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bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
December 01 2015 17:59 GMT
#701
OG are just better , they didnt give Navi credit for Ember and payed for it , they like their healing support very much.... and its working for them nicely , Alliance played nicely this game , nothing you can do
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
December 01 2015 18:00 GMT
#702
Cant kill the Bristle without the fountain hahahah
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 01 2015 18:01 GMT
#703
On December 02 2015 02:56 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 02:54 DucK- wrote:
Yep exactly as I said.

OG is just one of the best teams right now. From basically any position that isn't horrendous, you can say that a significantly better team will find a way to win, and most of the time they will. More useful to say exactly what's needed to win from each side.


No. I'm saying it is all down to draft. Alliance's draft simply isn't good against og's. The laning stage is deceptive just because huskar couldn't rambo like usual, but he still can farm. Meanwhile bristle has an easy time doing bristle things. You can stop 1 tank, but you can't stop 2.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-01 18:02:42
December 01 2015 18:01 GMT
#704
On December 02 2015 02:59 bluzi wrote:
OG are just better , they didnt give Navi credit for Ember and payed for it , they like their healing support very much.... and its working for them nicely , Alliance played nicely this game , nothing you can do

Yes and No, they draft an awful line up agaisnt ember and ditya ra took advantage out of it, on the other hand, they almost win game 3 but that rosh steal gave navi enough time to get 1 more item (rapier) that end up deciding the game
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-01 18:03:55
December 01 2015 18:03 GMT
#705
On December 02 2015 03:01 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 02:56 Acritter wrote:
On December 02 2015 02:54 DucK- wrote:
Yep exactly as I said.

OG is just one of the best teams right now. From basically any position that isn't horrendous, you can say that a significantly better team will find a way to win, and most of the time they will. More useful to say exactly what's needed to win from each side.


No. I'm saying it is all down to draft. Alliance's draft simply isn't good against og's. The laning stage is deceptive just because huskar couldn't rambo like usual, but he still can farm. Meanwhile bristle has an easy time doing bristle things. You can stop 1 tank, but you can't stop 2.

To be fair, if akke and nuts were playing coordinated they could have won many fights, there werent enough curse into AA blast, at least not meaningful ones
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
December 01 2015 18:03 GMT
#706
The cycle of Na'Vi and Alliance continues.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 01 2015 18:05 GMT
#707
Gyro managed to have a decent start with many kills because of his skill set + AA ult. But you can see when his spells start becoming irrelevant, gyro becomes a deadweight against this lineup.

This is yet another evidence of why you simply shouldn't 2nd pick a gyro. Way too easy to counter.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 01 2015 18:07 GMT
#708
On December 02 2015 03:05 DucK- wrote:
Gyro managed to have a decent start with many kills because of his skill set + AA ult. But you can see when his spells start becoming irrelevant, gyro becomes a deadweight against this lineup.

This is yet another evidence of why you simply shouldn't 2nd pick a gyro. Way too easy to counter.

Which carry do you think would have worked well here?
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 01 2015 18:08 GMT
#709
Once og realised that all they needed was for wisp to save the huskar or bb when they get AA ult, game was over. Alliance also needed a good ww ult, but how do you do so when og sits 3 heroes behind, while huskar and bb just runs wherever they want to.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
December 01 2015 18:09 GMT
#710
On December 02 2015 03:03 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The cycle of Na'Vi and Alliance continues.

As long as it stays as it is today, I don't care
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
December 01 2015 18:12 GMT
#711
On December 02 2015 02:26 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 02:23 Faruko wrote:
can casters show networth for ffs, with this many kills cs its kinda meaningless

"I dont think they have all the farm"

you know you can put the networth right ? jesus

I prefer no graph casting, like the old BW style. I hate those "XXX gold swing! Now the networth difference is YYY!"

exactly, I was just thinking about this. it makes casting so much more shallow. not to mention that most of the time, the numbers don't mean shit. 5k gold advantage is the same as 0 gold advantage if that gold is unspent. how about talking about the story of the game and who picks up a game-changing item instead of just re-iterating numbers over and over again
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 01 2015 18:16 GMT
#712
On December 02 2015 03:07 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 03:05 DucK- wrote:
Gyro managed to have a decent start with many kills because of his skill set + AA ult. But you can see when his spells start becoming irrelevant, gyro becomes a deadweight against this lineup.

This is yet another evidence of why you simply shouldn't 2nd pick a gyro. Way too easy to counter.

Which carry do you think would have worked well here?


It is not so much of which carry would work in this lineup. I'm analyzing from a draft perspective, because gyro was 2nd picked. This opens og to either go huskar pl or am (go look at past games and see how og always draft against 2nd pick gyro), because they haven't committed any cores yet. It doesn't help that alliance also committed into a tiny, which means it is hard for them to adjust and get a good single target hitter mid like TA or wr or something.

Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
December 01 2015 18:24 GMT
#713
WW and dazzle on OG again, AA banned

cya next time [A]
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
December 01 2015 18:25 GMT
#714
KotL 0-13 this patch
feels bad
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-01 18:27:53
December 01 2015 18:26 GMT
#715
Og was really considering to first 2nd pick dazzle + ww, but they were afraid of 2nd pick AA response.

Anyway naga coming.

[Edit]

Nope. Goes for gyro, a hero that sucks against pl and wyvern. Gg time to sleep.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 01 2015 18:27 GMT
#716
rape incoming
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 01 2015 18:32 GMT
#717
switch your Xsplit damn it :D
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34172 Posts
December 01 2015 18:40 GMT
#718
akke lmao pls
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 01 2015 18:40 GMT
#719
well this was just sad
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
December 01 2015 18:41 GMT
#720
Akke. . .

Oh dear.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
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