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Sloke
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany2433 Posts
January 31 2016 12:16 GMT
#481

Poll: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 2?

Yes (11)
 
73%

No (3)
 
20%

If you have time (1)
 
7%

15 total votes

Your vote: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Land of Confusion - Genesis/Disturbed/Stella Starlight Trio
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
January 31 2016 12:16 GMT
#482
Puck has like no dmg at that point and all source of dps is on morph who's getting completely bursted in fights. WTF was EG suppose to do.
Getting too old for this..
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
January 31 2016 12:16 GMT
#483
On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works

LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
January 31 2016 12:16 GMT
#484
On January 31 2016 21:14 neozxa wrote:
I turned off the stream for a while when EG was leading in like 10+ kills.

Boy was I surprised when I reopened it after switching to my computer.

Step it up please PPD T_T


Kill don't matter when Weaver/LD were still farming well, and QW Invoker doesn't need much farm to function.
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
January 31 2016 12:16 GMT
#485
I need Lanm and MMY to reunite.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
January 31 2016 12:17 GMT
#486
On January 31 2016 21:16 Danzo wrote:
Puck has like no dmg at that point and all source of dps is on morph who's getting completely bursted in fights. WTF was EG suppose to do.


burst down ehome's damage dealers but despite the horrid invoker, the disengage and reset is strong in ehome.
Rillanon.au
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-31 12:18:27
January 31 2016 12:18 GMT
#487
A four protect one line up, which is what that line up was, requires that the one is able to carry through two opponent cores. PPD thought Arteezy was able to do this but he wasn't. They need to put Sumail on a carry hero, in that case, but I have a feeling Sumail hasn't been playing any because he has limitations with the new heroes.

Not sure why they don't just Fear on a core, in that case. Their wins earlier were all through that.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 31 2016 12:19 GMT
#488
On January 31 2016 21:18 Azarkon wrote:
A four protect one line up, which is what that line up was, requires that the one is able to carry through two opponent cores. PPD thought Arteezy was able to do this but he wasn't. They need to put Sumail on a carry hero, in that case, but I have a feeling Sumail hasn't been playing any because he has limitations with the new heroes.

Not sure why they don't just Fear on a core, in that case. Their wins earlier were all through that.

I like you how turn to blaming Canadian when PPD is at fault with draft like that (hint: they got 2-0d by Alliance with similar reasons).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
January 31 2016 12:19 GMT
#489
On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works

LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased


So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games.
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
January 31 2016 12:19 GMT
#490
I don't know why there is so much hate on old chicken.
I have heard about him since he was in EP, and actually I like his style.
No something fancy and cocky, but his build and mid game decision is always on point.

It is simply some culture difference between the east and west in this game.
Chinese dota simply don't like those high risk high reward plays.
Even in pubs you can easily get flamed jumping in like sumail or w33 did.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 31 2016 12:20 GMT
#491
On January 31 2016 21:15 bluzi wrote:
Puck is still not a hero , as a mid he does almost nothing past 35 min except items he has , sad but thats how it is

puck is still good, but the hero has to be used correctly. of course puck is weaker as the game goes on but thats why u draft around the heroes strengths and not its weaknesses. ppd made the mistake of having a difficult to execute strategy by putting himself into a single core strategy instead of double core like alliance prefers it
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 31 2016 12:20 GMT
#492
On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.

wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
January 31 2016 12:21 GMT
#493
On January 31 2016 21:20 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 21:15 bluzi wrote:
Puck is still not a hero , as a mid he does almost nothing past 35 min except items he has , sad but thats how it is

puck is still good, but the hero has to be used correctly. of course puck is weaker as the game goes on but thats why u draft around the heroes strengths and not its weaknesses. ppd made the mistake of having a difficult to execute strategy by putting himself into a single core strategy instead of double core like alliance prefers it


Alliance has an off player who prefers late game carries. Universe is not that sort of player and has never been.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 31 2016 12:21 GMT
#494
On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works

LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased


So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games.


The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
January 31 2016 12:22 GMT
#495
On January 31 2016 21:19 CxWiLL wrote:
I don't know why there is so much hate on old chicken.
I have heard about him since he was in EP, and actually I like his style.
No something fancy and cocky, but his build and mid game decision is always on point.

It is simply some culture difference between the east and west in this game.
Chinese dota simply don't like those high risk high reward plays.
Even in pubs you can easily get flamed jumping in like sumail or w33 did.

He missed few spells which is enough to say that he is the worst player who has ever played Dota.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 31 2016 12:22 GMT
#496
eg, just fucking ban or pick that bear qq, lett them have visage instead.
if they lett ehome have the bear again, I am 100% sure its for practice before shanghai (even tho that sounds crazy being in a top tourney finale)
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
January 31 2016 12:23 GMT
#497
their drafts and play i felt were way too optimized on countering a specific hero on ehome's lineup (picking puck for weaver in game 2, and keeping on aiming at LD's bear on game 1, though game 1 was somewhat of a stomp).

I think that they should just focus on lineups that build their cores instead of trying to make things happen on the map ASAP like what they did in game 2.
Keep moving forward
Super_Style
Profile Joined February 2015
296 Posts
January 31 2016 12:23 GMT
#498
EG's draft needed more damage, something like aghs WD would wreck with pucks ulti in that last fight for example
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
January 31 2016 12:23 GMT
#499
On January 31 2016 21:20 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 21:15 bluzi wrote:
Puck is still not a hero , as a mid he does almost nothing past 35 min except items he has , sad but thats how it is

puck is still good, but the hero has to be used correctly. of course puck is weaker as the game goes on but thats why u draft around the heroes strengths and not its weaknesses. ppd made the mistake of having a difficult to execute strategy by putting himself into a single core strategy instead of double core like alliance prefers it


puck is considered as shit tier hero in China though.
Every day you can find a complain thread on puck in tieba (equivalent to reddit).
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
January 31 2016 12:24 GMT
#500
On January 31 2016 21:20 Atoissen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.

wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly.

He didn't get sacrificed, he just didn't play very well. In the end it was apparently good enough, so who cares.
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