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![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/1/18/MarsTV2015.jpg) PLAYOFFS DAY 4http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/MarsTV_Dota_2_League/2015/Winter
Matches start in
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r9ZH0.png) Azubu: EnglishAzubu: Russianhuomao: Chinese
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xYABn.png) Lower Bracket Final
Sunday, Jan 31 6:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/a/a0/OGLogo_std.png)  OG vs Evil Geniuses![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/2/28/Eglogo_std.png) Poll: HEAD: Who do you think will make it to the Grand Final?OG (26) 51% EG (25) 49% 51 total votes Your vote: HEAD: Who do you think will make it to the Grand Final? (Vote): OG
(Vote): EG
Poll: HEART: Who do you want to make it to the Grand Final?OG (28) 50% EG (28) 50% 56 total votes Your vote: HEART: Who do you want to make it to the Grand Final? (Vote): OG
(Vote): EG
Grand Final
Sunday, Jan 31 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/3/3b/Ehomelogo_std.png) EHOME vs EGPoll: HEAD: Who do you think will win the Grand Final?EG (25) 64% EHOME (14) 36% 39 total votes Your vote: HEAD: Who do you think will win the Grand Final? (Vote): EG
(Vote): EHOME
Poll: HEART: Who do you want to win the Grand Final?EHOME, give china a future. (22) 55% EG, west still the best. (18) 45% 40 total votes Your vote: HEART: Who do you want to win the Grand Final? (Vote): EG, west still the best.
(Vote): EHOME, give china a future.
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let's go EG!
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On January 31 2016 03:02 wooozy wrote:
let's go EG!
add another lower bracket run to the list
Which are their other lower bracket runs?
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Heart goes to OG. Mind follows.
EG are resilient. But I believe OG has more strings, if they don't corner themselves into being less than they are, and allow EG to be more.
I expect to see one game where one goes, "What were you thinking, PPD?".
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eg og LB final? It must be Frankfurt again! lets go N0tail
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I'm hoping for a CTY show.
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As much as I love EG I'm hoping China will finally win something.
EG 2-1 OG
EHome 3-2 EG
Good luck all!
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Ehome looking so stupid good right now
Their wins are so unbelievably dominant.
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Hoping and praying for OG to take it so we get a grand finals that's actually fun to watch.
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i don't care who wins as long as ehome wins
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On January 31 2016 06:28 ch33psh33p wrote:
Ehome looking so stupid good right now
Their wins are so unbelievably dominant.
I dunno, their series against OG could really have gone either way
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I was hoping EG vs OG would be the grand finals match, oh well, I'm fine with either team beating EHOME
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will earth spirit and invoker get through during eg/og or will they be banned hm hmh hm
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On January 31 2016 09:40 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 06:28 ch33psh33p wrote:
Ehome looking so stupid good right now
Their wins are so unbelievably dominant. I dunno, their series against OG could really have gone either way
yeah game 2 was close
game 1 and 3? Not even.
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Okay, time for my "pre-draft draft analysis" post. (This is a lot of fun for me, if it isn't noticeable.)
The first thing to note is that the Day 1 match between EG & OG means very little. That was 4 days and quite a lot of Meta ago. ppd isn't going to allow Fly to draft Earth Spirit + Oracle together. And OG also will be unlikely to run 4 Protect 1 strategies, which is what they were doing on that first day. (And why VG walked all over them.) I'm also a little sad that they aren't meeting in the finals because I would love to see a Bo5 between them.
Oh, OG lost Game 3 against Ehome the instant they panicked when Broodmother came out. While LGD might have over-reacted and 2nd phase banned it against EG as a result, as well, putting Fly on Position 5 Gyrocopter just obliterated everything OG does. Meepo still works, it just doesn't work without the right setup. (So expect final ban of the hero when it makes sense to by ppd.)
The contested Picks will be: Earth Spirit, Vengeful Spirit, Faceless Void & Invoker.
What to expect from EG:
When ppd has first pick, he won't ban Earth Spirit. I would expect Wisp & Invoker bans, then a first pick Vengeful Spirit if Earth Spirit is banned. I really hope he doesn't skip Earth Spirit if it's available. It almost went badly when he did against LGD in game 1. While Crit has gotten better on Earth Spirit as the tournament has gone on, he's not great on it as an active roamer in the early game. But his high ground defense is massively on-point.
If ppd has second pick, I would expect Earth Spirit & Wisp bans. That seems pretty straight forward.
Second phase bans are obviously dependent on what ppd wants to eliminate from Fly's arsenal. If ppd gets Vengeful Spirit, I'd be really curious if he doesn't ban Dazzle + Oracle. So much of what OG wants to do (with the exception of their push-strat line ups) is based off Defensive Supports + Global Ganking. OG has been favoring solid laning with that Global Ganking, which works well to pick-apart the other team's item progression and then take objectives. It also allows Miracle to carry the team hard if they get beaten in lanes. (Call it OG's "theme" they've developed in this tournament.)
Morphling is working out to be the 2nd best safe lane Carry at MDL. With so much Global Ganking (much of it due to Invoker and Zeus being popular), the stupidly hard to kill blob of water is working really well. Expect Morphling to be a feature of the 2nd phase for pick/ban.
What to expect from OG:
If Fly has first pick, he's going to ban Faceless Void and Lone Druid. Fly has pretty much banned Lone Druid almost every game this tournament. Faceless Void should be a given ban against EG, seeing how damn good Universe is on it. (And how potent FV is right now.) For first pick, I would expect Invoker, if available. Earth Spirit if ppd let's it through. Other than that, there really isn't any information to go on. He first picked Dazzle in their first series on the LAN. Wisp is highly likely to never be available.
If Fly has second pick, it's going to be Faceless Void + Earth Spirit. Picks will probably be Invoker + a support he favors. There's a pretty consistent theme to OG's drafts.
In the 2nd phase, I would expect bans targeted at whatever Fly doesn't want to deal with. Considering ppd rarely likes to pick heroes for the same players in the first phase two games in a row, it's really going to be down to what he wants to try to remove from the players left to ban. For picks, I wouldn't be surprised to see some Spirit Breaker picks for Moon in the second phase. EG has, historically, had trouble with the hero, and it will synergize really well if they can get Invoker.
There's also a good chance we see a Broodmother ban in either the 2nd or 3rd phase. Fly & ppd both know how badly caught off guard that was & how badly Fly responded. (It was a good pick for Ehome regardless, given the way the draft had played out, so cheesy it was not.) If he doesn't ban it, don't be surprised if he picks it up one game, as it would work with what OG is doing with most of their strategies. Though he won't ban if it a clear Universe hero comes out in the first phase, which could very easily happen.
Something to watch out for, in both series today:
Mid-game Vision. Not just the warding, but also heroes that grant vision. With everyone grouping up for 5-man smokes and team-fighting past 10 minutes, being able to scout out the movement is really key. This is why ppd will first phase ban Night Stalker against the Chinese teams. They know just how potent Night Stalker w/ Aghs is for making the opponent completely blind on the map. OG gets around a lot of this problem with good warding & defensive supports/play. It's hard to get picked off when you're hard to find.
Roshan Pit Fights: since Starladder, trying to sneak a Rosh works about 10% of the time. Most of the time you get wiped when you try, leading to a loss. Obviously, this is how EG tend to lose games, but it's been a running theme of 2 LANs in a row. Earth Spirit & a lot of Global Presence Heroes has a lot to do with that. It's also the reason for the TA picks as we've gotten later into the tournament.
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I have no idea how OG drafted in game 3 vs EH. I'll be happy whoever wins tho, juste hoping for good games !
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The Western team that goes through is going to win it all. Sorry Chinese teams, but you just don't have enough skills to win three games against the best of the West.
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On January 31 2016 14:26 Azarkon wrote:
The Western team that goes through is going to win it all. Sorry Chinese teams, but you just don't have enough skills to win three games against the best of the West.
I'm confident in EG beating Ehome, but we'll see if OG makes it through. We just don't have enough information on how they play on LAN, to be honest, while they also have to adjust to teams that beat them, as the tournament goes on. Part of me would like to see it. The other part of me wants EG to win.
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This is an odd comment, but the tech guys at BTS realized a few days ago that this wasn't on Twitch and they've been going nuts with the licensed music between games. It's been fun, as they have a pretty good taste for it.
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Don't see EG or OG beating EHOME. I think it is going to be 3-1 at best.
Hoping for OG vs EHOME regardless, EG too boring to watch.
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Wow, I was only thinking that ppd would give them Wisp if he was 2nd phase, so he could get Earth Spirit. I hope it doesn't backfire.
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it's been a while since last time I saw io/tiny
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letting universe have his void made EG very likely to win this regardless of the other 4
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OG drafting seem so predictable.
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Sumail Bat good game EG lost
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Well, my point about ppd targeting Fly's hero pool was going to be a key target. Seems we were on the same wavelength.
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This what PPD wants but the IO Tiny from OG is the best in the game period. Going to need a very close to perfect game from EG to counter this
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Comfort hero central for...both teams, I guess.
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Ah, okay, so ppd wants to pull OG off their defensive strategy, but their high ground defense won't be anywhere close to what they want to do.
Also, EG is going to be invis running all over the place.
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I think EG won't have enough damage agains the io/tiny in the late game.
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hmm clinkz as the only real damage dealer?
guess void needs to be in more of a carry role than tanky initiator
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On January 31 2016 15:15 CxWiLL wrote:
I think EG won't have enough damage agains the io/tiny in the late game.
That's been their biggest problem when they run Sumail on the Batrider. We'll need to watch Universe's item build.
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would like to see pro games in desert map honestly, it looks so refreshing imo.
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I don't know about that enigma pick, feel like they have enough control already
support lina actually look way better, not sure if fear play it though
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On January 31 2016 15:19 uthgard wrote:
I don't know about that enigma pick, feel like they have enough control already
support lina actually look way better, not sure if fear play it though
I would like wd or lion against the wisp,
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all these delays is triggering me.
i fucking need to study here goddamit.
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can tusk stop blackhole with snowball even if he rolls through the black hole ?
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Sumail wearing the bandana to look like bat rider's cosmetic
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On January 31 2016 15:21 Sloke wrote:
can tusk stop blackhole with snowball even if he rolls through the black hole ?
Pretty sure no; heroes in the snowball are invulnerable.
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it wouldn't be MDL without a long, awkward pause before the game actually gets going
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On January 31 2016 15:20 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 15:19 uthgard wrote:
I don't know about that enigma pick, feel like they have enough control already
support lina actually look way better, not sure if fear play it though I prefer wd or lion against the wisp.
ppd normally doesn't double up on healers, so Witch Doctor would have been a little out of the norm for his drafts. Though Lion is 8-2 at the moment, which isn't too surprising, given the "erase Hero" function is really powerful right now.
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The chinese main stream production is srsly good from what I can tell. Why didn't they give BTS access to it ... BTS is just a musicstream inbetween matches. And ingame BTS has no extra coverage or stats whatsoever.
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Enigma and clinkz,some classic io tiny counters
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Good lord what's even going on
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OG returning to their old Tiny+Wisp stand-by nice.
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the english stream are around 3 minutes behind chinese stream for some reason
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On January 31 2016 15:31 uthgard wrote:
the english stream are around 3 minutes behind chinese stream for some reason
Dota TV issues, when they went to reconnect. So they're in DotaTV rather than as a spectator, I believe.
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wisp on winter terrain is invisible
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that went more than badly for OG
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this winter and desert terrain gives me hallucinations..why are they not using normal map? it feels like a headache watching sand and ice map
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On January 31 2016 15:35 Kamisamanachi wrote:
this winter and desert terrain gives me hallucinations..why are they not using normal map? it feels like a headache watching sand and ice map
noone gives a damn on BTS production
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On January 31 2016 15:35 Kamisamanachi wrote:
this winter and desert terrain gives me hallucinations..why are they not using normal map? it feels like a headache watching sand and ice map
It's a little rough.
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You probably won't see this again: ppd has more Last Hits than the other teams 3, 4 & 5 at 7 minutes.
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OG crumbling...i've seen more io+tiny backfiring and straight up failing in last few days than being sucessfull
doesnt help with the fact that EG's roatations are on point this game
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I'm liking this EG, I bet they can beat EHOME
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well, this is one quick game 1
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WTF this looks like a different EG holy shit.
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EG's completely broken down OG so far.
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EG don't even nee the black hole :o
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On January 31 2016 15:45 Danzo wrote:
WTF this looks like a different EG holy shit.
Yeah this is great from them :o
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ppd aghs for the first time ever
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Be careful: they can still screw up at Roshan Pit. But the point of the draft was to force them off defensive supports AND prevent easy global ganking. Mission accomplished.
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EG are adapting to what they need to do against ehome..either go aggression or stall ehome's over aggression
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Well this is going soooooo well
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this game 1 from EG is quite nice to watch. perfect plays all around
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It should also be noted, EG won 29-2 in Game 1 against OG at Frankfurt, before losing the series 1-2.
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A near perfect dismantling of OG there.
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OG just got absolutely dumpstered
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EG: "sry, not out of ults yet"
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Poll: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 1?Yes (7) 47% No (7) 47% If you have time (1) 7% 15 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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blown the fuck out
worse than a 7k versus 1k pub match
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that was just PPD going apeshit while drafting and just outdrafting every single pick of OG there...
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Nice bait from EG on the tiny IO , Fly will get another chance to show its worth in the next game
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On January 31 2016 15:51 DucK- wrote:
Master drafting
Wisp + Tiny burns all of the first phase picks and forces Crit onto Wisp. ppd then took out all of Fly's defensive/healing Supports and pick himself Treant Protector. That was ruthless in exploiting the weaknesses of the drafting style from Fly.
Now, however, ppd has 2nd pick. He very well might not ban Earth Spirit or Wisp. Though I'm not sure beyond Invoker what he wants to ban. He's pick up Vengeful if given the option, especially as both he and Fear play it.
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Oh, and ppd also came up with a good way of breaking high ground: Everyone gets a team fight ultimate!
Edit: if ppd is going to skip banning Earth Spirit & Wisp, it'll be Invoker + either Dazzle or Oracle. It depends what ppd wants to run with Sumail.
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Demon streaming the games on twitch btw, better quality than azubu stream if u want a change.
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yea worth reiterating that strong dual lane offlanes might be the best way overall to play bat this patch... assuming you're against a competent team that won't let bat roll over their mid, lots of which do fine vs bat anyway
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Good game from EG. Hoping they can close it now because they smashed OG in game 1 at Frankfurt and then lost, so still holding my breath.
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On January 31 2016 15:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:Oh, and ppd also came up with a good way of breaking high ground: Everyone gets a team fight ultimate! Edit: if ppd is going to skip banning Earth Spirit & Wisp, it'll be Invoker + either Dazzle or Oracle. It depends what ppd wants to run with Sumail.
I don't think either team are going to let ES go through I think. EG might let invoker wisp and pick void + invoker if OG takes wisp.
They do let wisp/invoker but OG bans void. Smart.
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IO first pick
Faceless and Treat first bans from OG
EG ban venge and ebola spirit
EG Tidehunter and Enigma!!
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incoming gyro for OG this game i think
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is this not begging for a silencer counterpick from og
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On January 31 2016 16:08 dutchfriese wrote:
incoming gyro for OG this game i think
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feel like wd should be contested now
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I have a feeling that Treant ban is going to come back to hurt OG in this draft.
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On January 31 2016 16:08 dutchfriese wrote:
incoming gyro for OG this game i think
Nice job!
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On January 31 2016 16:08 Danzo wrote:Super laggy for me :C
That's why I was hoping BTS could show the stream or something.
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You know what I just realize, when they had remade the game to AP, they never put the game on delay, so Dota TV was on sync with the actual game, or close to the main stream.
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On January 31 2016 15:58 Taf the Ghost wrote:Wisp + Tiny burns all of the first phase picks and forces Crit onto Wisp. ppd then took out all of Fly's defensive/healing Supports and pick himself Treant Protector. That was ruthless in exploiting the weaknesses of the drafting style from Fly. Now, however, ppd has 2nd pick. He very well might not ban Earth Spirit or Wisp. Though I'm not sure beyond Invoker what he wants to ban. He's pick up Vengeful if given the option, especially as both he and Fear play it.
Yep. This is the weakness when you draft with the same approach all the time, your opponents can prepare against you.
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Windrunner would be an awesome pick here for EG.
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On January 31 2016 16:12 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Witch Doctor for ppd?
wouldnt be surprising
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i really think og should take wd now...
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here comes the disaster luna or some shit
oh at least embers a good hero and possibly sumail
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The silencer pick for OG is so obvious... I don't get it.
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Nice color palette from EG there.
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why did they ban BM last ?
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How is suma1l going to get any farm :D
Viper can have 2 freak deaths in lane and still wreck ember in lane :D Assuming solo ofc :D
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On January 31 2016 16:18 DucK- wrote:
How is suma1l going to get any farm :D
the magic of bane
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On January 31 2016 16:18 DucK- wrote:
How is suma1l going to get any farm :D
From Wisp.
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I think they're going Syllabear mid and Ember safelane.
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I do love me some big teamfight spells
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That Fear was the Carry of a TI winning team comes through during some games.
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gotta commit harder to shutting down enigma i tink.... that hero can actually do things early against this team
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Holy shit this is gonna be one quick series
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Best western team, huh (OG).
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someone tell OG the game started
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rtz stepping up. Good savage roar with bear to save himself.
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i know zai has had some great enigma games, but damn fear is playing well.
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oh righ tthey buffed eidolon movespeed didnt they
fuck i should play that hero
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this is the Fear and Universe show right now
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how come so many pro dooms use this shitty tiny centaur 5% magic resist aura
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imo OG should have just went standard lanes. Gyro gets farm, Tide gets shut down, Io + Doom can get some farm, Viper can handle the lane fine.
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lol OG denied at literally every instance
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Azubu is lagging so much for me :/
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what a way to (presumably) go out, a rampant enigma two games in a row.
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On January 31 2016 16:29 woojaekeem wrote:
how come so many pro dooms use this shitty tiny centaur 5% magic resist aura
> Ok, devour off cd need to devour a small creep.
> Oh shit.
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this tournament might be over right now, PPD has figured out how to draft for this patch
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So PPD is giving them Wisp and taking greedy Enigma in return , working out great for them , enigma can put ton of pressure
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yeah pretty sure OG has given up
moon for sure is done
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On January 31 2016 16:28 Elurie wrote:
Was NS banned?
No. But it will be next series.
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I didn't realise he was online again. Good stuff, thanks!
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So if he ate the big creep there, he would have killed Enigma.
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isnt there some meme around moon's doom 0-11 or something? OG got completely schooled off IO picks in 2 games
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On January 31 2016 16:31 DucK- wrote:
So if he ate the big creep there, he would have killed Enigma.
would've killed PPD on top too if he didn't ditch his net creep
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universe is so farmed
12 min urn arc dagger
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Notail positioning caused them that fight
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what a disappointing series
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It's not EGs game yet though. OG are still quite farmed and are losing because they lack good control currently.
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Suma1l is 4 position lmao.
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sumail 4th in networth on his team lol
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On January 31 2016 16:34 DucK- wrote:
It's not EGs game yet though. OG are still quite farmed and are losing because they lack good control currently.
this is def EG's game
no universe where they lose this lol
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What a dominant showing from EG, I hope they keep up that momentum into the EHOME series
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On January 31 2016 16:36 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:34 DucK- wrote:
It's not EGs game yet though. OG are still quite farmed and are losing because they lack good control currently. this is def EG's game no universe where they lose this lol
Well, without universe they would not be winning it this hard either.
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i wonder if n0tail ench running into dire jungle with io woudlve been the play
viper safelane doom mid
probably not enough carry potential but probably wouldnt have gotten wrecked this hard
On January 31 2016 16:36 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:36 ch33psh33p wrote:On January 31 2016 16:34 DucK- wrote:
It's not EGs game yet though. OG are still quite farmed and are losing because they lack good control currently. this is def EG's game no universe where they lose this lol Well, without universe they would not be winning it this hard either.
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I dont see how a teamfight has to play out for OG to get out ahead. Some key pickoffs are the only chance imo.
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we need some 8k mmr corrosive skins from miracle
oh wait... yeah OG are fucked
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On January 31 2016 16:38 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:i wonder if n0tail ench running into dire jungle with io woudlve been the play viper safelane doom mid probably not enough carry potential but probably wouldnt have gotten wrecked this hard Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:36 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 16:36 ch33psh33p wrote:On January 31 2016 16:34 DucK- wrote:
It's not EGs game yet though. OG are still quite farmed and are losing because they lack good control currently. this is def EG's game no universe where they lose this lol Well, without universe they would not be winning it this hard either. reported
I still think Viper mid, Gyro WW bot, Doom Io top would be the best. But I have no idea why they picked WW though. Imagine if they had silencer instead.
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On January 31 2016 16:39 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:38 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:i wonder if n0tail ench running into dire jungle with io woudlve been the play viper safelane doom mid probably not enough carry potential but probably wouldnt have gotten wrecked this hard On January 31 2016 16:36 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 16:36 ch33psh33p wrote:On January 31 2016 16:34 DucK- wrote:
It's not EGs game yet though. OG are still quite farmed and are losing because they lack good control currently. this is def EG's game no universe where they lose this lol Well, without universe they would not be winning it this hard either. reported I still think Viper mid, Gyro WW bot, Doom Io top would be the best. But I have no idea why they picked WW though. Imagine if they had silencer instead.
they needed antipush
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sceptre tidehunter AWW YEAH
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ppd ahead of a core, the dream is real!
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Well this is an outclass.
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literally can't kill a single hero LOL
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This game is on moon I think
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The major mistakes in the draft by Fly:
- Banning Treant Protector. That wasn't why they won the previous game.
- Not picking up Invoker rather than Gyro. Gyro would have still been there.
- Doom. Moon needed an strong imitator.
- Fly needed a healing, defensive support.
- Viper. Miracle has been your playmaker this LAN. Viper is the anti-playmaker. Screws up your map movements.
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On January 31 2016 16:36 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:34 DucK- wrote:
It's not EGs game yet though. OG are still quite farmed and are losing because they lack good control currently. this is def EG's game no universe where they lose this lol
No Universe, you say?
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On January 31 2016 16:43 DucK- wrote:
This game is on moon I think
nah its fly 100%
stubborn insistence on drafting wisp when he's been completely figured out picking that hero
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On January 31 2016 16:43 DucK- wrote:
This game is on moon I think
he surely had almost 0 impact. And imo he could've gotten a bit more out of his lane vs tide.
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Anyone know if final is straight after this or in 2h as schedule says?
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Just spend 550 if you want magic resistance. Disables cost so much more.
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first aghanims gush in pro scene?
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wisp trying so hard to keep everyone alive
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the magic resist aura is sof cuking bad for heroes
it's only 5%
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On January 31 2016 16:45 Kreb wrote:
Anyone know if final is straight after this or in 2h as schedule says?
pretty sure EG want a pause of at least 1h
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On January 31 2016 16:45 Kreb wrote:
Anyone know if final is straight after this or in 2h as schedule says?
Considering there's a full crowd there and so on, actually waiting 2hs would be a total overkill.
A 45m break should be enough to make ehome ready, 1h at most if they want to eat/talk/discuss/get ready.-
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Wow what a stomp.I agree with Merlini,when you're one game down in an elmination bo3,you shouldnt give Miracle a Viper.
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Oh good lord I did not expect to come back to this level of one-sided games.
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Poll: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 2?No (7) 70% Yes (2) 20% If you have time (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 3?Yes (5) 45% No (4) 36% If you have time (2) 18% 11 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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Combined 7-55 score.
Pure stomp series.
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they're in a mall though
2 hours ain't no thang
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fairly certain if you replaced OG with a random collection of 4k mmr pubbers the result would've been about the same
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You can really see the limitations from OG. Ban Miracle Invoker, and go straight into their what they thought was the supreme IO line up, and EG just annihilates that strategy.
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On January 31 2016 16:44 ch33psh33p wrote:nah its fly 100% stubborn insistence on drafting wisp when he's been completely figured out picking that hero
i feel like the draft was salvagable after the first phase but viper and doom were not invovled in the answer
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No team is able to stand up to PPD for long.
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On January 31 2016 16:47 Sloke wrote:Poll: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 2?No (7) 70% Yes (2) 20% If you have time (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 3?Yes (5) 45% No (4) 36% If you have time (2) 18% 11 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EG vs OG Game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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On January 31 2016 16:45 ch33psh33p wrote:
first aghanims gush in pro scene?
ofc not when there's iceiceice
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On January 31 2016 16:45 ch33psh33p wrote:
first aghanims gush in pro scene?
ice3 did this before in this tournament itself
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On January 31 2016 16:46 Zeelah wrote:
Wow what a stomp.I agree with Merlini,when you're one game down in an elmination bo3,you shouldnt give Miracle a Viper.
I disagree. OG drafting Viper for Miracle has worked many times because it is a tanky secondary DPS core. OG just didn't expect their lane to go so horribly that Viper's early mid game strength became irrelevant.
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Pretty certain EG just ate Dota
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Lol tide ags!!! xD unigod!
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On January 31 2016 16:48 Kamisamanachi wrote:ice3 did this before in this tournament itself
damn missed out then
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On January 31 2016 16:48 Azarkon wrote:
No team is able to stand up to PPD for long.
So you expect PPD to come on top vs EHOME? they played 3 games already and they have a BO5.
He did outclass Fly for sure , Lanm is no joke and have a really deep Dota knowledge he can get creative or meta draft when needed , i would expect a really good series (but to be honest i thought this will be as well ).
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Fear has 4 of the 5 professional wins on Enigma this patch. 5-10 overall. Enigma isn't viable. Fear is just broken.
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Just hope EG vs EHOME will be the awesome series we all deserve.
Best of the west vs beast from the east.
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So....for the ones doing an all nighter for this. We looking at 60 minutes here until finals? or longer
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bets on whether or not rtz luna
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On January 31 2016 16:50 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:48 Azarkon wrote:
No team is able to stand up to PPD for long. So you expect PPD to come on top vs EHOME? they played 3 games already and they have a BO5. He did outclass Fly for sure , Lanm is no joke and have a really deep Dota knowledge he can get creative or meta draft when needed , i would expect a really good series (but to be honest i thought this will be as well ).
I'm going to be honest, but I see EG 3-0 ehome at this point. EG finally found their foot into this meta and EG is the better team.
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On January 31 2016 16:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:Fear has 4 of the 5 professional wins on Enigma this patch. 5-10 overall. Enigma isn't viable. Fear is just broken.
this is one of the most illogical thing i read on this forum..EG is the team which is fitting enigma in their draft and doing pushing with it..i am sure any other enigma player in the world would farm or do stuff the same way as fear did..it's just that their strat is utilizing enigma pick upto the fullest,
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On January 31 2016 16:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
bets on whether or not rtz luna
rtz luna if EG loses a game.
On January 31 2016 16:54 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:50 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 16:48 Azarkon wrote:
No team is able to stand up to PPD for long. So you expect PPD to come on top vs EHOME? they played 3 games already and they have a BO5. He did outclass Fly for sure , Lanm is no joke and have a really deep Dota knowledge he can get creative or meta draft when needed , i would expect a really good series (but to be honest i thought this will be as well ). I'm going to be honest, but I see EG 3-0 ehome at this point. EG finally found their foot into this meta and EG is the better team.
If you're to be honest, instead of predictions you would mention your flair :D.
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On January 31 2016 16:51 Sloke wrote:
Just hope EG vs EHOME will be the awesome series we all deserve.
Best of the west vs beast from the east.
When they met in the #2 vs #3 games, it was quite good. EG also defended a Drow strat that took a rax at 12 minutes. And were well in control of the game pretty much right after. (Seriously, it was a really good draft & hold by EG.) The other games had some of the standard EG problems: bad fights on the Radiant Offlane and team wipes at the Roshan Pit.
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On January 31 2016 16:54 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:Fear has 4 of the 5 professional wins on Enigma this patch. 5-10 overall. Enigma isn't viable. Fear is just broken. this is one of the most illogical thing i read on this forum..EG is the team which is fitting enigma in their draft and doing pushing with it..i am sure any other enigma player in the world would farm or do stuff the same way as fear did..it's just that their strat is utilizing enigma pick upto the fullest,
I think you missed that I was joking around.
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On January 31 2016 16:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
bets on whether or not rtz luna
ppd no
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Poll: HEAD: Who do you think will win the Grand Final?EG (25) 64% EHOME (14) 36% 39 total votes Your vote: HEAD: Who do you think will win the Grand Final? (Vote): EG
(Vote): EHOME
Poll: HEART: Who do you want to win the Grand Final?EHOME, give china a future. (22) 55% EG, west still the best. (18) 45% 40 total votes Your vote: HEART: Who do you want to win the Grand Final? (Vote): EG, west still the best.
(Vote): EHOME, give china a future.
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have to agree eg 3-0 ehome here
EG have almost always come back to destroy a team if they've lost to them in uppers beforehand, this will be no different
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On January 31 2016 16:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:54 Kamisamanachi wrote:On January 31 2016 16:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:Fear has 4 of the 5 professional wins on Enigma this patch. 5-10 overall. Enigma isn't viable. Fear is just broken. this is one of the most illogical thing i read on this forum..EG is the team which is fitting enigma in their draft and doing pushing with it..i am sure any other enigma player in the world would farm or do stuff the same way as fear did..it's just that their strat is utilizing enigma pick upto the fullest, I think you missed that I was joking around.
i missed humor,my bad..apologies
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On January 31 2016 16:56 ch33psh33p wrote:
have to agree eg 3-0 ehome here
EG have almost always come back to destroy a team if they've lost to them in uppers beforehand, this will be no different
Your flair is example of when it did not happen though.
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Cheering for EHOME! China need this win badly
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How long . . I wanna sleep more
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go china..me too with above guy...i would like LaNm,the big dick boy to win this thing with buildmaster CTY
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On January 31 2016 16:54 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:50 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 16:48 Azarkon wrote:
No team is able to stand up to PPD for long. So you expect PPD to come on top vs EHOME? they played 3 games already and they have a BO5. He did outclass Fly for sure , Lanm is no joke and have a really deep Dota knowledge he can get creative or meta draft when needed , i would expect a really good series (but to be honest i thought this will be as well ). I'm going to be honest, but I see EG 3-0 ehome at this point. EG finally found their foot into this meta and EG is the better team.
I don't think it's going to be an exact replay of DAC 2015. Ehome is really good, and have clearly been the top Chinese team this patch. ppd also doesn't have the benefit of a night to pre-plan for them. This could easily go 5 games. Though Ehome may be brave enough to let EG get Earth Spirit.
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On January 31 2016 16:56 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:On January 31 2016 16:54 Kamisamanachi wrote:On January 31 2016 16:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:Fear has 4 of the 5 professional wins on Enigma this patch. 5-10 overall. Enigma isn't viable. Fear is just broken. this is one of the most illogical thing i read on this forum..EG is the team which is fitting enigma in their draft and doing pushing with it..i am sure any other enigma player in the world would farm or do stuff the same way as fear did..it's just that their strat is utilizing enigma pick upto the fullest, I think you missed that I was joking around. i missed humor,my bad..apologies
All good! I should have put a semi-colon between the statements as well, so the joke was clearer.
Anyone speak/read Chinese able to figure out what's going on?
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Ehome dont play earth spirit too often and it seldom fits in their drafts ..might as well first phase ban it and get bear
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On January 31 2016 17:03 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Ehome dont play earth spirit too often and it seldom fits in their drafts ..might as well first phase ban it and get bear
kaka is 11-1 on Earth Spirit. He's got the best record & most wins with it. I'm fairly sure it's getting banned by whoever has the 2nd phase pick.
Yes, Bo5. But we don't know if it's starting "on time". If so, I'm going to bed.
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On January 31 2016 16:48 Danzo wrote:
You can really see the limitations from OG. Ban Miracle Invoker, and go straight into their what they thought was the supreme IO line up, and EG just annihilates that strategy.
You can't ban the best player in the world with just one ban
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On January 31 2016 16:56 ch33psh33p wrote:
have to agree eg 3-0 ehome here
EG have almost always come back to destroy a team if they've lost to them in uppers beforehand, this will be no different
Survival rule #2: Double tap.
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On January 31 2016 17:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 17:03 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Ehome dont play earth spirit too often and it seldom fits in their drafts ..might as well first phase ban it and get bear kaka is 11-1 on Earth Spirit. He's got the best record & most wins with it. I'm fairly sure it's getting banned by whoever has the 2nd phase pick. Yes, Bo5. But we don't know if it's starting "on time". If so, I'm going to bed.
lol, like srsly ... ES is the most played hero from EHOME xD
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does someone watch the chinese stream? who is the guy with grey hair?
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On January 31 2016 17:01 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 16:54 Danzo wrote:On January 31 2016 16:50 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 16:48 Azarkon wrote:
No team is able to stand up to PPD for long. So you expect PPD to come on top vs EHOME? they played 3 games already and they have a BO5. He did outclass Fly for sure , Lanm is no joke and have a really deep Dota knowledge he can get creative or meta draft when needed , i would expect a really good series (but to be honest i thought this will be as well ). I'm going to be honest, but I see EG 3-0 ehome at this point. EG finally found their foot into this meta and EG is the better team. I don't think it's going to be an exact replay of DAC 2015. Ehome is really good, and have clearly been the top Chinese team this patch. ppd also doesn't have the benefit of a night to pre-plan for them. This could easily go 5 games. Though Ehome may be brave enough to let EG get Earth Spirit.
Do you think they didnt prepare for EHOME ? come on , its not like they didnt knew who they are up against if they win vs OG , both teams will come ready as they can for this matchup , hoping for good games and a 3-2 to whoever
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dang! didnt wake up to the alarm, see i missed both eg games. were they complete stomps?
is there vods btw?
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Finals in 2 hours according to Charlie.
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On January 31 2016 17:11 Atoissen wrote:
dang! didnt wake up to the alarm, see i missed both eg games. were they complete stomps?
is there vods btw?
7-55 kill score, don't even bother
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On January 31 2016 17:11 fishbowl wrote:
Finals in 2 hours according to Charlie.
chinese stream says 17:30 local time that would be in 1h 18min from now
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On January 31 2016 17:12 Sloke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 17:11 fishbowl wrote:
Finals in 2 hours according to Charlie. chinese stream says 17:30 local time that would be in 1h 18min from now
Fine with me either way. Australian Open finals in 15 minutes.
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Alright well I'm off to bed, I hope the series ends up 3-1 in EG's favor
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On January 31 2016 17:15 fishbowl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 17:12 Sloke wrote:On January 31 2016 17:11 fishbowl wrote:
Finals in 2 hours according to Charlie. chinese stream says 17:30 local time that would be in 1h 18min from now Fine with me either way. Australian Open finals in 15 minutes.
Another stomp incoming.... Novak is on another level
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Before we beat up on OG for getting drug out behind the casino and beaten to death by EG, we should congratulate them on a good LAN. It's there's first competitive Dota in 6 weeks and the first on the new patch. They finished 3rd with 2-0 victories over EG, Team Spirit, Newbee, Team Secret and LGD. That's a good showing and a good tournament. Congrats to the guys. And I hope everyone isn't terribly sick as well, considering it seems like everyone has come down with something.
On a more hilarious note, has there been a Kill Score more lopsided for a series that's a Ro4 or higher at a Premier Tournament? Because that beat down was savage.
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by the way how was the turnout to the event ?
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On January 31 2016 17:26 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Before we beat up on OG for getting drug out behind the casino and beaten to death by EG, we should congratulate them on a good LAN. It's there's first competitive Dota in 6 weeks and the first on the new patch. They finished 3rd with 2-0 victories over EG, Team Spirit, Newbee, Team Secret and LGD. That's a good showing and a good tournament. Congrats to the guys. And I hope everyone isn't terribly sick as well, considering it seems like everyone has come down with something.
On a more hilarious note, has there been a Kill Score more lopsided for a series that's a Ro4 or higher at a Premier Tournament? Because that beat down was savage.
Didnt alliance just stomped EG in SL ?
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On January 31 2016 17:25 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 17:15 fishbowl wrote:On January 31 2016 17:12 Sloke wrote:On January 31 2016 17:11 fishbowl wrote:
Finals in 2 hours according to Charlie. chinese stream says 17:30 local time that would be in 1h 18min from now Fine with me either way. Australian Open finals in 15 minutes. Another stomp incoming.... Novak is on another level
Yeah. The AO is definitely Novak's tournament too. We'll see if Andy can keep his head together and follow up his brother's win. A 5 setter wouldn't be surprising if Andy is on his game, but I think Novak in 4. 3 close sets then Murray shuts down in the 4th.
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Finals up in 1 hour, win this cleanly EG.
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On January 31 2016 17:28 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 17:26 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Before we beat up on OG for getting drug out behind the casino and beaten to death by EG, we should congratulate them on a good LAN. It's there's first competitive Dota in 6 weeks and the first on the new patch. They finished 3rd with 2-0 victories over EG, Team Spirit, Newbee, Team Secret and LGD. That's a good showing and a good tournament. Congrats to the guys. And I hope everyone isn't terribly sick as well, considering it seems like everyone has come down with something.
On a more hilarious note, has there been a Kill Score more lopsided for a series that's a Ro4 or higher at a Premier Tournament? Because that beat down was savage. Didnt alliance just stomped EG in SL ?
Yes. And it was almost as bad.
The worst in my memory was Alliance against LGD at G-1 league before TI3 because it was a finals.
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missed EG vs OG.
worth watching the series or just a game or what?
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On January 31 2016 17:46 trinxified wrote:
missed EG vs OG.
worth watching the series or just a game or what?
Watch the drafts. No, seriously. That's the really interesting parts. The rest is just EG stomping all over OG.
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On January 31 2016 17:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 17:46 trinxified wrote:
missed EG vs OG.
worth watching the series or just a game or what? Watch the drafts. No, seriously. That's the really interesting parts. The rest is just EG stomping all over OG.
lol what happened during drafts? can't I just see the draft order/picks anyway
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On January 31 2016 17:48 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 17:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:On January 31 2016 17:46 trinxified wrote:
missed EG vs OG.
worth watching the series or just a game or what? Watch the drafts. No, seriously. That's the really interesting parts. The rest is just EG stomping all over OG. lol what happened during drafts? can't I just see the draft order/picks anyway
Draft order, that's what. And frankly, that's the only interesting part since the whole stomps happened in draft stage.
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So..... where's the finals?
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if we can take anything from the chinese stream: the next hero could be monkey king
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Poll: HEAD: Who do you think will win the Grand Final?EG (25) 64% EHOME (14) 36% 39 total votes Your vote: HEAD: Who do you think will win the Grand Final? (Vote): EG
(Vote): EHOME
Poll: HEART: Who do you want to win the Grand Final?EHOME, give china a future. (22) 55% EG, west still the best. (18) 45% 40 total votes Your vote: HEART: Who do you want to win the Grand Final? (Vote): EG, west still the best.
(Vote): EHOME, give china a future.
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Lets gooo! been enjoying this tournament overall immensely.
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Come on boys let's cap off a great tourny =)
Are finals bo3 or 5?
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On January 31 2016 18:49 Asha wrote:
Come on boys let's cap off a great tourny =)
Are finals bo3 or 5?
should be bo5
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On January 31 2016 18:56 Sloke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 18:49 Asha wrote:
Come on boys let's cap off a great tourny =)
Are finals bo3 or 5? should be bo5
a) awesome
b) i should start planning to lose half my day huh? =D
(although all the close series up to this point means finals are guaranteed to disappoint...)
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Go ehome, restore China's pride. Also this countdown was a fucking lie.
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BO5 finals and it hasn't started yet and I'm falling asleep on my keyboard. These tournaments are a pain for NA viewers. :C
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On January 31 2016 19:02 Danzo wrote:
BO5 finals and it hasn't started yet and I'm falling asleep on my keyboard. These tournaments are a pain for NA viewers. :C
Shouldn't it be early morning there now?
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the players are sitting in their booths for at least 15 minutes
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So... WHEN is it starting??
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On January 31 2016 19:02 Danzo wrote:
BO5 finals and it hasn't started yet and I'm falling asleep on my keyboard. These tournaments are a pain for NA viewers. :C
This is what TI feels like for us on this side of the world :/
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On January 31 2016 19:05 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:02 Danzo wrote:
BO5 finals and it hasn't started yet and I'm falling asleep on my keyboard. These tournaments are a pain for NA viewers. :C Shouldn't it be early morning there now?
It's 4am where I'm at. I should be sleeping right now but I'm staying up.
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On January 31 2016 19:09 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:05 Yurie wrote:On January 31 2016 19:02 Danzo wrote:
BO5 finals and it hasn't started yet and I'm falling asleep on my keyboard. These tournaments are a pain for NA viewers. :C Shouldn't it be early morning there now? It's 4am where I'm at. I should be sleeping right now but I'm staying up.
3am here, I feel you.
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I'm watching Chinese stream and draft started? Did LD fall asleep?
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On January 31 2016 19:12 Danzo wrote:
I'm watching Chinese stream and draft started? Did LD fall asleep?
they are some minutes behind the chinese stream.
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Oh it's kotlguy and godz for the finals. premier talent from bts for the biggest games eh >_>
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On January 31 2016 19:12 Asha wrote:
Oh it's kotlguy and godz for the finals. premier talent from bts for the biggest games eh >_>
I guess LD really did go asleep.
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On January 31 2016 19:12 Asha wrote:
Oh it's kotlguy and godz for the finals. premier talent from bts for the biggest games eh >_>
There's always Bulldog + s4, casters that even Loda would be happy with.
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On January 31 2016 19:14 traumatism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:12 Asha wrote:
Oh it's kotlguy and godz for the finals. premier talent from bts for the biggest games eh >_> There's always Bulldog + s4, casters that even Loda would be happy with.
I don't really like Bulldog much & normally I do actually prefer cast teams over pro casts. That and Bulldog's stream is a million years behind
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Is EG going to go Drow visage? The opening is good for it.
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On January 31 2016 19:17 Diavlo wrote:
Is EG going to go Drow visage? The opening is good for it.
did they ever play it? who would play visage?
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On January 31 2016 19:21 Sloke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:17 Diavlo wrote:
Is EG going to go Drow visage? The opening is good for it. did they ever play it? who would play visage?
fear plays it normally
and they've done it b4 to much success
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here comes the bears.
I just love the way lamn draft.
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fuzzy wuzzy!? what a last pick
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Big first fight blood for EHOME against the aggressive tri
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I watched too many goblak's game, I'm surprised this treant is not jungling.
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Kaka's Tusk ganks are pretty spotty so far
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On January 31 2016 19:33 Asha wrote:
Kaka's Tusk ganks are pretty spotty so far
Was Lina's fault they didn't kill Invoker. Top death was a bit meh though yeah
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On January 31 2016 07:29 Dysisa wrote:
Hoping and praying for OG to take it so we get a grand finals that's actually fun to watch.
I FUCKING JINXED IT
This is the absolute worst timeline, I ruined everything.
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On January 31 2016 19:34 Dysisa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 07:29 Dysisa wrote:
Hoping and praying for OG to take it so we get a grand finals that's actually fun to watch. I FUCKING JINXED IT This is the absolute worst timeline, I ruined everything.
This game's fun so far, though
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On January 31 2016 19:12 Asha wrote:
Oh it's kotlguy and godz for the finals. premier talent from bts for the biggest games eh >_>
Hi =)
I don't get what BTS is doing, they could use some images from the live setup, they could give us some LD Godz greatness...working is hard :o
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why is kaka choking so hard
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Ursa, lion and lina kinda makes the healing part of EG's line up worthless.
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Questioning the MoM myself tbh
why not just morbid mask straight into blink?
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Bulldog playing prophet would have killed everyone in that invoker gank, but no, farming ancient is more important than TP into triple kill.
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Man, I slept through the OG games. What happened? Miracle was looking strong. Did EG just happen to them or something?
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On January 31 2016 19:42 Acritter wrote:
Man, I slept through the OG games. What happened? Miracle was looking strong. Did EG just happen to them or something?
Fly drafted wisp.
And then when down in games picked Viper for Miracle.
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Ehome's players are actually so sick. All 5 of them can play both space creation or farming roles
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On January 31 2016 19:42 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:42 Acritter wrote:
Man, I slept through the OG games. What happened? Miracle was looking strong. Did EG just happen to them or something? Fly drafted wisp. And then when down in games picked Viper for Miracle.
That'd do it. Just because you can Viper doesn't mean you should.
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Diffuse Diffuse Diffuse DIFFFUUUSSSEEE
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feel like EG's lineup is a little too midgame centric this game. they arent really a team that likes to be pushed to win like that
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On January 31 2016 19:42 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:42 Acritter wrote:
Man, I slept through the OG games. What happened? Miracle was looking strong. Did EG just happen to them or something? Fly drafted wisp. And then when down in games picked Viper for Miracle.
They had more problems than the Viper pick though :p
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On January 31 2016 19:46 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 19:42 Acritter wrote:
Man, I slept through the OG games. What happened? Miracle was looking strong. Did EG just happen to them or something? Fly drafted wisp. And then when down in games picked Viper for Miracle. They had more problems than the Viper pick though :p
But had Miracle on Viper instead of something that wins the game.
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On January 31 2016 19:44 babysimba wrote:
Ehome's players are actually so sick. All 5 of them can play both space creation or farming roles
Is getting killed equivalent to making room? All I see from Ehome are movement mistakes whenever they're not together.
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haha after seeing laguna and finger, I gotta watch bulldog stream.
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Always very enjoyable to see finger and laguna land at the same time to erase someone
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On January 31 2016 19:49 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:44 babysimba wrote:
Ehome's players are actually so sick. All 5 of them can play both space creation or farming roles Is getting killed equivalent to making room? All I see from Ehome are movement mistakes whenever they're not together.
Obviously.
Because EG are making mistakes when together :D
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this kaka kids a mega choker if ehome loses this series i bet itll be on him
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On January 31 2016 19:49 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:44 babysimba wrote:
Ehome's players are actually so sick. All 5 of them can play both space creation or farming roles Is getting killed equivalent to making room? All I see from Ehome are movement mistakes whenever they're not together.
how can a team with oldchicken beat og and possibly eg?
how can 8k mmr lose to him 1v1?
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love seeing Fuzzy rape people
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On January 31 2016 19:53 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:49 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 19:44 babysimba wrote:
Ehome's players are actually so sick. All 5 of them can play both space creation or farming roles Is getting killed equivalent to making room? All I see from Ehome are movement mistakes whenever they're not together. how can a team with oldchicken beat og and possibly eg? how can 8k mmr lose to him 1v1?
Because supports and off player. Also, who lost to him in middle again?
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what is kaka doing
he's gone full tilt this game
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On January 31 2016 19:56 malcram wrote:
3 bear strat
maybe we can count the tusk as the fourth.
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Sumail does nothing actually
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There's always g2, dropping a game isn't much to EG
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i don't even know what ursa agh's does... lol
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this tree is a lot weakerwhen its not a dual offlane tree batrider
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On January 31 2016 19:57 malcram wrote:
i don't even know what ursa agh's does... lol
makes Ulty available like Abba in stun and silencer and makes it 18 sec cd for me that is pretty good upgrade!
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The bear took a lot of punishment this game but THE BEAR ate EG
whoop whoop nice g1 :D
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Lmao, timing blink by LanM
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don't think eg expected to lose their aggro trilane so badly
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The bears & lasers team did it!
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This was a really good ursa game, and it proved to be true
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On January 31 2016 19:57 Acritter wrote:
There's always g2, dropping a game isn't much to EG
All the 3-0 predictions look pretty hilarious now, even if i think EG wins this 3-1 or 3-2.
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EHOME is really an interesting team
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On January 31 2016 19:59 Exoteric wrote:
don't think eg expected to lose their aggro trilane so badly
was that a slardar treant witch lane?
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On January 31 2016 20:00 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:57 Acritter wrote:
There's always g2, dropping a game isn't much to EG All the 3-0 predictions look pretty hilarious now, even if i think EG wins this 3-1 or 3-2.
This 5th pick was kinda sick though, it should force ppd to draft cautiously.
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On January 31 2016 20:00 HammerKick wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:59 Exoteric wrote:
don't think eg expected to lose their aggro trilane so badly was that a slardar treant witch lane?
yeah vs. ursa tusk lion
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I still don't see EG losing a bo5, but EHOME showing that they can pull good performances with very diverse picks is so great to see.
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Aggro trilane really needed to shut down ursa, but the tusk plays really secure them a snowballing monster Ursa. Wp ehome gogogog game 2.
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Poll: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 1?Yes (12) 86% If you have time (2) 14% No (0) 0% 14 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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On January 31 2016 20:00 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 19:57 Acritter wrote:
There's always g2, dropping a game isn't much to EG All the 3-0 predictions look pretty hilarious now, even if i think EG wins this 3-1 or 3-2.
? Who the fuck predicts 3-0? Even when EG's at their most dominant, they tend to drop a game or two when picking up tournament wins. EG is looking pretty weak overall this tournament, compared to past form, so thinking that they're gonna 3-0 is insane.
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On January 31 2016 20:06 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 19:57 Acritter wrote:
There's always g2, dropping a game isn't much to EG All the 3-0 predictions look pretty hilarious now, even if i think EG wins this 3-1 or 3-2. ? Who the fuck predicts 3-0? Even when EG's at their most dominant, they tend to drop a game or two when picking up tournament wins. EG is looking pretty weak overall this tournament, compared to past form, so thinking that they're gonna 3-0 is insane.
Acritter , you should know this forum by now , TONS of ppl said it without taking into account anything that happened so far in the tourny , they all went sheepish "look they owned 2-0 OG , they will now 3-0 , ppd figured it out" , EG are not invincible they are the #1 team in the world no doubt , but they are losing games left and right.
I will say that EG draft was crazy weird and their decision to go farm in the early mid game was accepting defeat , altough i guess they couldnt pressure anymore.
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On January 31 2016 20:06 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 19:57 Acritter wrote:
There's always g2, dropping a game isn't much to EG All the 3-0 predictions look pretty hilarious now, even if i think EG wins this 3-1 or 3-2. ? Who the fuck predicts 3-0? Even when EG's at their most dominant, they tend to drop a game or two when picking up tournament wins. EG is looking pretty weak overall this tournament, compared to past form, so thinking that they're gonna 3-0 is insane.
Read this LR, after OG series some were seriously predicting 3-0.
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Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits.
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On January 31 2016 20:11 Azarkon wrote:
Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits.
Is this guy a meme or what
And in that case can I get banned for quoting him?
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2nd pick Rubick?
On January 31 2016 20:15 EmilA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:11 Azarkon wrote:
Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits. Is this guy a meme or what And in that case can I get banned for quoting him?
Yes to both
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On January 31 2016 20:11 Azarkon wrote:
Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits.
They still have a negative record in term of maps this tournament, that's not just one game. They're still the best team around but not by a big margin.
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Both teams have about an even chance to win the series at this point. EHOME is playing really well this event, and EG can always pull out miracles in long series. I can't call it any other way.
I do believe that if this goes to a game 5, EG have a significant advantage, though.
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I'm not sure EG will win that, actually I'm surprised you guys keep thinking they'll win.
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On January 31 2016 19:58 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
this tree is a lot weakerwhen its not a dual offlane tree batrider
wonder if the trees coming back out cuz of htis
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On January 31 2016 20:11 Azarkon wrote:
Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits.
Since i am bored in downtime, done h2h scores:
EG vs VG: 2-3 in favor of VG
OG vs VG: 0-2 in favor of VG
EG vs LGD: 2-1 in favor of EG
OG vs LGD: 2-0 in favor of OG
EHOME vs OG: 2-1 in favor of EHOME
LGD vs Secret: 2-1 in favor of LGD
Newbee vs Secret: 2-1 in favor of Newbee
OG vs Newbee: 2-0 in favor of OG
EG vs Newbee: 2-1 in favor of EG
So, 5 vs 4 in favor of China, you lose.
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why did EHOME ban ES themselfs 1st ban? pretty sure EG would ahve banned it 2nd and if not they still could banned it as their 2nd? hm ...
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On January 31 2016 20:18 Sloke wrote:
why did EHOME ban ES themselfs 1st ban? pretty sure EG would ahve banned it 2nd and if not they still could banned it as their 2nd? hm ...
Yeah, ehome could afford to let fear's ES goes through.
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On January 31 2016 20:18 Sloke wrote:
why did EHOME ban ES themselfs 1st ban? pretty sure EG would ahve banned it 2nd and if not they still could banned it as their 2nd? hm ...
Probably that they wanted LD more.
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Morph against yolo push?
EG are brave folks.
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On January 31 2016 20:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
Morph against yolo push?
EG are brave folks.
They did it before against VG lol
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On January 31 2016 20:11 Azarkon wrote:
Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits.
4/6 teams are chinese though.
its basically like it has ever been, there are a few top tier western teams. maybe 1, maybe 2 and then there is a whole lot of nothingness while the chinese have a higher density in top tier teams. the only time when this was different was around ti3 and around the frankfurt major this year.
it seems that we are back to good old dota of (insert random team) vs the chinese.
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Oh hey Dirge, long time no see.
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On January 31 2016 20:18 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:11 Azarkon wrote:
Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits. Since i am bored in downtime, done h2h scores: EG vs VG: 2-3 in favor of VG OG vs VG: 0-2 in favor of VG EG vs LGD: 2-1 in favor of EG OG vs LGD: 2-0 in favor of OG EHOME vs OG: 2-1 in favor of EHOME LGD vs Secret: 2-1 in favor of LGD Newbee vs Secret: 2-1 in favor of Newbee OG vs Newbee: 2-0 in favor of OG EG vs Newbee: 2-1 in favor of EG So, 5 vs 4 in favor of China, you lose.
Wins are not born equal. Wins later in a tournament are of higher value, and require higher skill to obtain. This is why I examine tournament results and not individual game scores.
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morphling, now we have a real game.
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On January 31 2016 20:22 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:11 Azarkon wrote:
Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits. 4/6 teams are chinese though. its basically like it has ever been, there are a few top tier western teams. maybe 1, maybe 2 and then there is a whole lot of nothingness while the chinese have a higher density in top tier teams. the only time when this was different was around ti3 and around the frankfurt major this year. it seems that we are back to good old dota of (insert random team) vs the chinese.
There's still 2-3 Western teams I'd place above Chinese teams, and the top Chinese teams have not been able to take a tournament from those teams for the last 10 months. This shows a difference in class and it is simply wrong to think of it as the Chinese having a higher quantity of top teams.
The Chinese have a higher quantity of above average teams. They have, however, few/no teams that win tournaments.
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does ehome know something that jacky maod oesnt about weaver
cuz im still not a beleaver
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I hope it's an old school abba weaver lane
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On January 31 2016 20:23 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:18 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 20:11 Azarkon wrote:
Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits. Since i am bored in downtime, done h2h scores: EG vs VG: 2-3 in favor of VG OG vs VG: 0-2 in favor of VG EG vs LGD: 2-1 in favor of EG OG vs LGD: 2-0 in favor of OG EHOME vs OG: 2-1 in favor of EHOME LGD vs Secret: 2-1 in favor of LGD Newbee vs Secret: 2-1 in favor of Newbee OG vs Newbee: 2-0 in favor of OG EG vs Newbee: 2-1 in favor of EG So, 5 vs 4 in favor of China, you lose. Wins are not born equal. Wins later in a tournament are of higher value, and require higher skill to obtain. This is why I examine tournament results and not individual game scores.
yes
the western teams has 100% win rate if we exclude all the games they are beaten.
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On January 31 2016 20:23 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:18 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 20:11 Azarkon wrote:
Does it matter whether they lose a game? The West still showed it was the region to beat this tournament. Only Chinese team in top 3 is Ehome, and this is *without* Alliance being here. Next month is going to be another win for the West, I imagine. I don't see any other team coming up to beat the best of the West and Ehome has its limits. Since i am bored in downtime, done h2h scores: EG vs VG: 2-3 in favor of VG OG vs VG: 0-2 in favor of VG EG vs LGD: 2-1 in favor of EG OG vs LGD: 2-0 in favor of OG EHOME vs OG: 2-1 in favor of EHOME LGD vs Secret: 2-1 in favor of LGD Newbee vs Secret: 2-1 in favor of Newbee OG vs Newbee: 2-0 in favor of OG EG vs Newbee: 2-1 in favor of EG So, 5 vs 4 in favor of China, you lose. Wins are not born equal. Wins later in a tournament are of higher value, and require higher skill to obtain. This is why I examine tournament results and not individual game scores.
EG vs OG is the all evidence required to prove that wins later are not of higher value.
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On January 31 2016 20:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
does ehome know something that jacky maod oesnt about weaver
cuz im still not a beleaver
Well, it's weaver-abbadon, used to be meanie thing IIRC.
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If morph gets a bit farmed, there's only a lift to stop him
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On January 31 2016 20:27 HammerKick wrote:
If morph gets a bit farmed, there's only a lift to stop him
i remember when EG was just fresh team, rtz once caught an arrow during morphing into agility to drink bottle.
Yeah, i would count sunstrike as well.
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bulldog and bulba bleieve in the weaver i wonder if they see something i dont
i know weaver abaddons a thinkg but i dont think its enough of a thing to make weaver a hero
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On January 31 2016 20:29 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
bulldog and bulba bleieve in the weaver i wonder if they see something i dont
i know weaver abaddons a thinkg but i dont think its enough of a thing to make weaver a hero
Weaver a hero to farm heroes.
Undying does make that uncomfortable.
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Fear could have killed abaddon there, he missed that last decay, used it on top of himself
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Man, how is weaver beating morph on cs in these lanes;;
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On January 31 2016 20:33 Salazarz wrote:
Man, how is weaver beating morph on cs in these lanes;;
weaver is constantly full hp because napalm/decay spam and they dont have any stuns to threaten him. plus morph is against a bear and bears are scary.
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On January 31 2016 20:33 Salazarz wrote:
Man, how is weaver beating morph on cs in these lanes;;
It's LD vs Morph 1v1 pretty much.
And LD wrecks Morph in 1v1.
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On January 31 2016 20:33 Salazarz wrote:
Man, how is weaver beating morph on cs in these lanes;;
Probably a bug
Yeah, I show myself out
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welp that was not the best rotation EHome
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It's a tricore weaver too. It's a fighting carry. For dual core lineup, it can't split push fast enough to find fighting opportunities
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next 10 minutes will be scary for ehome. double blink is ready and eg has to do something against this tricore lineup.
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EHOME watchoo doing?
magical EG voodoo at play again
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Damn, cty needed to be there earlier; or better yet Ehome shouldn't have fought at all
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Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works
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Da fuck, ehome is going 1 by 1 Oo
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hey guys let's re-engage into a tombstone
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On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works
You mean EHOME choked?
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On January 31 2016 20:44 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works You mean EHOME choked?
It's funny how every time a Chinese team loses, you say that.
Chinese teams must have no ability to keep their heads at all according to this logic.
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2 tornadoes completely missing
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invoker is no old chicken hero it seems.
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Such out play coming out of Sumail.
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what was that emp first then tornado shit, bat lost like no mana at all
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Everyone is derping so hard this game except Suma1l.
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LOL what about that TP weaver ?/??? what the hell was that
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2nd time CTY TPing in way too late
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Mistakes. Mistakes everywhere
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pls feed more rtz
need proper throw game
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what the hell was that from ehome?
invoker goes in 1v5... then lone druid goes in 1v5.... then abba goes in.... then rubick?
lol
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what is this lol are the players all hungry or something
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Invoker is throwing the game so hard
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game's kinda hard when your emps don't hit anyone
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It doesnt surprise me that LD has no radiance yet. Watch his last hitting attemps, he fails at like 50%.
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they keep screwing up their engagements... then eg burst them down
looks like they just want to engage EG till lone druid come online.
that's some 2k level invoker right there tho
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lets chase the one hero that can fly
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dunno how cty managed linken+deso by 25min
bat looks really cancerous
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5 man coil and yet suffer the only casualty of the fight lol
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this invoker play is horrible
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I just don't know why Invoker doesn't open with EMP, it would instantly force EG to retreat. It's a miracle they're holding considering the awful teamfight from EHOME
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On January 31 2016 20:52 haduken wrote:
they keep screwing up their engagements... then eg burst them down
looks like they just want to engage EG till lone druid come online.
that's some 2k level invoker right there tho
weaver has no damage item, LD has no radiance.
Ehome's line up simply no match to EG in team fight at this stage, but they keep on fighting eg head on.
Actually what Ehome need is stall the game long enough.
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Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yes, I'm sure this game shows it.
Differences in individual skill are a problem for Chinese teams.
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Invokers have seemed very unimpressive lately...
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On January 31 2016 20:55 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:52 haduken wrote:
they keep screwing up their engagements... then eg burst them down
looks like they just want to engage EG till lone druid come online.
that's some 2k level invoker right there tho weaver has no damage, LD has no damage. Ehome's line up simple no match to EG in team fight at this stage. but they keep on fighting.
there must be a reason ~_~
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On January 31 2016 20:57 haduken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:55 CxWiLL wrote:On January 31 2016 20:52 haduken wrote:
they keep screwing up their engagements... then eg burst them down
looks like they just want to engage EG till lone druid come online.
that's some 2k level invoker right there tho weaver has no damage, LD has no damage. Ehome's line up simple no match to EG in team fight at this stage. but they keep on fighting. there must be a reason ~_~
Considering that last fight ended up with 1 death on EG side... i think they know something.
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On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yeah.
He beat them with Viper and OD. It not that impressive but it still count.
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suddenly ehome feels liek they dont take as much damage
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On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yes, I'm sure this game shows it.
Differences in individual skill are a problem for Chinese teams.
Honestly, what separate the West from the East is that their mid laners are abundant and better. The newcomers, Shiki and old chicken had been a little unimpressive.
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On January 31 2016 20:58 RiZu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yeah. He beat them with Viper and OD. It not that impressive but it still count.
he wins the lane if he gets a good match up... which at this level is pretty standard really.
no better or worse than the other chinese mids
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old chicken plz just use one EMP
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well even without invoker ehome is winning fights now. gonna be hard for eg.
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keep in mind, ehome cores are still top networth
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Suddenly EHOME carries are too fat.
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On January 31 2016 20:59 RiZu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yes, I'm sure this game shows it.
Differences in individual skill are a problem for Chinese teams. Honestly, what separate the West from the East is that their mid laners are abundant and better. The newcomers, Shiki and old chicken had been a little unimpressive.
I don't think so, they are just not play-making kind of mid.
but sure they are solid.
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ehome getting rax rofl what's happening
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Wasn't CTY their mid at TI5?
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On January 31 2016 20:59 RiZu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yes, I'm sure this game shows it.
Differences in individual skill are a problem for Chinese teams. Honestly, what separate the West from the East is that their mid laners are abundant and better. The newcomers, Shiki and old chicken had been a little unimpressive.
I've been saying that for a while. But they do have a few advantages. For example, their carry players are on average > the West's, even those on top Western teams. Arteezy doesn't look that comfortable on heroes such as morphling, and Notail, etc. don't even play it. EternalEnvy is the only Terrorblade that is currently at the top level.
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On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Something something EG so much better than Ehome something something China sucks
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cty is strong with this team
his farm saves this game
rekt
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On January 31 2016 21:03 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:59 RiZu wrote:On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yes, I'm sure this game shows it.
Differences in individual skill are a problem for Chinese teams. Honestly, what separate the West from the East is that their mid laners are abundant and better. The newcomers, Shiki and old chicken had been a little unimpressive. I've been saying that for a while. But they do have a few advantages. For example, their carry players are on average > the West's, even those on top Western teams. Arteezy doesn't look that comfortable on heroes such as morphling, and Notail, etc. don't even play it. EternalEnvy is the only Terrorblade that is currently at the top level.
Just a reminder: it's EHOME who is winning this game right now.
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On January 31 2016 21:03 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Something something EG so much better than Ehome something something China sucks
rofl hilarious now ehome getting rax
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On January 31 2016 20:59 RiZu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yes, I'm sure this game shows it.
Differences in individual skill are a problem for Chinese teams. Honestly, what separate the West from the East is that their mid laners are abundant and better. The newcomers, Shiki and old chicken had been a little unimpressive.
I feel chinese mids have a larger hero pool, but they seems even more inflexible than western mids because they lack a creative drafter to put a proper lineup together. Lamn seems to be the exception while Fy borderlines between genius and madness.
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On January 31 2016 21:04 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:03 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 20:59 RiZu wrote:On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yes, I'm sure this game shows it.
Differences in individual skill are a problem for Chinese teams. Honestly, what separate the West from the East is that their mid laners are abundant and better. The newcomers, Shiki and old chicken had been a little unimpressive. I've been saying that for a while. But they do have a few advantages. For example, their carry players are on average > the West's, even those on top Western teams. Arteezy doesn't look that comfortable on heroes such as morphling, and Notail, etc. don't even play it. EternalEnvy is the only Terrorblade that is currently at the top level. Just a reminder: it's EHOME who is winning this game right now.
Doesn't change what I said.
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eleven looking like the chinese counterpart to bulldog now. not as good as him on lone druid, but you gotta fear the way ehome plays bear
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I was thinking what cancelled the TP haha.
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
And Ehome has hit the timing it seems. LD complementing the main carry.
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cty and eleven are on total beast mode!
i dont even mind ehome winnig tbh, i love eg, but ehome picking carry ursa and weaver is so much fun!
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On January 31 2016 21:04 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:03 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 20:59 RiZu wrote:On January 31 2016 20:56 Azarkon wrote:
Remember the guy who thought Ehome's middle player was actually beating Miracle and Sumail in games?
Yes, I'm sure this game shows it.
Differences in individual skill are a problem for Chinese teams. Honestly, what separate the West from the East is that their mid laners are abundant and better. The newcomers, Shiki and old chicken had been a little unimpressive. I've been saying that for a while. But they do have a few advantages. For example, their carry players are on average > the West's, even those on top Western teams. Arteezy doesn't look that comfortable on heroes such as morphling, and Notail, etc. don't even play it. EternalEnvy is the only Terrorblade that is currently at the top level. Just a reminder: it's EHOME who is winning this game right now.
but ppd had a solid plan for game 2?
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THIS IS OUR BASE NOW
ehome lol
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yeah that buyback will be gamelosing
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ehome have won this game unless they mess up i think
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ok what is ehome doing? they are just rushing the base without creeps.
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On January 31 2016 21:08 hfglgg wrote:
ok what is ehome doing? they are just rushing the base without creeps.
i guess its just big dick lanm tactics
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On January 31 2016 21:08 hfglgg wrote:
ok what is ehome doing? they are just rushing the base without creeps.
Bear + deso don't give a shit about backdoor regen? :D
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and finally creeps entered the eg base.
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4v5 teamwipe with no deaths lol
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Arteezy has no idea what he's doing on that hero.
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5 man wipe even without the weaver
EHOME ROCKIN OUT
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On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works
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ehome feeds till they get their power timing then just roll over eg
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On January 31 2016 21:10 Azarkon wrote:
Arteezy has no idea what he's doing on that hero.
Yeah, in no way it's the strategy that relies on single core morph against dual core that is at fault here.
I mean, come on, pipe + null field, it's 1v5 at this point and Arteezy is not that good.
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People complaining about chinese mid already forgot about Maybe and CTY rising last year.
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that double gem build won the game.
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would pay to see what is going through PPD's brain right now
+ Show Spoiler +and our resident A-god's of course
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I think it speaks to EG's ridiculous consistency that they are 0-2 down and I STILL don't feel like Ehome has this in the bag. Will they be the team to finally do it?
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On January 31 2016 21:11 uriel- wrote:
I think it speaks to EG's ridiculous consistency that they are 0-2 down and I STILL don't feel like Ehome has this in the bag. Will they be the team to finally do it?
I mean, i think EG wins the series on the back of EHOME finally breaking down completely but this is pretty hilarious nonetheless.
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looked like EG's fight when they took out weaver, but omg, that fucking bear man. 6k+ dmg in that fight
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Heh. EG didn't do anything good that game. The early game kills were more of Ehome messing up than EG playing well.
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well... ppd will sure use this for shanghai
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i think egs draft was way to difficult to executed properly and ehome had a ton of room for errors. with two playmaker heroes that scale poorly as damage dealers into the lategame they either have to control the whole map or destroy them early and finish the game quickly. both things didnt happen and so ehome just farmed their way to victory.
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I turned off the stream for a while when EG was leading in like 10+ kills.
Boy was I surprised when I reopened it after switching to my computer.
Step it up please PPD T_T
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Puck is still not a hero , as a mid he does almost nothing past 35 min except items he has , sad but thats how it is
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Looking like a rather boring final
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On January 31 2016 21:13 haduken wrote:
well... ppd will sure use this for shanghai
no need to worry about Shanghai all Chinese teams will break for New Year and come back in terrible form
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on another note if eg comes back la dk WEC style...
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Puck has like no dmg at that point and all source of dps is on morph who's getting completely bursted in fights. WTF was EG suppose to do.
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On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works
LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased
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On January 31 2016 21:14 neozxa wrote:
I turned off the stream for a while when EG was leading in like 10+ kills.
Boy was I surprised when I reopened it after switching to my computer.
Step it up please PPD T_T
Kill don't matter when Weaver/LD were still farming well, and QW Invoker doesn't need much farm to function.
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I need Lanm and MMY to reunite.
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On January 31 2016 21:16 Danzo wrote:
Puck has like no dmg at that point and all source of dps is on morph who's getting completely bursted in fights. WTF was EG suppose to do.
burst down ehome's damage dealers but despite the horrid invoker, the disengage and reset is strong in ehome.
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A four protect one line up, which is what that line up was, requires that the one is able to carry through two opponent cores. PPD thought Arteezy was able to do this but he wasn't. They need to put Sumail on a carry hero, in that case, but I have a feeling Sumail hasn't been playing any because he has limitations with the new heroes.
Not sure why they don't just Fear on a core, in that case. Their wins earlier were all through that.
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On January 31 2016 21:18 Azarkon wrote:
A four protect one line up, which is what that line up was, requires that the one is able to carry through two opponent cores. PPD thought Arteezy was able to do this but he wasn't. They need to put Sumail on a carry hero, in that case, but I have a feeling Sumail hasn't been playing any because he has limitations with the new heroes.
Not sure why they don't just Fear on a core, in that case. Their wins earlier were all through that.
I like you how turn to blaming Canadian when PPD is at fault with draft like that (hint: they got 2-0d by Alliance with similar reasons).
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On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased
So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games.
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I don't know why there is so much hate on old chicken.
I have heard about him since he was in EP, and actually I like his style.
No something fancy and cocky, but his build and mid game decision is always on point.
It is simply some culture difference between the east and west in this game.
Chinese dota simply don't like those high risk high reward plays.
Even in pubs you can easily get flamed jumping in like sumail or w33 did.
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On January 31 2016 21:15 bluzi wrote:
Puck is still not a hero , as a mid he does almost nothing past 35 min except items he has , sad but thats how it is
puck is still good, but the hero has to be used correctly. of course puck is weaker as the game goes on but thats why u draft around the heroes strengths and not its weaknesses. ppd made the mistake of having a difficult to execute strategy by putting himself into a single core strategy instead of double core like alliance prefers it
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On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly.
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On January 31 2016 21:20 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:15 bluzi wrote:
Puck is still not a hero , as a mid he does almost nothing past 35 min except items he has , sad but thats how it is puck is still good, but the hero has to be used correctly. of course puck is weaker as the game goes on but thats why u draft around the heroes strengths and not its weaknesses. ppd made the mistake of having a difficult to execute strategy by putting himself into a single core strategy instead of double core like alliance prefers it
Alliance has an off player who prefers late game carries. Universe is not that sort of player and has never been.
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On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games.
The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph.
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On January 31 2016 21:19 CxWiLL wrote:
I don't know why there is so much hate on old chicken.
I have heard about him since he was in EP, and actually I like his style.
No something fancy and cocky, but his build and mid game decision is always on point.
It is simply some culture difference between the east and west in this game.
Chinese dota simply don't like those high risk high reward plays.
Even in pubs you can easily get flamed jumping in like sumail or w33 did.
He missed few spells which is enough to say that he is the worst player who has ever played Dota.
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eg, just fucking ban or pick that bear qq, lett them have visage instead.
if they lett ehome have the bear again, I am 100% sure its for practice before shanghai (even tho that sounds crazy being in a top tourney finale)
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their drafts and play i felt were way too optimized on countering a specific hero on ehome's lineup (picking puck for weaver in game 2, and keeping on aiming at LD's bear on game 1, though game 1 was somewhat of a stomp).
I think that they should just focus on lineups that build their cores instead of trying to make things happen on the map ASAP like what they did in game 2.
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EG's draft needed more damage, something like aghs WD would wreck with pucks ulti in that last fight for example
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On January 31 2016 21:20 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:15 bluzi wrote:
Puck is still not a hero , as a mid he does almost nothing past 35 min except items he has , sad but thats how it is puck is still good, but the hero has to be used correctly. of course puck is weaker as the game goes on but thats why u draft around the heroes strengths and not its weaknesses. ppd made the mistake of having a difficult to execute strategy by putting himself into a single core strategy instead of double core like alliance prefers it
puck is considered as shit tier hero in China though.
Every day you can find a complain thread on puck in tieba (equivalent to reddit).
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On January 31 2016 21:20 Atoissen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly.
He didn't get sacrificed, he just didn't play very well. In the end it was apparently good enough, so who cares.
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if you go single core against multiple cores you make sure that their cores arent as farmed as yours, but with the lanes they played eg was on a disadvantage on both sidelanes and mid was even. the only way to come back from this is with strong pressure once the first core items are achieved, but at that point weaver had already linkens and was incredible hard to kill while abaddon and rubick are good at countering batriders initiations. eg didnt really have amazing early push potential either so yeah, there was little they could do after the lanes failed. the only times when eg did achieve something on the map it was because ehome walked into them one by one for no reason.
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On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph.
Did you watch LGD's games?
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On January 31 2016 21:21 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:20 rabidch wrote:On January 31 2016 21:15 bluzi wrote:
Puck is still not a hero , as a mid he does almost nothing past 35 min except items he has , sad but thats how it is puck is still good, but the hero has to be used correctly. of course puck is weaker as the game goes on but thats why u draft around the heroes strengths and not its weaknesses. ppd made the mistake of having a difficult to execute strategy by putting himself into a single core strategy instead of double core like alliance prefers it Alliance has an off player who prefers late game carries. Universe is not that sort of player and has never been.
I dont think I agree, Universe playes the game he needs to play, he is a fantastic farmer and would have no problem playing late game carris. its just that eg already have rtz and sumail, it would be fucking stupid picking late game carries for Uni.
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On January 31 2016 21:20 Atoissen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly.
He wasn't sacrificed this game actually. He had a 1v1 match up mainly, made several rotations, and fucked up plenty.
Some games old chicken is a boss. But more often than not, I see him as just another piece of the puzzle. He has a role to perform and tries to execute it. But he is not one to count on to make the extra plays to win a game.
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On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games?
You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here.
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On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here.
Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In case you're going to argue Maybe was playing cores when he went Quas Wex Invoker, then Ehome had three cores and Sumail was playing a core.
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On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games.
I saw it when played like it should , split push HARD make other team respond come back kill stragllers , and putting pressure all over the map once you get farm , EG played it like an OD most of the time , farm farm farm fight , die , rinse repeat ., the hero will not just show up to a fight and clean house vs a really strong dual core it just cant. (unless he is the only hard carry of course)
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On January 31 2016 21:25 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:20 Atoissen wrote:On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly. He wasn't sacrificed this game actually. He had a 1v1 match up mainly, made several rotations, and fucked up plenty. Some games old chicken is a boss. But more often than not, I see him as just another piece of the puzzle. He has a role to perform and tries to execute it. But he is not one to count on to make the extra plays to win a game.
we can agree to disagree then
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On January 31 2016 21:22 Gevna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:19 CxWiLL wrote:
I don't know why there is so much hate on old chicken.
I have heard about him since he was in EP, and actually I like his style.
No something fancy and cocky, but his build and mid game decision is always on point.
It is simply some culture difference between the east and west in this game.
Chinese dota simply don't like those high risk high reward plays.
Even in pubs you can easily get flamed jumping in like sumail or w33 did. He missed few spells which is enough to say that he is the worst player who has ever played Dota.
he fucked up his combo multiple times early game but at that point ehome was fighting to hold, i don't agree with some of his tactical decisions and his mechanics needs work but it's more due to the chaotic nature of ehome's defense, we shouldn't judge because you are not playing the game, you don't know the pressure.
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On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core.
In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm.
Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point.
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On January 31 2016 21:25 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:20 Atoissen wrote:On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly. He wasn't sacrificed this game actually. He had a 1v1 match up mainly, made several rotations, and fucked up plenty. Some games old chicken is a boss. But more often than not, I see him as just another piece of the puzzle. He has a role to perform and tries to execute it. But he is not one to count on to make the extra plays to win a game.
so you are saying he's no miracle-
that's ok i guess
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On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm.
Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries as well.
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Old chicken
I will like him forever for that nickname
And i imagine he's the dude that survived the great sorrow of fried chicken massacre.
He went through a lot.
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On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays.
Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core.
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On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point.
Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha
We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow.
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On January 31 2016 21:31 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays. Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core.
Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already?
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On January 31 2016 21:31 neozxa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point. Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow.
VP already choked once, so i wouldn't be surprised and yeah, i do think pdd is just trying out what works despite repeating same mistakes as against Alliance.
On January 31 2016 21:32 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:
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LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays. Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core. Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already?
I have seen Universe play a fucking Troll Warlord in 6.81 (or was that 6.80), so you said nothing. It did not end well but for other reasons.
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On January 31 2016 21:32 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:31 neozxa wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point. Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow. VP already choked once, so i wouldn't be surprised and yeah, i do think pdd is just trying out what works despite repeating same mistakes as against Alliance.
It's amazing how you miss the obvious: that he's trying the same heroes Alliance used to destroy his team, but with differences made for his team because his players doesn't play the exact same heroes.
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On January 31 2016 21:32 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:31 neozxa wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point. Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow. VP already choked once, so i wouldn't be surprised and yeah, i do think pdd is just trying out what works despite repeating same mistakes as against Alliance. Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:32 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:
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So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays. Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core. Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already? I have seen Universe play a fucking Troll Warlord in 6.81 (or was that 6.80), so you said nothing. It did not end well but for other reasons.
Yes let's use a 6.81 lost game as an example of what Universe plays successfully in professional games.
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On January 31 2016 21:28 haduken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:22 Gevna wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 CxWiLL wrote:
I don't know why there is so much hate on old chicken.
I have heard about him since he was in EP, and actually I like his style.
No something fancy and cocky, but his build and mid game decision is always on point.
It is simply some culture difference between the east and west in this game.
Chinese dota simply don't like those high risk high reward plays.
Even in pubs you can easily get flamed jumping in like sumail or w33 did. He missed few spells which is enough to say that he is the worst player who has ever played Dota. he fucked up his combo multiple times early game but at that point ehome was fighting to hold, i don't agree with some of his tactical decisions and his mechanics needs work but it's more due to the chaotic nature of ehome's defense, we shouldn't judge because you are not playing the game, you don't know the pressure.
I was sacarstic and so yes I agree. He needed to be solid for Ehome to hold early game. But watching the decision making and the coordination from the whole Ehome makes me think that you can't just condemn Oldchicken alone based of missed combos.
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On January 31 2016 21:32 Azarkon wrote:
Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already?
He played LD and Naix this tournament
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I don't understand the drafting, why you give LD + invoker when both are top picks, while yourself have zero top pick in your lineup (well, vengespirit is, but she's no core)
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On January 31 2016 21:34 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:32 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:31 neozxa wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:
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LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point. Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow. VP already choked once, so i wouldn't be surprised and yeah, i do think pdd is just trying out what works despite repeating same mistakes as against Alliance. On January 31 2016 21:32 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
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The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays. Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core. Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already? I have seen Universe play a fucking Troll Warlord in 6.81 (or was that 6.80), so you said nothing. It did not end well but for other reasons. Yes let's use a 6.81 lost game as an example of what Universe plays successfully in professional games.
See someone else's answer, because you're losing this.
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On January 31 2016 21:36 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:32 Azarkon wrote:
Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already? He played LD and Naix this tournament
He tried to play them this tournament.
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there arent a lot of farming offlaners in the game that are currently played. its lone druid, prophet and bulldog played a weaver once. thats about it.
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Stream is not working for me. Anyone else having this problem?
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There you go, a ban to the hero.
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On January 31 2016 21:37 hfglgg wrote:
there arent a lot of farming offlaners in the game that are currently played. its lone druid, prophet and bulldog played a weaver once. thats about it.
Are there even any other farming offlaners to begin with? I mean, dark seer and batrider regularly end up with some heavy farm but they are not what i'd define as "farming" offlaners.
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EHOME actually got ES ... ok, lets see
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Who's playing this balanced spirit though?
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On January 31 2016 21:38 Goolpsy wrote:
Stream is not working for me. Anyone else having this problem?
english one not working for me
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On January 31 2016 21:38 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:37 hfglgg wrote:
there arent a lot of farming offlaners in the game that are currently played. its lone druid, prophet and bulldog played a weaver once. thats about it. Are there even any other farming offlaners to begin with? I mean, dark seer and batrider regularly end up with some heavy farm but they are not what i'd define as "farming" offlaners.
i would put timbersaw there as well. but yeah farming carry offlaners er limited.
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On January 31 2016 21:40 Elurie wrote:
Who's playing this balanced spirit though?
kaka, i expect some missed skillshots.
On January 31 2016 21:40 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:38 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:37 hfglgg wrote:
there arent a lot of farming offlaners in the game that are currently played. its lone druid, prophet and bulldog played a weaver once. thats about it. Are there even any other farming offlaners to begin with? I mean, dark seer and batrider regularly end up with some heavy farm but they are not what i'd define as "farming" offlaners. i would put timbersaw there as well. but yeah farming carry offlaners er limited.
I don't consider timber an offlaner nowadays, almost never see him well in 1v2/1v3 situation.
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On January 31 2016 21:33 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:32 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:31 neozxa wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:
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LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point. Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow. VP already choked once, so i wouldn't be surprised and yeah, i do think pdd is just trying out what works despite repeating same mistakes as against Alliance. It's amazing how you miss the obvious: that he's trying the same heroes Alliance used to destroy his team, but with differences made for his team because his players doesn't play the exact same heroes.
Universe does play both ld, furion and void... all potential lategame carries
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On January 31 2016 21:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:40 Elurie wrote:
Who's playing this balanced spirit though? kaka, i expect some missed skillshots.
lol, so you're saying this ES will be more of a flu instead of ebola.
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On January 31 2016 21:40 haduken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:38 Goolpsy wrote:
Stream is not working for me. Anyone else having this problem? english one not working for me
I was confused cause it's working fine for me, then I realised you are probably talking about the MDL stream, not the Bulldog one :D
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Why are you guys even trying to reason with Azarkon? Just paste his quotes from 30 minutes ago and laugh.
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On January 31 2016 21:40 Elurie wrote:
Who's playing this balanced spirit though?
kaka
From the beginning of the patch, he has made a statement that he will always play this hero if their opponent don't first ban it.
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Azubu ending the tournament in style -.-
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MDL english stream is working fine here btw
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On January 31 2016 21:43 Salazarz wrote:
Why are you guys even trying to reason with Azarkon? Just paste his quotes from 30 minutes ago and laugh.
I do because i am bored, dunno about the rest.
EDIT: Rare occasion when i do not like Ench pick.
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I mean it was obvious EG wanted void and so they had to give ES away ... but ES is kinda good against void, if he doesnt catch him.
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On January 31 2016 21:36 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:34 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:32 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:31 neozxa wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:
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So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point. Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow. VP already choked once, so i wouldn't be surprised and yeah, i do think pdd is just trying out what works despite repeating same mistakes as against Alliance. On January 31 2016 21:32 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:
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Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays. Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core. Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already? I have seen Universe play a fucking Troll Warlord in 6.81 (or was that 6.80), so you said nothing. It did not end well but for other reasons. Yes let's use a 6.81 lost game as an example of what Universe plays successfully in professional games. See someone else's answer, because you're losing this.
It's amazing that you don't see it, but then that's normal I guess, as few people on these boards actually read between the games.
I'll give you a hint: why did PPD keep running Arteezy Lone Druid early on in the tournament? Why didn't he just run Universe Lone Druid every game the way teams that had an off player who could play Lone Druid did? Why did Iceiceice play Lone Druid when he's bad at it? Why is Ehome running it practically every single game?
The answer is simple: because since Alliance's rise in the last two tournaments, in which they destroyed practically every single top team, the hero has become a first pick, and an important first pick. Teams, including PPD's, have tried to insert the hero into their line up, at times force it into their line up, the way VG tried to do, but the only successful way to run it has been from the off player. That's how Alliance does it and that's how Ehome does it.
Hence, teams that aren't able to do this, similar to PPD's in this game, have had to spend a ban on it. That's what PPD tried to avoid in the last few games where he tried to "beat" the hero. He knows the importance of finding a solution to it before the next big tournament.
For those who keep saying: Universe knows how to play it. Prove it. Because I've never seen Universe play it as successfully as the top players.
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But srsly, can we get a nerf patch before shanghai pls? Pretty sure we are in a stage where it's clear that about 4 heroes need a small change.
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EG got their comfort heroes for this game , if they cant win it this time around everyone should just except the fact EHOME got their number now , might change later , but for now they own them.
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wtf Universe kills CTY lol?
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ok i did not know morph can die against void in a 2v1 lane.
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Wish my stream would work...
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On January 31 2016 21:47 Sloke wrote:
But srsly, can we get a nerf patch before shanghai pls? Pretty sure we are in a stage where it's clear that about 4 heroes need a small change.
I agree most of us are expecting 86e soon.
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any solutions? my stream doesn't work too...
edit: guess we'll be watching russain stream
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watch the russian stream.
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On January 31 2016 21:48 malcram wrote:any solutions? my stream doesn't work too...
Bulldog's stream?
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Again no dmg EG, dont see why wouldnt you want to pick WD when you have chono on your team.
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Wow someone finally remembered that Clinkz is a hero, and one that should be very good against a lot of the popular picks now.
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On January 31 2016 21:49 Dysisa wrote:
Wow someone finally remembered that Clinkz is a hero, and one that should be very good against a lot of the popular picks now.
Clinkz attack point against Ench is hilarious though.
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On January 31 2016 21:49 Dysisa wrote:
Wow someone finally remembered that Clinkz is a hero, and one that should be very good against a lot of the popular picks now.
ig.vitality picks clinkz alot. but i guess they dont count
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On January 31 2016 21:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:40 Elurie wrote:
Who's playing this balanced spirit though? kaka, i expect some missed skillshots.
Missed skillshot my arse.
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And again, see how Sumail absolutely destroys Ehome's middle player. Same level? I don't think so.
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On January 31 2016 21:50 Azarkon wrote:
And again, see how Sumail absolutely destroys Ehome's middle player. Same level? I don't think so.
it's almost like he's laning 2v1 or something
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twitch sucks for me, i can never watch a stream on twitch nowadays
while i could watch high quality on azubu
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On January 31 2016 21:50 SnowStormer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:40 Elurie wrote:
Who's playing this balanced spirit though? kaka, i expect some missed skillshots. Missed skillshot my arse.
Well, i often don't get what i expect.
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On January 31 2016 21:50 Asha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:50 Azarkon wrote:
And again, see how Sumail absolutely destroys Ehome's middle player. Same level? I don't think so. it's almost like he's laning 2v1 or something
oldchicken destroyed miracle yesterday...what a noob :>
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On January 31 2016 21:50 Azarkon wrote:
And again, see how Sumail absolutely destroys Ehome's middle player. Same level? I don't think so.
and you see how there is a bane there?
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one might think the 10cs on clinkz and 16cs on viper are connected somehow.
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All 3 of these kills are on PPD, why would you even take a spell lvl 1 without knowing what you need. You dont just randomly take poison because its what cool kids do.
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On January 31 2016 21:51 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:50 Azarkon wrote:
And again, see how Sumail absolutely destroys Ehome's middle player. Same level? I don't think so. and you see how there is a bane there?
Wasn't he top? I was looking at bottom but both times I looked top he was there.
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On January 31 2016 21:53 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:51 Doraemon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:50 Azarkon wrote:
And again, see how Sumail absolutely destroys Ehome's middle player. Same level? I don't think so. and you see how there is a bane there? Wasn't he top? I was looking at bottom but both times I looked top he was there.
No, that's partially why Rtz got wrecked.
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ok void vs ench in chronosphere is hilarious.
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On January 31 2016 21:53 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:51 Doraemon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:50 Azarkon wrote:
And again, see how Sumail absolutely destroys Ehome's middle player. Same level? I don't think so. and you see how there is a bane there? Wasn't he top? I was looking at bottom but both times I looked top he was there.
He sat middle 24/7
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On January 31 2016 21:53 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:53 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:51 Doraemon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:50 Azarkon wrote:
And again, see how Sumail absolutely destroys Ehome's middle player. Same level? I don't think so. and you see how there is a bane there? Wasn't he top? I was looking at bottom but both times I looked top he was there. No, that's partially why Rtz got wrecked.
Arteezy wasn't top.
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Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time
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So funny to see the void barely manage to get 2 swings on Enc inside chrono. Fuck that aura lol.
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On January 31 2016 21:54 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:53 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:53 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:51 Doraemon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:50 Azarkon wrote:
And again, see how Sumail absolutely destroys Ehome's middle player. Same level? I don't think so. and you see how there is a bane there? Wasn't he top? I was looking at bottom but both times I looked top he was there. No, that's partially why Rtz got wrecked. Arteezy wasn't top.
Arteezy was without bane.
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On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time
That, and just about 90% of what I say...
Yes, I might make a mistake once in a while. I'm only human, after all.
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On January 31 2016 21:30 haduken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:25 DucK- wrote:On January 31 2016 21:20 Atoissen wrote:On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly. He wasn't sacrificed this game actually. He had a 1v1 match up mainly, made several rotations, and fucked up plenty. Some games old chicken is a boss. But more often than not, I see him as just another piece of the puzzle. He has a role to perform and tries to execute it. But he is not one to count on to make the extra plays to win a game. so you are saying he's no miracle- that's ok i guess
Given a choice between a miracle mid and super mid, you would choose miracle any day. But sometimes you're stuck with super which is fine. Problem though is that old chicken is mechanically weaker than even super, though he doesn't reach the choke/fail levels that super often hit.
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On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time
The key is to throw out so much bullshit that something you say has to be right eventually
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Game looking decent for EG now though the Clinkz's lack of farm could be problematic. Interested to see how Universe builds from here
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On January 31 2016 21:50 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:49 Dysisa wrote:
Wow someone finally remembered that Clinkz is a hero, and one that should be very good against a lot of the popular picks now. ig.vitality picks clinkz alot. but i guess they dont count
Must be why they're the better of the two IG's.
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On January 31 2016 21:55 Asha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time The key is to throw out so much bullshit that something you say has to be right eventually --- Game looking decent for EG now though the Clinkz's lack of farm could be problematic
Everyone who knows anything about Dota in this thread agree that Ehome's middle player is mediocre/bad.
Only the people who only care about "disagreeing with Azarkon" think otherwise.
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ok thats a c9 level rosh.
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only 30 pages on final day lol
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kaka is a joke on earth spirit, a cruel joke.
what the fuck
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The Bulldog cast has become one heck of a gathering of pros, I love it. Bless their souls for saving me from BTS.
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On January 31 2016 21:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:55 Asha wrote:On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time The key is to throw out so much bullshit that something you say has to be right eventually --- Game looking decent for EG now though the Clinkz's lack of farm could be problematic Everyone who knows anything about Dota in this thread agree that Ehome's middle player is mediocre/bad. Only the people who only care about "disagreeing with Azarkon" think otherwise.
you still dont understand how ehome works as a team. not every team needs a player like miracle or sumail in mid
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On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time
.... how can you even say that?
He has enough time to post every prediction in which every Western team wins in at least one of them.
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On January 31 2016 21:58 Teton wrote:
only 30 pages on final day lol
thread is dead when eg fan boys are quiet.
thanks to azarkon for keeping the discussion rolling.
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Anyways, CTY disband. WHAT a player.
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holy shit rtz is super underfarmed
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The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him.
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how good is the new void as a carry ?
most people dont build it like that
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On January 31 2016 21:59 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:56 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:55 Asha wrote:On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time The key is to throw out so much bullshit that something you say has to be right eventually --- Game looking decent for EG now though the Clinkz's lack of farm could be problematic Everyone who knows anything about Dota in this thread agree that Ehome's middle player is mediocre/bad. Only the people who only care about "disagreeing with Azarkon" think otherwise. you still dont understand how ehome works as a team. not every team needs a player like miracle or sumail in mid
Its not a point of how they work, point is that he is not on sumails or miracles level and any team would rather want them instead of chicken, including ehome. Ehome just does the best they can do with what they have, and so far it works, and it would certainly work better with a better mid
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On January 31 2016 21:59 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:56 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:55 Asha wrote:On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time The key is to throw out so much bullshit that something you say has to be right eventually --- Game looking decent for EG now though the Clinkz's lack of farm could be problematic Everyone who knows anything about Dota in this thread agree that Ehome's middle player is mediocre/bad. Only the people who only care about "disagreeing with Azarkon" think otherwise. you still dont understand how ehome works as a team. not every team needs a player like miracle or sumail in mid
Personally I don't think that Ehome needs a miracle or suma1l to work. oldchicken could be the best fit. But that does not exclude the fact that oldchicken is not as mechanically good as his peers.
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Anyone else unable to connect to azubu stream?
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On January 31 2016 22:03 Mafe wrote:
Anyone else unable to connect to azubu stream?
same here wtf D:
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On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him.
my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right
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On January 31 2016 22:03 Mafe wrote:
Anyone else unable to connect to azubu stream?
yep
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come on universe.
forget rtz, you are the #1 carry now,
build damage item instead of those utility items.
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CTY's build is so fucking weird
as always.
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Solar crest void, interesting change in build.
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On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right
Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months.
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Bulldog, Zai, Bulba, Loda, s4, EGM, Synd.
BTS didn't stand a chance.
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Not sure I like Universe's choice of items given how the game started
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On January 31 2016 22:05 molecu wrote:
Bulldog, Zai, Bulba, Loda, s4, EGM, Synd.
BTS didn't stand a chance.
They also discuss the game which is nice
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kAka is insane on this hero omg
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wtf lol t3 already, this is like marathon from ehome
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Sanya12364 Posts
I don't like RTZ carry, but whatever.
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game is ultra hard for EG
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On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months.
Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless.
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On January 31 2016 22:05 molecu wrote:
Bulldog, Zai, Bulba, Loda, s4, EGM, Synd.
BTS didn't stand a chance.
and the main reason: not azubu
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On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless.
But but but... where is alliance? :D
Anyway why is artour so poor
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On January 31 2016 22:03 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:59 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 21:56 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:55 Asha wrote:On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time The key is to throw out so much bullshit that something you say has to be right eventually --- Game looking decent for EG now though the Clinkz's lack of farm could be problematic Everyone who knows anything about Dota in this thread agree that Ehome's middle player is mediocre/bad. Only the people who only care about "disagreeing with Azarkon" think otherwise. you still dont understand how ehome works as a team. not every team needs a player like miracle or sumail in mid Personally I don't think that Ehome needs a miracle or suma1l to work. oldchicken could be the best fit. But that does not exclude the fact that oldchicken is not as mechanically good as his peers.
thats what i mean
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On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless.
Except they didn't win any such tournament.
And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen.
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Will this game go long enough for us to see a turret enchantress?
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Yea,this is some.serious outplay and outclass from.ehome 3 times in a row..what a team and what a drafter lanm is ..dumpatering EG 3 times in a row
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universe has the biggest back in all of dota 2
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On January 31 2016 22:07 TanGeng wrote:
I don't like RTZ carry, but whatever.
But he has like god-tier mechanics and everything! How could you doubt him!
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jesus christ this Agha Dragon Lance range is retarded O.o
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On January 31 2016 22:09 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Yea,this is some.serious outplay and outclass from.ehome 3 times in a row..what a team and what a drafter lanm is ..dumpatering EG 3 times in a row
i think old chicken is drafting
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On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen.
ehome participated in 13 tournaments with this team?
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I heard you guys were discussing about carry offlaners. Sproink Sproink
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On January 31 2016 22:08 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:03 DucK- wrote:On January 31 2016 21:59 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 21:56 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:55 Asha wrote:On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time The key is to throw out so much bullshit that something you say has to be right eventually --- Game looking decent for EG now though the Clinkz's lack of farm could be problematic Everyone who knows anything about Dota in this thread agree that Ehome's middle player is mediocre/bad. Only the people who only care about "disagreeing with Azarkon" think otherwise. you still dont understand how ehome works as a team. not every team needs a player like miracle or sumail in mid Personally I don't think that Ehome needs a miracle or suma1l to work. oldchicken could be the best fit. But that does not exclude the fact that oldchicken is not as mechanically good as his peers. thats what i mean
My understanding is that you were disputing the assessment that oldchicken is bad.
Were you acknowledging that assessment, but disputing the point that old chicken should be replaced because of it?
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On January 31 2016 22:10 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen. ehome participated in 13 tournaments with this team?
I was talking about China, not Ehome specifically, and Ehome did attend a large % of those tournaments, yes.
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ES just casually part of 15 out of 15 kills ...
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holy shit 20m dragon lance + aghs enchantress
thats going to hurt
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On January 31 2016 22:09 Ultimo Hombre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:09 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Yea,this is some.serious outplay and outclass from.ehome 3 times in a row..what a team and what a drafter lanm is ..dumpatering EG 3 times in a row i think old chicken is drafting
I think lanm gives most input in the draft no matter who drafts. Old chicken calls heir input shots tho.
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On January 31 2016 22:08 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. But but but... where is alliance? :D Anyway why is artour so poor
Because ppd skilled poison lvl 1 and fed 3 kills before either him or rtz were lvl 2 on the bot lane, which forced rtz to roam top and find scraps of farm elsewhere.
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ok ppd is keeping is team alife, literally. but the russian camerawork is super bad, i dont see anything.
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If Ehome win this, I'll boldly claim that they're the best team in the world and Cty is the best carry ever, so it doesn't matter whether the rest of China is bad or not!
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pretty sure they could have finished
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On January 31 2016 22:12 molecu wrote:
If Ehome win this, I'll boldly claim that they're the best team in the world and Cty is the best carry ever, so it doesn't matter whether the rest of China is bad or not!
Spoken like a true liquider!
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Potentially the first bo5 loss by EG in a double elimination tournament.
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On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen.
Define 'meaningful', then
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the game is still super close.
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On January 31 2016 22:14 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen. Define 'meaningful', then
according to azarkon, that would be...
any tournament that isnt won by chinesse teams
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On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen.
this guy haha
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On January 31 2016 22:14 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen. Define 'meaningful', then
Winning 3-4 tournaments in a few months.
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On January 31 2016 22:14 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen. Define 'meaningful', then
His meaningful is Chinese teams.attendin western tournaments lmao
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Some good pickoffs for EG!
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Also, Ehome isn't even ahead this game.
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On January 31 2016 22:13 babysimba wrote:
Potentially the first bo5 loss by EG in a double elimination tournament.
Summit 3.
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On January 31 2016 22:11 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:08 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 DucK- wrote:On January 31 2016 21:59 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 21:56 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:55 Asha wrote:On January 31 2016 21:54 babysimba wrote:
Azarkon never says anything right except when he predicts any one of the western team to win. He can't even predict the right team more than half the time The key is to throw out so much bullshit that something you say has to be right eventually --- Game looking decent for EG now though the Clinkz's lack of farm could be problematic Everyone who knows anything about Dota in this thread agree that Ehome's middle player is mediocre/bad. Only the people who only care about "disagreeing with Azarkon" think otherwise. you still dont understand how ehome works as a team. not every team needs a player like miracle or sumail in mid Personally I don't think that Ehome needs a miracle or suma1l to work. oldchicken could be the best fit. But that does not exclude the fact that oldchicken is not as mechanically good as his peers. thats what i mean My understanding is that you were disputing the assessment that oldchicken is bad. Were you acknowledging that assessment, but disputing the point that old chicken should be replaced because of it?
i would probably call him decent and not bad
and yes i dont see why you need the best player on every position for a team to be one of the best. just look at newbee at ti4. sansheng and banana are solid/decent supports that worked well with their two aggressive core players
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On January 31 2016 22:15 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:14 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen. Define 'meaningful', then Winning 3-4 tournaments in a few months.
so basically no team has done something 'meaningful'.
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On January 31 2016 22:17 Azarkon wrote:
Also, Ehome isn't even ahead this game.
Thats true ! first thing you said that makes sense for a while!
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On January 31 2016 22:17 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:13 babysimba wrote:
Potentially the first bo5 loss by EG in a double elimination tournament. Summit 3.
There no loser bracket at Summit 3.
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On January 31 2016 22:15 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:14 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen. Define 'meaningful', then Winning 3-4 tournaments in a few months.
So which teams have 'meaningful' accomplishments since the last TI, then?
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On January 31 2016 22:17 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:15 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:14 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen. Define 'meaningful', then Winning 3-4 tournaments in a few months. so basically no team has done something 'meaningful'.
I'm talking about regions.
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That's why you need a middle player who isn't bad, because when your off player has to play Enchantress to carry, that isn't going to work in the late game.
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And EG gifts morph a whole fucking eblade lmao.
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Now where is that taf guy who was writing walls of this text singing praises of ppd drafts few while ago.
Ehome are ahead now
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Doesn't matter because they've already won.
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On January 31 2016 22:20 Azarkon wrote:
Doesn't matter because they've already won.
Not yet this time.
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Just look at the heroes in play.
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ES aghs bullshit can still make EG's life hell
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On January 31 2016 22:19 Azarkon wrote:
That's why you need a middle player who isn't bad, because when your off player has to play Enchantress to carry, that isn't going to work in the late game.
oh yeah i forgot, sumail crushed mid in every game this tournament haha
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yeah es with aghs is a potential won teamfight every 30 seconds.
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Best veil pickup for just slave and LSA bonus dmg
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On January 31 2016 22:21 Azarkon wrote:
Just look at the heroes in play.
You mean ES aghs? And bkbs tend to run out in late game.
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Sanya12364 Posts
meh... Dota these days.
it's not as exciting anymore. I guess I'm out again.
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On January 31 2016 22:22 traumatism wrote:
What's EHOME doing
Probably playing safe as they kept running in one at a time earlier and burned through their buybacks.
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I'm jelly of those 6k people who are able to get MDL stream to work. The Russian stream would have been totally fine if not for the stupid robot voice everytime a donation happen.
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On January 31 2016 22:18 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:17 CxWiLL wrote:On January 31 2016 22:15 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:14 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:08 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:07 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:05 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:03 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 22:01 Azarkon wrote:
The three main advantages of Ehome are: Eleven, Lanm, and Cty, though the last is at times not much of an advantage due to his decisions. The other support is off and on - he has only a few heroes in which he has a large impact - while their middle player is their weakest player. However, I have heard that their middle player currently calls their in game moves & strategies. That could explain why they're keeping him. my guess would be that they keep him becasue they are theb est team in china right now. but you must be right Any team has room for improvement and "best team in China" isn't that big of an achievement given the last 10 months. Yeah man, winning a tournament with same teams as a major attending is pretty meaningless. Except they didn't win any such tournament. And even in case they win this one, that's one in thirteen. Define 'meaningful', then Winning 3-4 tournaments in a few months. so basically no team has done something 'meaningful'. I'm talking about regions.
no you weren't. wtf. go read what you quoted yourself
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rtz walked into the chrono, they would have gotten 3 and maybe push for more
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how the fuck can es get cought by a chrono?
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On January 31 2016 22:24 Elurie wrote:
I'm jelly of those 6k people who are able to get MDL stream to work. The Russian stream would have been totally fine if not for the stupid robot voice everytime a donation happen.
The donation is so annoying. Who even thinks that is a good idea over an actual game cast lol...
The observing is pretty shit too.
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On January 31 2016 22:25 Asha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:24 Elurie wrote:
I'm jelly of those 6k people who are able to get MDL stream to work. The Russian stream would have been totally fine if not for the stupid robot voice everytime a donation happen. The donation is so annoying. Who even thinks that is a good idea over an actual game cast lol... The observing is pretty shit too.
And it an official MDL cast channel... not sure what went wrong there.
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On January 31 2016 22:24 Elurie wrote:
I'm jelly of those 6k people who are able to get MDL stream to work. The Russian stream would have been totally fine if not for the stupid robot voice everytime a donation happen.
Why wouldnt you want to watch bulldongs stream with all the people there.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Suddenly Azarkon was right.
EHOME won this game.
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eleven and kaka are so good.
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On January 31 2016 22:22 hfglgg wrote:
yeah es with aghs is a potential won teamfight every 30 seconds.
30 seconds to next!
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that late stone remnant on enchantress was so smart!
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Wtf how did Enchantress survive?!
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On January 31 2016 22:27 lolfail9001 wrote:
Suddenly Azarkon was right.
EHOME won this game.
He said EG will win after that chain feeding.
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Everytime any of the pros start shouting PEEETEEER I crack up. I really shouldn't but I can't fucking help it.
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On January 31 2016 22:27 Elurie wrote:
Wtf how did Enchantress survive?!
es save + cheese
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On January 31 2016 22:28 RiZu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:27 lolfail9001 wrote:
Suddenly Azarkon was right.
EHOME won this game. He said EG will win after that chain feeding.
No he said "already won this game".
But forgot to mention that it was EHOME, i will pardon him for this small typo.
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On January 31 2016 22:28 RiZu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:27 lolfail9001 wrote:
Suddenly Azarkon was right.
EHOME won this game. He said EG will win after that chain feeding.
On January 31 2016 22:20 Azarkon wrote:
Doesn't matter because they've already won.
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Anyone knows why the stream isn't working for Singaporeans?
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rofl aether lens ES
like if he needs MORE range
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On January 31 2016 22:20 Azarkon wrote:
Doesn't matter because they've already won.
oh really?
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Well, when I said that Cty wasn't 9,000 ahead of everyone in the game. How the fuck?
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you can also watch it on youtube, if u cant stand bulldog like me;)
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both teams are playing incredibly nervous this game. really a coinflip
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arteezy fucked up REALLY badly when he ran into the fucking chrono
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Clinkz will never win this late game. It's a garbage hero that has no mobility mid fight, then lose its bonus damage towards the end of teamfights.
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On January 31 2016 22:31 Azarkon wrote:
Well, when I said that Cty wasn't 9,000 ahead of everyone in the game. How the fuck?
still was stupid to say it, when they were even in networth dude. but expected nothing else from you.
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On January 31 2016 22:33 babysimba wrote:
Clinkz will never win this late game. It's a garbage hero that has no mobility mid fight, then lose its bonus damage towards the end of teamfights.
its more about void than anything.
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good pick offs
but im not sure it was worth to use refresher on ANY hero that its not morph
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Katowice25012 Posts
this net worth graph is some serious morph s hit
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That last fight was how the line up is designed to work. It's why they OUGHT to have the advantage late game. There's no way the other two cores are of ANY use in team fights as long as Universe hits the spells.
Even with a full Morphling, I think this ought to be a won game. But who knows how Arteezy is going to throw it.
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Game can still easily go either way
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no one from ehome has buyback. i fully expect them to get caught out in the next 2 minutes and just lose.
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On January 31 2016 22:35 Azarkon wrote:
That last fight was how the line up is designed to work. It's why they OUGHT to have the advantage late game. There's no way the other two cores are of ANY use in team fights as long as Universe hits the spells.
one of the more laughable statements, thanks for the chuckle
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damn 60k viewers watching bulldonger
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On January 31 2016 22:36 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:35 Azarkon wrote:
That last fight was how the line up is designed to work. It's why they OUGHT to have the advantage late game. There's no way the other two cores are of ANY use in team fights as long as Universe hits the spells. one of the more laughable statements, thanks for the chuckle
Except it's 100% spot on.
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All EG has is single target focus firing when chrono is placed. But look Ehome has a fucking ES.
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On January 31 2016 22:36 RiZu wrote:
damn 60k viewers watching bulldonger
Barely 6k on the official stream, LOL.
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On January 31 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:
WHAT DID I SAY NERDS?
EHOME is still ahead on lines bruh.
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On January 31 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:
WHAT DID I SAY NERDS?
relax
2 lane down for ehome
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that was some superb play from cty there saving the game.
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On January 31 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:
WHAT DID I SAY NERDS?
It not over yet 
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wow creeps take bot rax for EHOME. Intense
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if it wasnt for azarkon this forum would be 100% dead
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On January 31 2016 22:39 lolfail9001 wrote:EHOME is still ahead on lines bruh.
Sure, but I was 100% spot on about how team fights were going to go.
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On January 31 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:
WHAT DID I SAY NERDS?
EHOME STILL AHEAD ON RAXES
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On January 31 2016 22:36 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:35 Azarkon wrote:
That last fight was how the line up is designed to work. It's why they OUGHT to have the advantage late game. There's no way the other two cores are of ANY use in team fights as long as Universe hits the spells. one of the more laughable statements, thanks for the chuckle
it's the counterstrike equivalent of: if he headshots everyone instantly, they win! it's right but not very smart
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On January 31 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:
WHAT DID I SAY NERDS?
I don't know, I just got here
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cty is an absolute madman
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theres been a few near-game winning chronos that just barely catch rtz too
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but does he have mana for refresher
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On January 31 2016 22:39 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:39 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:
WHAT DID I SAY NERDS? EHOME is still ahead on lines bruh. Sure, but I was 100% spot on about how team fights were going to go.
You mean the part where EG loses late game fights after sniping nobuyback Lion?
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On January 31 2016 22:25 Asha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:24 Elurie wrote:
I'm jelly of those 6k people who are able to get MDL stream to work. The Russian stream would have been totally fine if not for the stupid robot voice everytime a donation happen. The donation is so annoying. Who even thinks that is a good idea over an actual game cast lol... The observing is pretty shit too.
That's not an official Russian stream on twitch; it's some bright minds restreaming the Russian Azubu stream (and racking up donations by pretending they are actually the ones streaming it).
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holy fuck bulldog chat loading forever for me. Dem spams
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On January 31 2016 22:41 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:39 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:39 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:
WHAT DID I SAY NERDS? EHOME is still ahead on lines bruh. Sure, but I was 100% spot on about how team fights were going to go. You mean the part where EG loses late game fights after sniping nobuyback Lion?
The only reason Ehome didn't lose is because Universe caught Arteezy in Ehome's base.
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On January 31 2016 22:41 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:25 Asha wrote:On January 31 2016 22:24 Elurie wrote:
I'm jelly of those 6k people who are able to get MDL stream to work. The Russian stream would have been totally fine if not for the stupid robot voice everytime a donation happen. The donation is so annoying. Who even thinks that is a good idea over an actual game cast lol... The observing is pretty shit too. That's not an official Russian stream on twitch; it's some bright minds restreaming the Russian Azubu stream (and racking up donations by pretending they are actually the ones streaming it).
Ah, that's pretty scummy. I figured given it was featured on TL it was the official one
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enchantress has gained 4k networth in the last 30 minutes
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wtf are these creeps doing
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That was uncharacteristically messy by EG
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lmao Ehome takes down raxes without doing anything
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On January 31 2016 22:42 Asha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:41 Salazarz wrote:On January 31 2016 22:25 Asha wrote:On January 31 2016 22:24 Elurie wrote:
I'm jelly of those 6k people who are able to get MDL stream to work. The Russian stream would have been totally fine if not for the stupid robot voice everytime a donation happen. The donation is so annoying. Who even thinks that is a good idea over an actual game cast lol... The observing is pretty shit too. That's not an official Russian stream on twitch; it's some bright minds restreaming the Russian Azubu stream (and racking up donations by pretending they are actually the ones streaming it). Ah, that's pretty scummy. I figured given it was featured on TL it was the official one
try the Chinese one
it works well for me.
http://www.huomaotv.cn/index.php?c=huodong&a=mdl&f=5086
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carty the catapult doing work
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this game is a mess good lord
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The game would've been pretty simple had they not 1) messed up a fight at top, in which Arteezy went into Universe's ultimate and 2) messed up another fight at Ehome's base, in which Universe caught Arteezy in his ultimate. Of course the line up doesn't work when the carry gets caught in his own team's spells every fight.
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CTY still has buyback after all these mess
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Hmm. I think at this stage Viper should work towards utility items like Hex or Eblade. There's no use tanking up with Skadi, there's no use going dps.
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this tournament makes me appreciate the dedicated observers we usually get.
rtz just died off-screen lol
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gj @ EHOME
CHINA is alive again
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On January 31 2016 22:45 Azarkon wrote:
The game would've been pretty simple had they not 1) messed up a fight at top, in which Arteezy went into Universe's ultimate and 2) messed up another fight at Ehome's base, in which Universe caught Arteezy in his ultimate. Of course the line up doesn't work when the carry gets caught in his own team's spells every fight.
Well, they did mess up in the end.
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Ehome is lost on roshan timers and buyback status xD
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holy fucking shit cty. BALLS OF STEEL
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As expected PPD still had nothing for Big Dick Lanm
ez series ez tourny ez life
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gg,
even the godly universe cannot save the team for so many times.
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On January 31 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:
WHAT DID I SAY NERDS?
On January 31 2016 22:20 Azarkon wrote:
Doesn't matter because they've already won.
On January 31 2016 22:21 Azarkon wrote:
Just look at the heroes in play.
ROFL
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Put Azarkon on suicide watch ASAP, EHOME was not best team in the East alone, let alone world on his mind, it may put him over the edge.
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On January 31 2016 22:47 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:20 Azarkon wrote:
Doesn't matter because they've already won. ROFL
Cannot call that Arteezy would throw three fights.
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CTY has some retarded builds but holy shit is he legit player
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CTY has involve from 6 minute god, to every minute god
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Better team won. Good to see!
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yep, strong performance through and through.
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Great tournament from ehome, well deserved to them. Felt like EG were a little underwhelming in the final, but boy do we have a lot of great teams and prospects coming into the major.
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There we go!
There's hope for some decent dota from the local teams at the Shanghai major
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WP by ehome but RTOUR WHAT WAS THAT
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It's over.
Azarkon was right.
and WHAT A CTY.
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Damnit I went afk during the pause and missed the ending.
Well, good thing Bulldog's stream is behind haha.
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On January 31 2016 22:47 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:47 Faruko wrote:On January 31 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:
WHAT DID I SAY NERDS? On January 31 2016 22:20 Azarkon wrote:
Doesn't matter because they've already won. On January 31 2016 22:21 Azarkon wrote:
Just look at the heroes in play. ROFL Cannot call that Arteezy would throw three fights.
i call CHINA WILL WIN EVERYTHING.
i'll always be right because when they throw fights, i can't call that.
sick logic
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For once, I was left.
But I'll be back next month boys.
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The CTY story is a really good one. From pubstar to 6 minute god to legit beast carrying his team home
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Arteezy: Envy-senpai, notice me!
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Poll: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 3?Yes (32) 97% No (1) 3% If you have time (0) 0% 33 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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On January 31 2016 22:49 Azarkon wrote:
For once as per usual, I was left.
But I'll be back next month boys.
FTFY
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EHOME FUCK YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Damn Arteezy. Stop walking into Chronosphere. GG WP Ehome
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universe heaviest game of his life
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On January 31 2016 22:52 Doraemon wrote:
arteezy the new kong
Feels like it actually.
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On January 31 2016 22:52 SnowStormer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:49 Azarkon wrote:
For once as per usual, I was left.
But I'll be back next month boys. FTFY
Except "usual" would be 12/13 tournaments, in which I called for the West to win, even when people didn't believe they were going to, for example when two Chinese teams were in winner during the international and PPD's team was in loser.
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I only caught the tail end of this game but EHOME just had perfect answers to everything on EG it felt like.
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kudos to those calling a 3-0 to EG. you got it half right
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Poll: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 3?Yes (32) 97% No (1) 3% If you have time (0) 0% 33 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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that last chronosphere tho, wp ehome, eg slumped during this bo5 hard
arteezy please dont follow into ee's footsteps thanks
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When most were flaming CTY when RTZ first came on scene, I believe in his potential. Glad to see him under Lamn's tutelage
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This is probly the closest dota patch ever. Everyone can beat everyone. Alliance should have been there...
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It's fine. EHOME will now get studied by EG and destroyed in the majors xD
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Poll: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 4?Yes (5) 63% If you have time (3) 38% No (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 4? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 5?Yes (5) 50% No (3) 30% If you have time (2) 20% 10 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 5? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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Ehome the slayers of the west
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so many miss plays on both sides, rtz should have made a dagger after deso imo... how many chrono did he walk into?
and Uni had some amazing chronos, but on half of them, his team wasnt even ready...
good games, saving the victory for shanghai then!
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On January 31 2016 22:51 traumatism wrote:
UNIVERSE SCREWED UP
come on
universe was the only reason why EG was still in this game in the last 20 min.
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On January 31 2016 22:53 malcram wrote:kudos to those calling a 3-0 to EG. you got it half right
Yeah I guess. I wasn't expecting to ehome blowing them out. Arteezy running into chrono twice. FFS the kid can't make good decision makings in intense situations.
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On January 31 2016 22:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I only caught the tail end of this game but EHOME just had perfect answers to everything on EG it felt like.
they actually didnt for a huge period of time if chronospheres were on point, which they were cept for rtz after a while though EHOME started playing really chaotic dota with cty going in on backline while front chronos were stalled out
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Univoid is just another level though.
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Ehome Gaming the hope of Chinese Doto.
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EG had some gritty holds but then made boneheaded decisions like that throne attempt / losing melee rax to catapults lmao
GG well deserved title for Ehome
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On January 31 2016 22:53 Sloke wrote:Show nested quote +Poll: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 3?Yes (32) 97% No (1) 3% If you have time (0) 0% 33 total votes Your vote: Do you recommend EHOME vs EG Game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
One can only guess who that 1 vote was.
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On January 31 2016 22:54 Wintex wrote:
It's fine. EHOME will now get studied by EG and destroyed in the majors xD
tbh, i think ehome played better in some of theier other games, the same goes for eg imo.
cant wait for the majors tho, i think this patch looks rly good!
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On January 31 2016 22:54 BlazingGlory wrote:
This is probly the closest dota patch ever. Everyone can beat everyone. Alliance should have been there...
Alliance was watching and said both teams played pretty bad. Getting a bit full of themselves there but understandable.
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That was just a great series I think no matter who you were cheering for (unless you are like azarkon but if you are like azarkon life isnt worth living anyway)
Thank god it was these 2 teams in the finals
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You cant tell me ehomes game plan is to have chicken feed and have 0 impact, even if they won 3-0.
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i love it. just always get rekt EG. never win something again with rtz!
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On January 31 2016 22:53 neozxa wrote:
that last chronosphere tho, wp ehome, eg slumped during this bo5 hard
i think that eg played it similar to all their other games this tournament. they are not having a draft advantage over other teams and that they cant play some of the biggest heroes that patch (es, ld, chen) to the same level as other teams do hurt them.
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On January 31 2016 22:38 Dysisa wrote:Barely 6k on the official stream, LOL.
I tuned in late. Tried to load official stream and it wouldn't work. That's probably why Bulldog has so many more viewers.
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Even if Ehome was the better team in this series, I felt EG was the better team at game 3. Ehome was just too far ahead in items and had better heroes I feel. Game 1 and Game 2 I give directly to Ehome though.
For a championship winning team I think Ehome play too sloppily and was prone to many bad calls and that might get exploited in Shanghai.
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How the fuck can anyone deal with earth spirit. 1000 mile kick into massive stun while the team can't expect it. I think Icefrog needs to just remove that hero off captain's mode, holy shit.
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On January 31 2016 22:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:54 BlazingGlory wrote:
This is probly the closest dota patch ever. Everyone can beat everyone. Alliance should have been there... Alliance was watching and said both teams played pretty bad. Getting a bit full of themselves there but understandable.
so you on the Alliance's ship right now?
How can you abandon your PPD/EG ship so easily.
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On January 31 2016 22:56 uriel- wrote:
That was just a great series I think no matter who you were cheering for (unless you are like azarkon but if you are like azarkon life isnt worth living anyway)
Thank god it was these 2 teams in the finals
I'm not sad about this tournament, because even though I did call the West to win, I had hoped China would show a bit of life so that tournaments would stop being so boring. You can search my posts and find where I said that.
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i'm suprised EG let Earth Spirit through, the only reason the game went so bad was because of him.
What did he ban?
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BTW, did anyone else find it funny Arteezy attacking tier4's while there was a lane of rax open and everyone else was attacking it. He was also tanking most of the tier'4's himself.
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On January 31 2016 22:59 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:56 uriel- wrote:
That was just a great series I think no matter who you were cheering for (unless you are like azarkon but if you are like azarkon life isnt worth living anyway)
Thank god it was these 2 teams in the finals I'm not sad about this tournament, because even though I did call the West to win, I had hoped China would show a bit of life so that tournaments would stop being so boring. You can search my posts and find where I said that.
Because having 2 European teams in a final of a tournament automatically makes it boring? :-S
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I don't think they were on the same page, Arteezy and Universe that is, and I think we need to be prepared for conflict within the team. Hope they resolve it because we all know what happened last time there was conflict between Arteezy and the rest.
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On January 31 2016 23:00 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:59 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:56 uriel- wrote:
That was just a great series I think no matter who you were cheering for (unless you are like azarkon but if you are like azarkon life isnt worth living anyway)
Thank god it was these 2 teams in the finals I'm not sad about this tournament, because even though I did call the West to win, I had hoped China would show a bit of life so that tournaments would stop being so boring. You can search my posts and find where I said that. Because having 2 European teams in a final of a tournament automatically makes it boring? :-S
he cant spam the forum as much
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On January 31 2016 22:59 Kipsate wrote:
i'm suprised EG let Earth Spirit through, the only reason the game went so bad was because of him.
What did he ban?
Lone Druid and.... doh I can't remember lol.
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On January 31 2016 23:00 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:59 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:56 uriel- wrote:
That was just a great series I think no matter who you were cheering for (unless you are like azarkon but if you are like azarkon life isnt worth living anyway)
Thank god it was these 2 teams in the finals I'm not sad about this tournament, because even though I did call the West to win, I had hoped China would show a bit of life so that tournaments would stop being so boring. You can search my posts and find where I said that. Because having 2 European teams in a final of a tournament automatically makes it boring? :-S
Yes when it's the same teams over and over again.
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I wonder how NADota is doing right now. I might get Hypernatremia if I try to visit though.
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The spread between teams is so tight right now. There are like 8 teams that could win at Shangai and I wouldn't really be flummoxed.
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On January 31 2016 22:59 Kipsate wrote:
i'm suprised EG let Earth Spirit through, the only reason the game went so bad was because of him.
What did he ban?
LD + DP , ES is on a different level of OP right now in capable hands , when he gets Aghs its lights out.
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The question was did ppd got confused after game 1 and 2/loss and decided to not ban ES?
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Also, did Arteezy quit first before his team said game over at the end? It's sort of important for evaluating his state of mind, because this game I did feel as though there was a huge conflict within the team. Arteezy walked into Universe's ultimates *twice* and the final fight, Universe fucked up bad.
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Where are those who said ES is not OP. They probably sucked at using ES
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On January 31 2016 23:05 Azarkon wrote:
Also, did Arteezy quit first before his team said game over at the end? It's sort of important for evaluating his state of mind, because this game I did feel as though there was a huge conflict within the team.
we need teamspeak to know that, they probably decide it's over vocally before they type it out
the meme'rs always go crazy when rtz leaves the game, which I still don't understand why.
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On January 31 2016 23:04 Kamisamanachi wrote:
The question was did ppd got confused after game 1 and 2/loss and decided to not ban ES?
He had to decide: ban ES and let EHOME potentially get Void or ban something else let them have ES and get Void for universe. Guess the gamble didnt work out. Kaka 12:1 ES this tournament
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On January 31 2016 22:56 Super_Style wrote:
You cant tell me ehomes game plan is to have chicken feed and have 0 impact, even if they won 3-0.
I don't think that's really fair. Simply picking viper mid had a huge effect on EG's ability to lane and rotate in the early game, and Ehome made good use of this. Sure after this his impact diminished considerably as basically the other heroes took farm priority, but I think you're exaggerating a little.
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On January 31 2016 23:04 Kamisamanachi wrote:
The question was did ppd got confused after game 1 and 2/loss and decided to not ban ES?
They had to ban the bear and its old man. Not sure why the 2nd ban wasn't used on balanced spirit though... maybe they thought they could counter it?
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ES has 90% winrate this lan lmao
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arteezy walks into chrono twice, once with bkb, then gets popped by the lion when he has DR. quits before gg
raging for sure
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On January 31 2016 23:05 Azarkon wrote:
Arteezy walked into Universe's ultimates *twice* and the final fight, Universe fucked up bad.
Ahhh, you're the type that walks into a wall and then yell at the wall for getting in your way.
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On January 31 2016 23:06 Tuco wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:56 Super_Style wrote:
You cant tell me ehomes game plan is to have chicken feed and have 0 impact, even if they won 3-0. I don't think that's really fair. Simply picking viper mid had a huge effect on EG's ability to lane and rotate in the early game, and Ehome made good use of this. Sure after this his impact diminished considerably as basically the other heroes took farm priority, but I think you're exaggerating a little.
He was irrelevant later because he wasn't given farm priority. Why he wasn't given farm priority, and why Ehome never plays around him, ought to be all the answer you need. Teams have different priorities and for Ehome, that's getting Cty and Eleven ahead. Why? Because for Ehome, those two players are seen as the best players in terms of impact. There was a period of time when they tried to prioritize chicken, and it didn't work because he'd fuck up and waste all the farm.
It IS a weakness because there are only so many heroes that can be played in off. Fortunately for Ehome, currently there isn't a huge variety of effective heroes in the middle, which allows them to ban the middle heroes they aren't able to run. But in case that changes, then their middle is going to be a huge problem.
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On January 31 2016 23:11 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:06 Tuco wrote:On January 31 2016 22:56 Super_Style wrote:
You cant tell me ehomes game plan is to have chicken feed and have 0 impact, even if they won 3-0. I don't think that's really fair. Simply picking viper mid had a huge effect on EG's ability to lane and rotate in the early game, and Ehome made good use of this. Sure after this his impact diminished considerably as basically the other heroes took farm priority, but I think you're exaggerating a little. He was irrelevant later because he wasn't given farm priority. Why he wasn't given farm priority, and why Ehome never plays around him, ought to be all the answer you need. Teams have different priorities and for Ehome, that's getting Cty and Eleven ahead. Why? Because for Ehome, those two players are seen as the best players in terms of impact. There was a period of time when they tried to prioritize chicken, and it didn't work because he'd fuck up and waste all the farm. It IS a weakness because there are only so many heroes that can be played in off. Fortunately for Ehome, currently there isn't a huge variety of effective heroes in the middle, which allows them to ban the middle heroes they aren't able to run. But in case that changes, then their middle is going to be a huge problem.
when exactly did they prioritize chicken? and what mid heroes are they not running?
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On January 31 2016 23:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:11 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 23:06 Tuco wrote:On January 31 2016 22:56 Super_Style wrote:
You cant tell me ehomes game plan is to have chicken feed and have 0 impact, even if they won 3-0. I don't think that's really fair. Simply picking viper mid had a huge effect on EG's ability to lane and rotate in the early game, and Ehome made good use of this. Sure after this his impact diminished considerably as basically the other heroes took farm priority, but I think you're exaggerating a little. He was irrelevant later because he wasn't given farm priority. Why he wasn't given farm priority, and why Ehome never plays around him, ought to be all the answer you need. Teams have different priorities and for Ehome, that's getting Cty and Eleven ahead. Why? Because for Ehome, those two players are seen as the best players in terms of impact. There was a period of time when they tried to prioritize chicken, and it didn't work because he'd fuck up and waste all the farm. It IS a weakness because there are only so many heroes that can be played in off. Fortunately for Ehome, currently there isn't a huge variety of effective heroes in the middle, which allows them to ban the middle heroes they aren't able to run. But in case that changes, then their middle is going to be a huge problem. when exactly did they prioritize chicken?
Back when Eleven was playing Tuskar every game and he was playing Tiny.
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On January 31 2016 22:53 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:52 SnowStormer wrote:On January 31 2016 22:49 Azarkon wrote:
For once as per usual, I was left.
But I'll be back next month boys. FTFY Except "usual" would be 12/13 tournaments, in which I called for the West to win, even when people didn't believe they were going to, for example when two Chinese teams were in winner during the international and PPD's team was in loser.
dude you alwas say west wins, beause you hate the chinese. cant you just admit it?
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On January 31 2016 23:17 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:53 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:52 SnowStormer wrote:On January 31 2016 22:49 Azarkon wrote:
For once as per usual, I was left.
But I'll be back next month boys. FTFY Except "usual" would be 12/13 tournaments, in which I called for the West to win, even when people didn't believe they were going to, for example when two Chinese teams were in winner during the international and PPD's team was in loser. dude you alwas say west wins, beause you hate the chinese. cant you just admit it?
Wrong. I'd say that the Chinese would win when I personally believe it, and I'd personally believe it when the evidence favors their victory.
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On January 31 2016 22:58 Danzo wrote:
How the fuck can anyone deal with earth spirit. 1000 mile kick into massive stun while the team can't expect it. I think Icefrog needs to just remove that hero off captain's mode, holy shit.
peter, is that you?
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On January 31 2016 23:12 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 23:11 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 23:06 Tuco wrote:On January 31 2016 22:56 Super_Style wrote:
You cant tell me ehomes game plan is to have chicken feed and have 0 impact, even if they won 3-0. I don't think that's really fair. Simply picking viper mid had a huge effect on EG's ability to lane and rotate in the early game, and Ehome made good use of this. Sure after this his impact diminished considerably as basically the other heroes took farm priority, but I think you're exaggerating a little. He was irrelevant later because he wasn't given farm priority. Why he wasn't given farm priority, and why Ehome never plays around him, ought to be all the answer you need. Teams have different priorities and for Ehome, that's getting Cty and Eleven ahead. Why? Because for Ehome, those two players are seen as the best players in terms of impact. There was a period of time when they tried to prioritize chicken, and it didn't work because he'd fuck up and waste all the farm. It IS a weakness because there are only so many heroes that can be played in off. Fortunately for Ehome, currently there isn't a huge variety of effective heroes in the middle, which allows them to ban the middle heroes they aren't able to run. But in case that changes, then their middle is going to be a huge problem. when exactly did they prioritize chicken? Back when Eleven was playing Tuskar every game and he was playing Tiny.
didnt they win the majority of games when eleven was on tusk and chicken played a farming/core mid?
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On January 31 2016 23:17 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:53 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:52 SnowStormer wrote:On January 31 2016 22:49 Azarkon wrote:
For once as per usual, I was left.
But I'll be back next month boys. FTFY Except "usual" would be 12/13 tournaments, in which I called for the West to win, even when people didn't believe they were going to, for example when two Chinese teams were in winner during the international and PPD's team was in loser. dude you alwas say west wins, beause you hate the chinese. cant you just admit it?
nah
azarkon is the biggest fan boi of chinese dota.
he watched most of the chinese tournaments, which even some most hard core fans cannot.
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He's masochist I think...or tsundere,to be precise
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On January 31 2016 23:21 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:17 hunter_x wrote:On January 31 2016 22:53 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:52 SnowStormer wrote:On January 31 2016 22:49 Azarkon wrote:
For once as per usual, I was left.
But I'll be back next month boys. FTFY Except "usual" would be 12/13 tournaments, in which I called for the West to win, even when people didn't believe they were going to, for example when two Chinese teams were in winner during the international and PPD's team was in loser. dude you alwas say west wins, beause you hate the chinese. cant you just admit it? nah azarkon is the largest fan boi of chinese dota. he watched most of the chinese tournaments, which even some most hard core fans cannot.
sounds to me like a flamer with too much free time.
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On January 31 2016 23:20 Nymzee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:12 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 23:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 23:11 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 23:06 Tuco wrote:On January 31 2016 22:56 Super_Style wrote:
You cant tell me ehomes game plan is to have chicken feed and have 0 impact, even if they won 3-0. I don't think that's really fair. Simply picking viper mid had a huge effect on EG's ability to lane and rotate in the early game, and Ehome made good use of this. Sure after this his impact diminished considerably as basically the other heroes took farm priority, but I think you're exaggerating a little. He was irrelevant later because he wasn't given farm priority. Why he wasn't given farm priority, and why Ehome never plays around him, ought to be all the answer you need. Teams have different priorities and for Ehome, that's getting Cty and Eleven ahead. Why? Because for Ehome, those two players are seen as the best players in terms of impact. There was a period of time when they tried to prioritize chicken, and it didn't work because he'd fuck up and waste all the farm. It IS a weakness because there are only so many heroes that can be played in off. Fortunately for Ehome, currently there isn't a huge variety of effective heroes in the middle, which allows them to ban the middle heroes they aren't able to run. But in case that changes, then their middle is going to be a huge problem. when exactly did they prioritize chicken? Back when Eleven was playing Tuskar every game and he was playing Tiny. didnt they win the majority of games when eleven was on tusk and chicken played a farming/core mid?
They did well for a time but were soon destroyed by top Western teams. Look at Ehome's tournament results - they were doing very well in China but had issues whenever they faced top Western teams. To be fair so did every other Chinese team, but the difference is that Ehome's results outside of China didn't show them to be the best Chinese team.
From what I hear from Reddit, Ehome is still the best team in China, and is destroying other Chinese teams in practice. But this is their first big win against Western teams.
The changes have been positive for Ehome, as their off player is now able to show off his skill, while their weaknesses in middle are less important than before because there are fewer effective middle carries.
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On January 31 2016 23:17 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 22:53 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:52 SnowStormer wrote:On January 31 2016 22:49 Azarkon wrote:
For once as per usual, I was left.
But I'll be back next month boys. FTFY Except "usual" would be 12/13 tournaments, in which I called for the West to win, even when people didn't believe they were going to, for example when two Chinese teams were in winner during the international and PPD's team was in loser. dude you alwas say west wins, beause you hate the chinese. cant you just admit it?
It's probably more that he likes the attention and having a persona.
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On January 31 2016 23:24 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:20 Nymzee wrote:On January 31 2016 23:12 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 23:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On January 31 2016 23:11 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 23:06 Tuco wrote:On January 31 2016 22:56 Super_Style wrote:
You cant tell me ehomes game plan is to have chicken feed and have 0 impact, even if they won 3-0. I don't think that's really fair. Simply picking viper mid had a huge effect on EG's ability to lane and rotate in the early game, and Ehome made good use of this. Sure after this his impact diminished considerably as basically the other heroes took farm priority, but I think you're exaggerating a little. He was irrelevant later because he wasn't given farm priority. Why he wasn't given farm priority, and why Ehome never plays around him, ought to be all the answer you need. Teams have different priorities and for Ehome, that's getting Cty and Eleven ahead. Why? Because for Ehome, those two players are seen as the best players in terms of impact. There was a period of time when they tried to prioritize chicken, and it didn't work because he'd fuck up and waste all the farm. It IS a weakness because there are only so many heroes that can be played in off. Fortunately for Ehome, currently there isn't a huge variety of effective heroes in the middle, which allows them to ban the middle heroes they aren't able to run. But in case that changes, then their middle is going to be a huge problem. when exactly did they prioritize chicken? Back when Eleven was playing Tuskar every game and he was playing Tiny. didnt they win the majority of games when eleven was on tusk and chicken played a farming/core mid? They did well for a time but were soon destroyed by top Western teams. Look at Ehome's tournament results - they were doing very well in China but had issues whenever they faced top Western teams. To be fair so did every other Chinese team, but the difference is that Ehome's results outside of China didn't show them to be the best Chinese team. From what I hear from Reddit, Ehome is still the best team in China, and is destroying other Chinese teams in practice. But this is their first big win against Western teams. The changes have been positive for Ehome, as their off player is now able to show off his skill, while their weaknesses in middle are less important than before because there are fewer effective middle carries.
Ehome has only played with this current roster for a few months, and the only Western team they've lost to is OG. But hey, keep talking out of your butt!
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guys calm your tits
EG is the runner up of the tournament
no need to exaggerate as if they're noobs and fail material
that would be a discussion for secret
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I don't think that flaming Azarkon to shut him up works. Gods knows people from gosugamers to reddit tried. I actually think it's one of his better qualities. He stands by what he says even if most people think it's wrong. He's the villain that we need but we don't deserve.
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Some of retards keep flaming old chicken without realize that he was doing the draft for EHOME this tournament, not LanM.
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On January 31 2016 23:30 molecu wrote:
I don't think that flaming Azarkon to shut him up works. Gods knows people from gosugamers to reddit tried. I actually think it's one of his better qualities. He stands by what he says even if most people think it's wrong. He's the villain that we need but we don't deserve.
Why would you want to shut him up? He's funny... well, kind of.
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On January 31 2016 23:34 honeylover wrote:
Some of retards keep flaming old chicken without realize that he was doing the draft for EHOME this tournament, not LanM.
can you not flame a drafter for their play?
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On January 31 2016 23:34 honeylover wrote:
Some of retards keep flaming old chicken without realize that he was doing the draft for EHOME this tournament, not LanM.
I'd flame ppd too for his play, too, but ppd is probably spending a lot of his in-game time yelling at RTZ to not go full stupid and RTZ still manages to go full stupid. Failed his job twice.
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On January 31 2016 23:49 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:34 honeylover wrote:
Some of retards keep flaming old chicken without realize that he was doing the draft for EHOME this tournament, not LanM. I'd flame ppd too for his play, too, but ppd is probably spending a lot of his in-game time yelling at RTZ to not go full stupid and RTZ still manages to go full stupid. Failed his job twice.
So ppd is the new puppey and rtz is the new xbox!
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are the finals worth watching?
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On February 01 2016 01:13 kju wrote:
are the finals worth watching?
Game 3 for sure! I missed game 1 and game 2 was meh.
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game 3 was super amazing from a spectator view, game 1 and 2 where outdrafts and kind of stomps.
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Ehome's teamwork was ridiculous in that final teamfight.
Universe silenced by kaka.
Sumail & Fear blew their ults on an aegis'd Enchantress.
Universe frogged by Lanm.
CTY finished Fear, turned and eblade Arteezy.
Arteezy evaporated by Lanm's spike-finger combo.
Sumail used refresher, popped CTY's linkens and Laguna.... which did nothing because lolSatanic.
Universe chrono missed Lanm, but killed Lion anyway to get rapier back.... while his team is already dead.
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On February 01 2016 00:20 calippo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:49 TanGeng wrote:On January 31 2016 23:34 honeylover wrote:
Some of retards keep flaming old chicken without realize that he was doing the draft for EHOME this tournament, not LanM. I'd flame ppd too for his play, too, but ppd is probably spending a lot of his in-game time yelling at RTZ to not go full stupid and RTZ still manages to go full stupid. Failed his job twice. So ppd is the new puppey and rtz is the new xbox!
Puts it all in perspective, doesn't it?
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On January 31 2016 23:39 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:34 honeylover wrote:
Some of retards keep flaming old chicken without realize that he was doing the draft for EHOME this tournament, not LanM. can you not flame a drafter for their play?
Huh? You don't get my words?
People keep blaming old chicken because he's not 'good enough' to be in EHOME.
But he was drafting the entire game in this tournament. That should explain why he is the best choice for EHOME at this moment. Don't question about old chicken anymore. He brings some revolutionary drafts.
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Why is it that the English audio (casting) when watching the replay in Dota TV is choppy, while the other languages are not choppy? MDL is the first tournament ticket I've bought, but it's disappointing how many of the matches have audio so choppy I have to turn it off.
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On January 31 2016 23:23 Kamisamanachi wrote:
He's masochist I think...or tsundere,to be precise
Tsundere is the perfect adjective.
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might have to do with the terrible routing to the perfect world servers.
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Pretty funny how hard the chinese fans are flaming the NA scene right now
gratz on your first tourny win since last spring
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On February 01 2016 02:51 Steelavocado wrote:
Pretty funny how hard the chinese fans are flaming the NA scene right now
gratz on your first tourny win since last spring
Azarkon smurf account confirmed
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Really all I'm saying is that EG should have won.
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On February 01 2016 02:27 mutantmagnet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:23 Kamisamanachi wrote:
He's masochist I think...or tsundere,to be precise Tsundere is the perfect adjective.
Mostly he's just tsuntsun actually
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How did Universe get buyback after they gg'd? He was like 200 gold short and then after the gg, he had buyback.
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On February 01 2016 04:46 pat777 wrote:
How did Universe get buyback after they gg'd? He was like 200 gold short and then after the gg, he had buyback.
maybe because arteezy left and his gold was distributed among the rest of the team?
if thats so it would open up amazing possibilites for out of the box plays. :D
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On February 01 2016 05:05 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 04:46 pat777 wrote:
How did Universe get buyback after they gg'd? He was like 200 gold short and then after the gg, he had buyback. maybe because arteezy left and his gold was distributed among the rest of the team? if thats so it would open up amazing possibilites for out of the box plays. :D
Yeah, I think that's most likely it. It just didn't happen immediately after Arteezy dc'ed. Is there some sort of delay before gold is distributed?
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On February 01 2016 02:51 Steelavocado wrote:
Pretty funny how hard the chinese fans are flaming the NA scene right now
gratz on your first tourny win since last spring
It's hilarious tbh. Seems like there's a lot of pent up rage for a team that's been their entire scenes daddy for like a year.
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On February 01 2016 05:16 pat777 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 05:05 hfglgg wrote:On February 01 2016 04:46 pat777 wrote:
How did Universe get buyback after they gg'd? He was like 200 gold short and then after the gg, he had buyback. maybe because arteezy left and his gold was distributed among the rest of the team? if thats so it would open up amazing possibilites for out of the box plays. :D Yeah, I think that's most likely it. It just didn't happen immediately after Arteezy dc'ed. Is there some sort of delay before gold is distributed?
Needs to abandon first I think
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On February 01 2016 06:59 EmilA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 05:16 pat777 wrote:On February 01 2016 05:05 hfglgg wrote:On February 01 2016 04:46 pat777 wrote:
How did Universe get buyback after they gg'd? He was like 200 gold short and then after the gg, he had buyback. maybe because arteezy left and his gold was distributed among the rest of the team? if thats so it would open up amazing possibilites for out of the box plays. :D Yeah, I think that's most likely it. It just didn't happen immediately after Arteezy dc'ed. Is there some sort of delay before gold is distributed? Needs to abandon first I think
I see. I'd love to see a teammate abandoning to give buyback money for another teammate used as an actual strat as hfglgg suggested. Or maybe abandon to give a teammate a faster rapier. It seems like it'll only be viable near the end of the game in some sort of base race scenario.
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On January 31 2016 23:18 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 23:17 hunter_x wrote:On January 31 2016 22:53 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 22:52 SnowStormer wrote:On January 31 2016 22:49 Azarkon wrote:
For once as per usual, I was left.
But I'll be back next month boys. FTFY Except "usual" would be 12/13 tournaments, in which I called for the West to win, even when people didn't believe they were going to, for example when two Chinese teams were in winner during the international and PPD's team was in loser. dude you alwas say west wins, beause you hate the chinese. cant you just admit it? Wrong. I'd say that the Chinese would win when I personally believe it, and I'd personally believe it when the evidence favors their victory.
*Cough*MVP3rdplaceTI5*Cough*
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EG lost? Maybe that will humble them some.
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On February 01 2016 02:51 Steelavocado wrote:
Pretty funny how hard the chinese fans are flaming the NA scene right now
gratz on your first tourny win since last spring
I'm sure it would happen to some extent either way, but a big part of the reason they are going so hard at this is because of EG's attitudes / Suma1l's 'china ez' comment.
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Finally got finished watching the games. Much credit to Old Chicken for the Series strategy. It's a skill that you normally don't see in Dota2, as beyond Bo3 is rare. (I come from SC2, so being able to plan a Bo5 or Bo7 is really important at the very top skill level.)
Game 1: Ehome came in with their "Eraser" strategy. ppd has settled on this in a few games, but only a few teams had realized how powerful drafting Lion with another Burst Damage Carry truly is. Simply erasing cores from team fights let's you snowball quickly. Also, credit where it was due: that was the perfect Ursa game and I quite appreciate pulling out rare picks in Finals and making them work.
Game 2: This is where both teams brought out their actual strategies, and it also (in hindsight) lays the foundation for how old chicken has been drafting. He has a slate of draft types he'll look for after the first few picks are set. (Since Earth Spirit is so damn broken, this makes a lot of sense.) That's why he burned almost his entire reserve time to 2nd pick a Rubick. ppd's draft was actually quite strong, save for 2 errors. Firstly, banning Visage was a mistake. In finals, there is never a "free" ban in the first stage. The second, and this has come up a few times now, is that leaving Sumail on a playmaker Mid leaves EG with so little damage. It works fine against Tier 2 teams, but against Tier 1 teams, you simply need two scaling cores across your 1-3 positions. If Universe is going to play an initiator as well, then you've got to find a lot of damage in Sumail & Arteezy.
Ehome's approach to dealing with a Batrider line up is the adjustment everyone else had made: scale to the late game with fairly defensive Cores. It's a bit like how everyone decided to deal with Broodmother or Silencer. (Which is also why the Broodmother ban came out.) EG had a net worth lead until minute 31, actually, and I thought it was a decent game, but I was really concerned about the Sumail Puck because Puck really only works if you have Bulldog on a carry. Oddly enough, Weaver was on the other side, which was a really good pick.
Game 3: Mostly because people interact with Earth Spirit in pubs and the way it wrecks the early game, this game is actually an example of how a great team can work around that problem. But then it simply highlights the actually broken part of the Hero: the utterly cancerous high ground defense. Except for that bottom lane ES + Enchantress domination, EG outplayed Ehome for the vast majority of that game. Earth Spirit is just that broken and causes that many problems. Universe was playing out of his mind with some of those brilliant Chronospheres. But a damn hard to break high ground defense eventually let Cty get to Raid Boss mode on Morphling, and that was the game. (Oddly enough, this is how OG beat EG in the group stage, which is why ppd letting the hero through was depressing.)
I know why ppd let the Earth Spirit through. But I knew it was a terrible idea the instant he did it. Kaka was 11-1 on the Hero going into this game. There's a reason for that. We saw how good Universe is on Faceless Void, but the cost to get it was just too much. Ehome had to play supremely well to capitalize on the opportunity, but letting them have Earth Spirit was just an unforced error. Yet they almost made it work. Beyond letting Earth Spirit through, it was a really good draft by ppd and actually a pretty bad one by old chicken. The Enchantress was pretty cute and it worked a little, but it was too cute by half. Cty farming into Raid Boss mode is what bailed them out.
All in all, congrats to Ehome. They've been the best Chinese team in 6.86 going into this LAN and they played really well at it. Their teamwork was really, really good and old chicken had a collection of strategies that worked to their strengths. They were able to execute and they won the tournament.
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Think you're underrating just how powerful the Enchantress pick was and how important it was to Ehome's game in G3 overall. She bought them an insane amount of time and space; without it their morph would never get the chance to get big, and also Enchantress remained a threat all the way until the end, they had to prioritize her as a target or she'd melt faces even though her farm fell off quite a bit towards late.
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On February 01 2016 06:53 blobrus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 02:51 Steelavocado wrote:
Pretty funny how hard the chinese fans are flaming the NA scene right now
gratz on your first tourny win since last spring It's hilarious tbh. Seems like there's a lot of pent up rage for a team that's been their entire scenes daddy for like a year.
What the fuck are you two even talking about? Everyone is flaming Azarkon more than anything, and then there's like 2 - 3 guys flaming RTZ. Wow, everyone is out to get you guys!!!!!!!
Stop being such sore losers, jesus.
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On February 01 2016 06:53 blobrus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 02:51 Steelavocado wrote:
Pretty funny how hard the chinese fans are flaming the NA scene right now
gratz on your first tourny win since last spring It's hilarious tbh. Seems like there's a lot of pent up rage for a team that's been their entire scenes daddy for like a year.
eg is just an super unlikeable team and has been for years. rtz, sumail, ppd and mason are all players who talk way to much unnecessary shit and have almost no redeeming traits aside from being good at what they do (well except mason, he is just terrible all around). for zai i am not sure if he had more emotions in his life than data in star trek. that leaves eg with 2/7 players i can sympathize with. and thats for someone who sees more of them because he follows the western scene, all the chinese get from them are "ez china" statements.
eg is a team that is through and through unlikeable unless you are a fan of them. that they get more hate when things go bad once in a while is totally expected.
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yea this guy aint a sadboy
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On February 01 2016 14:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Beyond letting Earth Spirit through, it was a really good draft by ppd and actually a pretty bad one by old chicken. The Enchantress was pretty cute and it worked a little, but it was too cute by half. Cty farming into Raid Boss mode is what bailed them out.
There's way more than just one person on the team becoming raid boss. They still need to not have bad positioning as a team. They still need to execute as a team. The game was still very close at the end, and could go either way.
It's very easy to blame Arteezy for not BKBing and getting evaporated by Eblade + Lion, because it seems like such an rookie mistake. But nobody blamed Universe for getting chain CC (silenced by ES then hexed by Lion), which basically took him out for the first half of the teamfight.
Instead of using Chrono to get rapier back from Lion (the Chrono actually missed Lion), I wonder if he could have used it to trap Morphling+Enchantress, allowing Lina and Dazzle to escape and defend their T4. Not sure if it would have matter in the end since Arteezy is without buyback.
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It's hilarious tbh. Seems like there's a lot of pent up rage for a team that's been their entire scenes daddy for like a year.
Pretty funny how hard the chinese fans are flaming the NA scene right now
gratz on your first tourny win since last spring
Wonder where these USA/EG fanbois were at throughout TI1-TI4, where every other scene were NA dota's daddy for 4 years...EG didn't even qualify for TI3 LOL...
What's this NA "scene" anyways? There is 1 EG, and that's it. Chinese aren't flaming NA scene, they're flaming Sumail specifically because of his shit attitude and arrogance. You didn't see the same arrogance from Navi/IG/A/Newbee Ti1-4. Suddenly NA/EG/Sumail had a good season and you see what he did? Compare his behavior with the rest of the TI winners and you'll see why people hate on him.
One more thing, on the Chinese stream, everyone was shouting "EZ", "EZ gaming(EG)"throughout the finals to taunt Sumail, and it was only changed to chants of Ehome after Ehome 3-0ed EG. Expect a even more hostile environment at Shanghai. People are already planning all these on Chinese forums. I wonder how much mental resilience our 16yo boy has GLHF in Shanghai Sumail.
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I wonder how much mental resilience our 16yo boy has
I'll be cheering for almost every Chinese team over EG, but this is pathetic.
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That's just too bad for Sumail I guess. One more update which I am not sure if it's true or just random photoshopping from Sgamer.
People already took Sumail's tweet and sent them to relevant authorities in order to prevent Sumail from getting a visa to China for Shanghai Majors. For EG and Sumail's sake I hope whatever visa they got for MDL was multi-journey and valid till Shanghai Major
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Wouldn't be as stupid as Sumail posting F**K China on twitter?
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On February 02 2016 14:27 Eetee wrote:
Wouldn't be as stupid as Sumail posting F**K China on twitter?
No, it would be even more stupid. Oh fucking no a kid posted a stupid tweet, let's lynch him for it. This whole drama saga is the most absurd thing I've ever seen. People need to grow a thicker skin if this actually offends them that much.
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Well imagine a normal traveler tweets "fuck USA" right before coming to USA for school/business/whatever, and someone really does report it to the immigration and customs with evidence, what you think happens?
And yes, the whole shitshow was a clownfest, but guess what started it? LOL you talk shit you expect hit simple as that.
IF and I mean only if sumail really gets denied entry, I am actually looking forward to ZAI standin for EG, RTZ move back to mid and Fear 1, would be a much better version of EG.
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On February 02 2016 15:06 blobrus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 14:27 Eetee wrote:
Wouldn't be as stupid as Sumail posting F**K China on twitter?
No, it would be even more stupid. Oh fucking no a kid posted a stupid tweet, let's lynch him for it. This whole drama saga is the most absurd thing I've ever seen. People need to grow a thicker skin if this actually offends them that much.
No, people don't need to grow a thicker skin; people need to learn some cultural sensitivity. Respect is a big deal in Chinese culture, also China in many ways is a rival of the US outside of DotA as well as in the game. When your rival team comes to your hometown then proceeds to talk shit to the local crowd... you seriously can't expect them to be met with anything but this kind of stuff. Like, if this was football or something EG would probably be having shit thrown at them on the way out.
He's a kid is a lame excuse because the kid is surrounded by grown up people, who should really be doing a better job of explaining to him what's ok and what is not ok to do. You've got a million eyes on you, you can't expect to say shit like 'F*** China' in front of them and not get a reaction out of it.
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On February 02 2016 14:27 Eetee wrote:
Wouldn't be as stupid as Sumail posting F**K China on twitter?
sumail is 16. if you are 16 you are generally seen as mentally retarded and there is a reason you cant vote, drink, smoke or for germany: cant even buy candy.
you dont take the words from mentally handicapped serious and you surely dont take the words from teenages serious.
edit: there is a difference between taking typical fan actions against a team or player like booing or ridicule them with chants and actively trying to damage the players/teams career. i hope we see more of the first in the future because it creates amazing atmospheres and sometimes super funny stuff but a fan should never do anything outside the stadium.
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Well what we think of sumail now is of no matter...if the reports are true...it's up to the customs officers to decide whether he's fit to enter the country.
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You do realize that if the Chinese Dota scene pulls off something so monumentally stupid as actually getting a player's visa intentionally denied, that it's a damn sight easier to get most of the Teams wanting to attend TI prevented as well?
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United States13143 Posts
On February 02 2016 15:09 Eetee wrote:
Well imagine a normal traveler tweets "fuck USA" right before coming to USA for school/business/whatever, and someone really does report it to the immigration and customs with evidence, what you think happens?
nothing, I would hope
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i would go even further here and say that if the combination of fan stupidity and authority stupidity leads to a tournament being less valuable, the country should not hold a tournament again.
usually bureaucracy helps to prevent stupid people affecting too much and i assume it will be the same in this case, but this is an action that has no positive outcome and only negative consequences for the chinese scene and its completely beyond me how any fan can even remotely support it.
its like throwing things on the playing field. it doesnt help anyone and in the worst case your team gets a default loss for it. fans should beat up those idiots who try to sabotage their own teams.
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We see similar behavior from bad fans all the time from EPL away games...fact remains that Sumail really brought this on himself. Why even give anyone an excuse in the first place...? All he had to do was to behave himself and none of this clownfest would have happened.
You do realize that if the Chinese Dota scene pulls off something so monumentally stupid as actually getting a player's visa intentionally denied, that it's a damn sight easier to get most of the Teams wanting to attend TI prevented as well?
How so? What has any Non-USA player said/done to prevent them getting a visa to the States, based on their behavior both online and IRL?
And again, if it really does happen(visa getting denied), how can you blame the Chinese fans/Immigration officer? Put yourself in the shoes of the Visa officer handling Sumail's visa request, yourself being a Chinese, and someone shows you the evidence of Sumail tweeting "f**k China", you'd have every right to deny the visa application.
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and a woman should not dress in short skirts when she doesnt want to be raped.........
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This shit is blowing up real quick on both reddit and Chinese forums...I hope someone from EG clarifies this or issue an apology or just do anything to prevent the denial of visa...what's the point of it if sumail can't even attend..
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On February 02 2016 16:35 Eetee wrote:
This shit is blowing up real quick on both reddit and Chinese forums...I hope someone from EG clarifies this or issue an apology or just do anything to prevent the denial of visa...what's the point of it if sumail can't even attend..
Reddit and Chinese forums.
Clearly the pinnacle of places that matter.
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On February 02 2016 16:26 hfglgg wrote:
and a woman should not dress in short skirts when she doesnt want to be raped.........
And something something Hitler!
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Reddit and Chinese forums.
Clearly the pinnacle of places that matter.
Yes it's doubtful that this report actually happened...but what if...what if really the govt just want to send a message and deny him entry?
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then the government is stupid.
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First time we heard of that regarding US/China/Russian Government? Still doesn't solve the potential issue here...
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tbh i dont even see an issue.
sumail being an idiot isnt anything new and apparently he deleted his tweet while his "ez china" comment was in a pub game anyway (a pub game, lol.). no one in china has anything to gain from denying the visa as well. i mean its not that china needs the peoples approvement to do anything anyway.
you are just blowing it out of proportion.
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We'll see...if he couldn't come because of this then it really kills the fun..
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these last 2 pages were funnier than all azarkon posts for this tournament combined.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Taking Chinese netizens serious
lol.
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On February 01 2016 22:13 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 06:53 blobrus wrote:On February 01 2016 02:51 Steelavocado wrote:
Pretty funny how hard the chinese fans are flaming the NA scene right now
gratz on your first tourny win since last spring It's hilarious tbh. Seems like there's a lot of pent up rage for a team that's been their entire scenes daddy for like a year. eg is just an super unlikeable team and has been for years. rtz, sumail, ppd and mason are all players who talk way to much unnecessary shit and have almost no redeeming traits aside from being good at what they do (well except mason, he is just terrible all around). for zai i am not sure if he had more emotions in his life than data in star trek. that leaves eg with 2/7 players i can sympathize with. and thats for someone who sees more of them because he follows the western scene, all the chinese get from them are "ez china" statements. eg is a team that is through and through unlikeable unless you are a fan of them. that they get more hate when things go bad once in a while is totally expected.
Yep. Ever since the SC2 days where they had plays like Idra, people have hated EG in NA because that's EG's persona. To them its good business but all I see is room for another NA team to capture a bigger part of the USA market (if they can actually play well enough to win).
As for Enchantress. Yeah people underestimate her. The fact she didn't really increase her networth for the last 30m of that game speaks to how different that game may have looked if that enchantress could get farm. She would have dominated behind the morphling.
On Sumail, professional anythings should learn not to say shit that hurts their image. Its that simple. Unfortunately most "athletes" are god damn idiotic which is why they play sports. People say stuff like "oh hes just a kid" but there are plenty of kids that age who can show maturity in a public spotlight because they are smart enough not to hurt their own image.
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Sanya12364 Posts
I've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.
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On February 02 2016 21:31 Corgi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 22:13 hfglgg wrote:On February 01 2016 06:53 blobrus wrote:On February 01 2016 02:51 Steelavocado wrote:
Pretty funny how hard the chinese fans are flaming the NA scene right now
gratz on your first tourny win since last spring It's hilarious tbh. Seems like there's a lot of pent up rage for a team that's been their entire scenes daddy for like a year. eg is just an super unlikeable team and has been for years. rtz, sumail, ppd and mason are all players who talk way to much unnecessary shit and have almost no redeeming traits aside from being good at what they do (well except mason, he is just terrible all around). for zai i am not sure if he had more emotions in his life than data in star trek. that leaves eg with 2/7 players i can sympathize with. and thats for someone who sees more of them because he follows the western scene, all the chinese get from them are "ez china" statements. eg is a team that is through and through unlikeable unless you are a fan of them. that they get more hate when things go bad once in a while is totally expected. Yep. Ever since the SC2 days where they had plays like Idra, people have hated EG in NA because that's EG's persona. To them its good business but all I see is room for another NA team to capture a bigger part of the USA market (if they can actually play well enough to win). As for Enchantress. Yeah people underestimate her. The fact she didn't really increase her networth for the last 30m of that game speaks to how different that game may have looked if that enchantress could get farm. She would have dominated behind the morphling. On Sumail, professional anythings should learn not to say shit that hurts their image. Its that simple. Unfortunately most "athletes" are god damn idiotic which is why they play sports. People say stuff like "oh hes just a kid" but there are plenty of kids that age who can show maturity in a public spotlight because they are smart enough not to hurt their own image.
To be fair, Ench items matter way less after Aghs/Lance. Those two items represent such a massive power spike that they make it perfectly reasonable to let item progression stagnate in favor of teammates farming.
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On February 02 2016 15:50 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 15:09 Eetee wrote:
Well imagine a normal traveler tweets "fuck USA" right before coming to USA for school/business/whatever, and someone really does report it to the immigration and customs with evidence, what you think happens?
nothing, I would hope
One would think so, but hilariously enough the opposite has actually happened.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-16810312
British couple tweets that they are going to ' "destroy" (british slang for partying really hard) america' before their vacation and are subsequently denied entry. Travel agency urges tourists to be extremely careful with their language on twitter if they are planning on traveling to the USA.
I'm sure "Fuck China" could be construed as a threat by some overzealous immigration official.
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On February 03 2016 04:18 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 15:50 Elyvilon wrote:On February 02 2016 15:09 Eetee wrote:
Well imagine a normal traveler tweets "fuck USA" right before coming to USA for school/business/whatever, and someone really does report it to the immigration and customs with evidence, what you think happens?
nothing, I would hope One would think so, but hilariously enough the opposite has actually happened. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-16810312British couple tweets that they are going to ' "destroy" (british slang for partying really hard) america' before their vacation and are subsequently denied entry. Travel agency urges tourists to be extremely careful with their language on twitter if they are planning on traveling to the USA. I'm sure "Fuck China" could be construed as a threat by some overzealous immigration official.
Yeah, but the US is also twice as paranoid as any other country.
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