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Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 08 2016 00:22 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:15 Kipsate wrote:
Newbee got an invite after crushing for 3/4 months and then flailing about uselessly afterwards, there is no precedent for it beause that year didn't have majors. Newbee also kept 3/5th of their players that year just like EG.
i'd imagine they'd still invite EG. Well, China didnt play all that many tournaments, and Valve has always intended to pick a lot of Chinese teams, so it feel somewhat different. That said, I don't think EG has been poor enough, but I do feel regardless, and also for their own sake, that they start to play more tournaments.
Valve feels obligated to invite atleast 1 American team just as much as they feel like they have to invite Chinese teams I imagine and I can't see CoL getting one over EG.
That being said EG players like no games so thats kind of worrisome, it also shows in their play though. The strongest teams right now look to be the ones that play a fuckton of games, Newbee, Liquid, MVP, OG all play a lot more I think. Hell even Na`Vi and DC because they have to suffer through qualifiers etc.
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On June 08 2016 00:19 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The main problem with the hypothetical "invite all major winners + last year's TI winner to TI" compared to the "invite last year's TI winner" model is that it's possible you end up using four slots of your sixteen slots on teams that are going to be terrible for the last 6 months, rather than one. That just sucks from a competitive integrity standpoint.
It would make sense to do that in a formal qualification system-but in a formal qualification system you might not keep your qualification if you lose 40% of your team. I totally agree with this, and we have seen this tendency, because they are not threatened. They also only show up for a few select tournaments. It ought to be a problem if they don't do well there neither.
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On June 08 2016 00:27 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:22 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 08 2016 00:15 Kipsate wrote:
Newbee got an invite after crushing for 3/4 months and then flailing about uselessly afterwards, there is no precedent for it beause that year didn't have majors. Newbee also kept 3/5th of their players that year just like EG.
i'd imagine they'd still invite EG. Well, China didnt play all that many tournaments, and Valve has always intended to pick a lot of Chinese teams, so it feel somewhat different. That said, I don't think EG has been poor enough, but I do feel regardless, and also for their own sake, that they start to play more tournaments. Valve feels obligated to invite atleast 1 American team just as much as they feel like they have to invite Chinese teams I imagine and I can't see CoL getting one over EG. That being said EG players like no games so thats kind of worrisome, it also shows in their play though. The strongest teams right now look to be the ones that play a fuckton of games, Newbee, Liquid, MVP, OG all play a lot more I think. Hell even Na`Vi and DC because they have to suffer through qualifiers etc. Yes, but if DC continues, they seem like they are above EG. Of course we have seen that Valve are pushing towards having two NA teams, just like they are pushing for 2 SEA teams.
EG have never played all that many games. But since they didn't decide this roster per se, I feel they should play more.
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It's been said a million times but EG and Secret reap the rewards of playing so few games rejecting online tournies amd smaller lans
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On June 08 2016 00:29 trifecta wrote:
It's been said a million times but EG and Secret reap the rewards of playing so few games rejecting online tournies amd smaller lans
sarcasm? cause coming in last place at the major doesn't seem like much of a reward for never playing games.
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On June 08 2016 00:23 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:21 neozxa wrote:
That commitment to kill the solo support riki at the end, a ravage and a bkb.
Not sure if miscommunication or if they're just tired of it all. Can't recall the situation exactly but their smoke popped, not sure if they could have thought there is someone else close by too. But popping bkb isn't very surprising if you are expecting a sand king to come your way.
IIRC they were literally infront of their base and they saw Riki, commited a 1 man ravage and a BKB, getting the kill, and then Empire just backs off and pushes again after BKB is down. I may be 3k but I'm willing to bet that was definitely not worth it.
Maybe they were under a lot of heat, maybe Universe was just following EE's calls and trying to coordinate with his decisions, but honestly Puppey needs to be the one calling all the shots not EE.
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I doubt they will invite Secret. These performances are just too bad, and I don't think one can count Frankfurt and Shanghai results in full due to the lineup difference, even if you wanted to reward teams for performances from the entire year. If it was close on who to invite based on Manila and recent results I think they would give Secret the nod because of what the players have achieved in the past year. But this lineup has no noteworthy results, so I doubt they will get in.
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Russian Federation3331 Posts
On June 08 2016 00:15 Saber_Rider wrote:
Sooo.... just checked the VOD... that "Battleview" needs be taken out back and shot ASAP. Who's idea was that? The HP bars on separate sides of the screen, really?... Maybe I'm just old and grumpy
you're not the only one. a lot of us think that too much is not the best way. the hp was honestly one of my least favorite things as i just found myself looking at everyone's hp bars. zooming out too much threw me off, as i never see battles from that angle when i'm playing or watching the game. takes a bit of the familiarity out of it
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On June 08 2016 00:27 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:22 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 08 2016 00:15 Kipsate wrote:
Newbee got an invite after crushing for 3/4 months and then flailing about uselessly afterwards, there is no precedent for it beause that year didn't have majors. Newbee also kept 3/5th of their players that year just like EG.
i'd imagine they'd still invite EG. Well, China didnt play all that many tournaments, and Valve has always intended to pick a lot of Chinese teams, so it feel somewhat different. That said, I don't think EG has been poor enough, but I do feel regardless, and also for their own sake, that they start to play more tournaments. Valve feels obligated to invite atleast 1 American team just as much as they feel like they have to invite Chinese teams I imagine and I can't see CoL getting one over EG. That being said EG players like no games so thats kind of worrisome, it also shows in their play though. The strongest teams right now look to be the ones that play a fuckton of games, Newbee, Liquid, MVP, OG all play a lot more I think. Hell even Na`Vi and DC because they have to suffer through qualifiers etc.
DC got two major winners on their roster and they have the strongest NA team at the moment. Seems like a nobrainer to invite them over any other NA team IMO
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On June 08 2016 00:29 trifecta wrote:
It's been said a million times but EG and Secret reap the rewards of playing so few games rejecting online tournies amd smaller lans
On May 11 2016 23:21 Faruko wrote:
I write this in GD but i guess its relevant here
im not sure but secret and other teams could sing up for more online leagues, those really help.
in csgo you can see navi, lg, astralis, etc... playing online qualifiers ALL the time, almost no team is invited right away to big tournaments (besdies major to major in the leged status). Ok there are some tournaments with invite system but almost every week that theres not a tournament you can see top teams battling each other in some league
Im not sure why but feels like that playing qualifiers (or online leagues for all that matter) is like "bad" in dota 2, like if you do those you must suck and whatsoever. Secret is 5-11 with this line up and has yet to win a single boX
Scrims are good and whatnot, but you need some of the real deal to keep you on your toes, that theres actually something to lose on the line
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On June 08 2016 00:30 neozxa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:23 spudde123 wrote:On June 08 2016 00:21 neozxa wrote:
That commitment to kill the solo support riki at the end, a ravage and a bkb.
Not sure if miscommunication or if they're just tired of it all. Can't recall the situation exactly but their smoke popped, not sure if they could have thought there is someone else close by too. But popping bkb isn't very surprising if you are expecting a sand king to come your way. IIRC they were literally infront of their base and they saw Riki, commited a 1 man ravage and a BKB, getting the kill, and then Empire just backs off and pushes again after BKB is down. I may be 3k but I'm willing to bet that was definitely not worth it. Maybe they were under a lot of heat, maybe Universe was just following EE's calls and trying to coordinate with his decisions, but honestly Puppey needs to be the one calling all the shots not EE.
It was in front of rosh, not in front of their base. And in that area there are a bunch of trees so someone can be to the left, Sand King can easily load up his ult in the rosh pit and jump to counter initiate.
Also not sure what this Puppey vs EE calling something speculation is about.
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On June 08 2016 00:30 Ravensong170 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:29 trifecta wrote:
It's been said a million times but EG and Secret reap the rewards of playing so few games rejecting online tournies amd smaller lans sarcasm? cause coming in last place at the major doesn't seem like much of a reward for never playing games.
the reward is sitting in ur penthouse in turkey watching netflix with the cs go grill squad. i'd take that over winning dota any day honestly.
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On June 08 2016 00:33 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:30 Ravensong170 wrote:On June 08 2016 00:29 trifecta wrote:
It's been said a million times but EG and Secret reap the rewards of playing so few games rejecting online tournies amd smaller lans sarcasm? cause coming in last place at the major doesn't seem like much of a reward for never playing games. the reward is sitting in ur penthouse in turkey watching netflix with the cs go grill squad. i'd take that over winning dota any day honestly.
Do the players on Secret do that, or just the owner? 
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On June 08 2016 00:33 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:30 Ravensong170 wrote:On June 08 2016 00:29 trifecta wrote:
It's been said a million times but EG and Secret reap the rewards of playing so few games rejecting online tournies amd smaller lans sarcasm? cause coming in last place at the major doesn't seem like much of a reward for never playing games. the reward is sitting in ur penthouse in turkey watching netflix with the cs go grill squad. i'd take that over winning dota any day honestly.
hahhaha you are really joking yourself if you think the Turk Billionaire won't disband the current Team Secret immediately after Manila ends and form a new one.
the only netflix ppy, RTC, EE, pld and universe will watch is the netflix back in their respective apartment
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On June 08 2016 00:26 Nedereden wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:19 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The main problem with the hypothetical "invite all major winners + last year's TI winner to TI" compared to the "invite last year's TI winner" model is that it's possible you end up using four slots of your sixteen slots on teams that are going to be terrible for the last 6 months, rather than one. That just sucks from a competitive integrity standpoint.
It would make sense to do that in a formal qualification system-but in a formal qualification system you might not keep your qualification if you lose 40% of your team. You talk like winning a major is some no-talent giveaway. Winning a Major is as good as winning a TI in terms of competition and skill-required. So if you get to be invited for a competion one year ago... how is the same logic forgotten for competitions 3,6 and 9 months ago?
I don't think it's terribly great for TI winners to get re-invited either from a competitive integrity standpoint. But the problems that introduces are hugely exacerbated when you end up spending a quarter of your slots on teams that could be shit (well, it's pretty unlikely the winner of the last major is shit for TI since rosters are still locked).
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On June 08 2016 00:33 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:30 Ravensong170 wrote:On June 08 2016 00:29 trifecta wrote:
It's been said a million times but EG and Secret reap the rewards of playing so few games rejecting online tournies amd smaller lans sarcasm? cause coming in last place at the major doesn't seem like much of a reward for never playing games. the reward is sitting in ur penthouse in turkey watching netflix with the cs go grill squad. i'd take that over winning dota any day honestly.
Those hard-earned prize money are well-spent! On a side note, maybe ppy should apply to NaVi after TI6
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Rosters are locked till international right?
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On June 08 2016 00:33 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:30 Ravensong170 wrote:On June 08 2016 00:29 trifecta wrote:
It's been said a million times but EG and Secret reap the rewards of playing so few games rejecting online tournies amd smaller lans sarcasm? cause coming in last place at the major doesn't seem like much of a reward for never playing games. the reward is sitting in ur penthouse in turkey watching netflix with the cs go grill squad. i'd take that over winning dota any day honestly.
That doesn't sound like a good life, maybe for a teenager. Working and achieving your dreams sounds a lot better.
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On June 08 2016 00:41 Kipsate wrote:
Rosters are locked till international right?
Changing roster means you have to go through open qualifiers at this point, I believe.
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Got back from the event.
I ended up missing out on the meet and greet sessions for DC and LGD but the games were fun to watch at least.
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