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if you go single core against multiple cores you make sure that their cores arent as farmed as yours, but with the lanes they played eg was on a disadvantage on both sidelanes and mid was even. the only way to come back from this is with strong pressure once the first core items are achieved, but at that point weaver had already linkens and was incredible hard to kill while abaddon and rubick are good at countering batriders initiations. eg didnt really have amazing early push potential either so yeah, there was little they could do after the lanes failed. the only times when eg did achieve something on the map it was because ehome walked into them one by one for no reason.
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On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph.
Did you watch LGD's games?
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On January 31 2016 21:21 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:20 rabidch wrote:On January 31 2016 21:15 bluzi wrote:
Puck is still not a hero , as a mid he does almost nothing past 35 min except items he has , sad but thats how it is puck is still good, but the hero has to be used correctly. of course puck is weaker as the game goes on but thats why u draft around the heroes strengths and not its weaknesses. ppd made the mistake of having a difficult to execute strategy by putting himself into a single core strategy instead of double core like alliance prefers it Alliance has an off player who prefers late game carries. Universe is not that sort of player and has never been.
I dont think I agree, Universe playes the game he needs to play, he is a fantastic farmer and would have no problem playing late game carris. its just that eg already have rtz and sumail, it would be fucking stupid picking late game carries for Uni.
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On January 31 2016 21:20 Atoissen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly.
He wasn't sacrificed this game actually. He had a 1v1 match up mainly, made several rotations, and fucked up plenty.
Some games old chicken is a boss. But more often than not, I see him as just another piece of the puzzle. He has a role to perform and tries to execute it. But he is not one to count on to make the extra plays to win a game.
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On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games?
You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here.
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On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here.
Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In case you're going to argue Maybe was playing cores when he went Quas Wex Invoker, then Ehome had three cores and Sumail was playing a core.
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On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games.
I saw it when played like it should , split push HARD make other team respond come back kill stragllers , and putting pressure all over the map once you get farm , EG played it like an OD most of the time , farm farm farm fight , die , rinse repeat ., the hero will not just show up to a fight and clean house vs a really strong dual core it just cant. (unless he is the only hard carry of course)
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On January 31 2016 21:25 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:20 Atoissen wrote:On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly. He wasn't sacrificed this game actually. He had a 1v1 match up mainly, made several rotations, and fucked up plenty. Some games old chicken is a boss. But more often than not, I see him as just another piece of the puzzle. He has a role to perform and tries to execute it. But he is not one to count on to make the extra plays to win a game.
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On January 31 2016 21:22 Gevna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:19 CxWiLL wrote:
I don't know why there is so much hate on old chicken.
I have heard about him since he was in EP, and actually I like his style.
No something fancy and cocky, but his build and mid game decision is always on point.
It is simply some culture difference between the east and west in this game.
Chinese dota simply don't like those high risk high reward plays.
Even in pubs you can easily get flamed jumping in like sumail or w33 did. He missed few spells which is enough to say that he is the worst player who has ever played Dota.
he fucked up his combo multiple times early game but at that point ehome was fighting to hold, i don't agree with some of his tactical decisions and his mechanics needs work but it's more due to the chaotic nature of ehome's defense, we shouldn't judge because you are not playing the game, you don't know the pressure.
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On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core.
In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm.
Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point.
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On January 31 2016 21:25 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:20 Atoissen wrote:On January 31 2016 21:05 DucK- wrote:
Old chicken is actually a mediocre mid. Not someone you can count on or build around with.
wtf lol? old chicken is a great player, he just got sacrificed in that game, and rightfully so, weaver and bear was the key to winning. they just needed invo for the QW spells rly. He wasn't sacrificed this game actually. He had a 1v1 match up mainly, made several rotations, and fucked up plenty. Some games old chicken is a boss. But more often than not, I see him as just another piece of the puzzle. He has a role to perform and tries to execute it. But he is not one to count on to make the extra plays to win a game.
so you are saying he's no miracle-
that's ok i guess
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On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm.
Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries as well.
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Old chicken
I will like him forever for that nickname
And i imagine he's the dude that survived the great sorrow of fried chicken massacre.
He went through a lot.
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On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays.
Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core.
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On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point.
Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha
We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow.
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On January 31 2016 21:31 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays. Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core.
Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already?
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On January 31 2016 21:31 neozxa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point. Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow.
VP already choked once, so i wouldn't be surprised and yeah, i do think pdd is just trying out what works despite repeating same mistakes as against Alliance.
On January 31 2016 21:32 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:
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LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays. Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core. Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already?
I have seen Universe play a fucking Troll Warlord in 6.81 (or was that 6.80), so you said nothing. It did not end well but for other reasons.
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On January 31 2016 21:32 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:31 neozxa wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point. Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow. VP already choked once, so i wouldn't be surprised and yeah, i do think pdd is just trying out what works despite repeating same mistakes as against Alliance.
It's amazing how you miss the obvious: that he's trying the same heroes Alliance used to destroy his team, but with differences made for his team because his players doesn't play the exact same heroes.
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On January 31 2016 21:32 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:31 neozxa wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:16 bluzi wrote:On January 31 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
Second game, PPD already came up with a strategy that works LOL he got OUTDRAFTED HARD , they had no chance late game vs EHOME and they picked a greedy carry that wants to go late game , good thing you arent biased So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Also, Maybe did not play QW voker against Morphling so you're spouting BS at this point. Makes me think that ppd is just testing out drafts against a top tier chinese team at this point instead of trying to win the game haha We'll see, maybe they can comeback and with 3 games in a row somehow. VP already choked once, so i wouldn't be surprised and yeah, i do think pdd is just trying out what works despite repeating same mistakes as against Alliance. Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:32 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:28 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On January 31 2016 21:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 Azarkon wrote:
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So you're saying you haven't seen games where Morphling carries against two opponent carries. And I thought you watch Chinese games. The absolute irony of your statement is that the only 2 times this arguably happened in this tournament it was Arteezy morph. Did you watch LGD's games? You mean LGD vs OG? It was duo core vs duo core with some heavyweight offlaners, so your example is at fault here. Quas Wex Invoker is not a core. In this game? LD and Weaver are the duo core against do-little-cause-hero-is-trash puck, countered-to-the-balls bat and morph to pull the weight while being barely even on farm. Puck is a fine hero for the first 25 minutes of the game. You must have forgotten that Alliance also plays the hero and destroys with it. The difference is that Universe doesn't play the carries Alliance's off player plays. Alliance plays the hero as playmaker while having duo farming core, so hero is not that bad. EG had it as a playmaker with another playmaker and a single core. Yes because Universe doesn't play carries except for Furion. I thought I said that already? I have seen Universe play a fucking Troll Warlord in 6.81 (or was that 6.80), so you said nothing. It did not end well but for other reasons.
Yes let's use a 6.81 lost game as an example of what Universe plays successfully in professional games.
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On January 31 2016 21:28 haduken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 21:22 Gevna wrote:On January 31 2016 21:19 CxWiLL wrote:
I don't know why there is so much hate on old chicken.
I have heard about him since he was in EP, and actually I like his style.
No something fancy and cocky, but his build and mid game decision is always on point.
It is simply some culture difference between the east and west in this game.
Chinese dota simply don't like those high risk high reward plays.
Even in pubs you can easily get flamed jumping in like sumail or w33 did. He missed few spells which is enough to say that he is the worst player who has ever played Dota. he fucked up his combo multiple times early game but at that point ehome was fighting to hold, i don't agree with some of his tactical decisions and his mechanics needs work but it's more due to the chaotic nature of ehome's defense, we shouldn't judge because you are not playing the game, you don't know the pressure.
I was sacarstic and so yes I agree. He needed to be solid for Ehome to hold early game. But watching the decision making and the coordination from the whole Ehome makes me think that you can't just condemn Oldchicken alone based of missed combos.
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