 again?

yes, it's bo3
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 08 2016 21:14 GMT
#1540
They got to choose their opponent. That's a big enough advantage for me.
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