[Shanghai Major] Group Stage Day 1 - Page 85

On February 26 2016 00:48 Gaial wrote:
Why is this such a big deal about Ehome?

OG was in the lower bracket day 1 in Frankfurt.

On February 26 2016 00:52 spudde123 wrote:
Well to be fair EHOME looked absolutely terrible in Frankfurt too in the group stage. They lost 0-2 to Mineski and CDEC and as far as I recall changed drafters at some point too. Yet they finished 4th in the end. In general I think people look way too strongly into how a team looks on some random day when we have countless examples of situations where a team doesn't look good at all and then shows up much stronger all of a sudden. Though obviously being in the upper bracket is a much better position.

On February 26 2016 00:50 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
80% they aren't making it to Bo3s with the current state of things. Every game I've seen today was 4v5 at best. But China still has Vici/LGD, one of them is top4 guaranteed imo.

On February 26 2016 00:47 Azarkon wrote:


Not at all. But then you have to understand how Chinese Dota works to know that.

I think "Ehome is one of the favorites" is a valid statement to make, given their results, but saying "Ehome IS the favorite" is ridiculous.

On February 26 2016 00:43 Azarkon wrote:


Merlini is not Chinese in the sense of "his Chinese ancestry makes him predict Chinese teams are going to win," and it's not just them. Russian and European analysts said the same. Only about 20-30% picked PPD's team and no one picked anyone else, which is just lelz to me.

On February 26 2016 00:53 Azarkon wrote:


Difference is, during that tournament the lower group was much easier to get through, AND they were not getting beat this hard, AND they only made it to top 4 because, face it, there were only three top teams there.

On February 26 2016 00:53 Azarkon wrote:

Difference is, during that tournament the lower group was much easier to get through, AND they were not getting beat this hard, AND they only made it to top 4 because, face it, there were only three top teams there.

On February 26 2016 00:54 MaCRo.gg wrote:
China is on home turf and they are due for a win and other than EG none of the other top tier teams in EU/NA have had consistent wins against top Chinese teams since TI5. People just underestimated the New years effect and homefield hype advantage.

On February 26 2016 01:00 Azarkon wrote:


They are not "due" for a win. It doesn't work that way. Had that been the case we'd have seen them win their share of tournaments in the last eight months and yet they only won one and that was when other teams were just starting to step up their practice.

And I don't know how you can say eight months of Western victories = none of the top Western teams have had "consistent" wins against top Chinese teams except for PPD's team. Only Korea has had that level of monopoly on a scene in a popular game and you can't tell me Korean teams win every single game they ever play against other regions in League of Legends, because they don't. Even at the height of season 3 and season 4, top Korean teams were dropping games to other regions and getting eliminated by them in groups, even.

The fact that the West drops games to China does not make them any less of a favorite region in the last eight months.

On February 26 2016 01:01 Acritter wrote:
I wonder when people will learn that tournament victory predictions are utterly pointless and that the only things that analysts and commentators should remark on are which teams are in the need-to-prepare-for category and what that preparation will probably look like.

There is so much variability, especially in the early stages of a tournament, that everyone will look like fools trying to predict things. What a good analyst should try and do is write out plausible stories for every team winning and explain what would be necessary for each to come true.

That would show good understanding of the game, and if they get it right, then they would look exactly as prophetic as they really are.

On February 26 2016 01:07 MaCRo.gg wrote:

Since OG, Secret, and Alliance have followed their wins with dominant performances... smh

Are you really trying to compare Korean stomps in LoL to recent western wins in Dota? LMFAO

On February 26 2016 01:11 spudde123 wrote:
I'm a bit confused about this Chinese new year. Is it really a thing that teams stop playing dota to do some celebrating when there is a multi million dollar tournament around the corner? I can understand people taking time off in past years when there was just TI, but one would think players would do things differently this time around with such a big event right after.

On February 26 2016 01:11 spudde123 wrote:
I'm a bit confused about this Chinese new year. Is it really a thing that teams stop playing dota to do some celebrating when there is a multi million dollar tournament around the corner? I can understand people taking time off in past years when there was just TI, but one would think players would do things differently this time around with such a big event right after.

On February 26 2016 01:11 Azarkon wrote:


In the context of the last eight months? Sure, why not?

Remember: no League of Legends worlds has had two Korean teams in the finals until season 5. During season 3, one of the top 3 Korean teams at the time went out in groups against European/Chinese teams, and the other was eliminated in a region kill. During season 4, one of the top 3 Korean teams went out in the first round of play offs against European/Chinese teams, and the other was eliminated in a region kill.

That is pretty similar to how the last 12 tournaments until MDL went for the West. Top Western teams were beaten by Chinese teams, but a Western team always won in the end, and usually it was not close. The last major, for example, had three Western teams out of the top four. That's about as well as you can do in Dota given that there are only 2-3 top Western teams at any given time.