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A few USA chants are fine but please don't do it too much.
Stop the stupid USA arguments, thanks.
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On August 09 2015 06:04 TheYango wrote:
TI2 is the only time the WB finalist lost in the Grand Finals, and the one time they did, it was 3-1 anyway. For all the hubbub people make about no WB advantage, it hasn't really made a difference.
Also, was not it working out in a way that TI2 schedule had LGD play 2 series in a row, Navi having a break between LB and GF and iG having like 1 game that day? Or was iG vs DK first match of final TI2 day?
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On August 09 2015 06:03 Clegane wrote:
Also, I root for EG but I picked CDEC flair. I win either way.
Liquid flair for life
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On August 09 2015 06:03 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:02 hfglgg wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 05:54 Sabu113 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:46 Shergal wrote:
WEC actually had double elimination grand finals, with two sets of BO3 played and the winner bracket team having to only win one (or was it two sets of BO5? Doesn't matter either way).
Double elimination tournaments are inherently shitty though. I never understood gaming's fetish for them. Double elimination exists because there is no consistency in team seeding and prize pool. If DotA had a proper team ranking system and a prize pool spread across every tournament in the year, the single elim would be fine. It's a fucking horrible idea when seeding is entirely dependent on luck and tournaments can eclipse the total sum of everything else in a year. Take this tournament for example. Top 6 teams, 5 were in Group B. I'm sorry gimping the grand finals is stupid. You get 2 lives to rule out luck in surviving the bracket. If you want 3 mil. Earn it. Plenty of SC tournaments were shit with the 1 game advantage. It's a huge up in terms of strategic flexibility. All the tournament is is qualification for that one match. Don't throw a fit just because EG might win lol You realise you are gimping the grand finals by not having a winners advantage right? If EG win its not a real victory and it kills any real sense of victory. If EG were to have to come from 1 game behind or win 2 Bo5 series then that would be hype as fuck and it would mean they truely are the TI champions. If they win now its like "well EG won buuuuuuuuut..." Basically if EG wins it'll just be anticlimactic Exactly! Even if EG would win they would still not be the "real" winners. I seriously doubt that anyone who has ever played any game competitively defends the "no WB advantage". Anyone who has been in the same situation knows how unfair it is not getting the second life that the other teams had for some odd reason people are fine with group stages being a seperate part of a tournament but never with the final being a seperate part of the tournament. its 2-2 in maps between cdec and eg, it can not be more even and every form of advantage now would just be unfair! ha here you got it, its unfair because if there would be an advantage a team could win while being behind in maps. how are you the better team when you have lost most of your games? the mental gymnastics some people do is really astonishing. Issue is that if EG vs CDEC weren't in the same group then this mental juggling would have never happened so the winner advantage should have been in place regardless. Both CDEC and EG were in the top 4 of their group thats the only thing that matters
Top 4 in their groups is how TI5 has the rules written and that's all that's matters.
No winner's bracket advantage is because TI5 is stupid and the rules suck.
Nice logic.
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On August 09 2015 05:59 babysimba wrote:
Do you pronounce DOTA as D-O-T-A or just DOTA
Do-dah
Or if you're Tobi: DOTER
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On August 09 2015 06:02 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:00 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 05:54 Sabu113 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:46 Shergal wrote:
WEC actually had double elimination grand finals, with two sets of BO3 played and the winner bracket team having to only win one (or was it two sets of BO5? Doesn't matter either way).
Double elimination tournaments are inherently shitty though. I never understood gaming's fetish for them. Double elimination exists because there is no consistency in team seeding and prize pool. If DotA had a proper team ranking system and a prize pool spread across every tournament in the year, the single elim would be fine. It's a fucking horrible idea when seeding is entirely dependent on luck and tournaments can eclipse the total sum of everything else in a year. Take this tournament for example. Top 6 teams, 5 were in Group B. I'm sorry gimping the grand finals is stupid. You get 2 lives to rule out luck in surviving the bracket. If you want 3 mil. Earn it. Plenty of SC tournaments were shit with the 1 game advantage. It's a huge up in terms of strategic flexibility. All the tournament is is qualification for that one match. Don't throw a fit just because EG might win lol You realise you are gimping the grand finals by not having a winners advantage right? If EG win its not a real victory and it kills any real sense of victory. If EG were to have to come from 1 game behind or win 2 Bo5 series then that would be hype as fuck and it would mean they truely are the TI champions. If they win now its like "well EG won buuuuuuuuut..." Basically if EG wins it'll just be anticlimactic Exactly! Even if EG would win they would still not be the "real" winners. I seriously doubt that anyone who has ever played any game competitively defends the "no WB advantage". Anyone who has been in the same situation knows how unfair it is not getting the second life that the other teams had EG and CDEC are tied 2-2 in wins. Who deserves the advantage? Are you trolling or just stupid? Do you really want to bring group stage results into the brackets? yes, because if those group stage results didn't occur CDEC wouldn't have known that techies will stomp them and EG would have 2-0'd in the bracket instead.
Not remotely true, ppd had to show his hand vs ehome, both teams already knew about techies.
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On August 09 2015 06:04 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:03 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 06:03 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:01 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:51 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:48 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:48 Azarkon wrote:
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Sure, sure, but you fail to see the big idea, which is West > China this year. Doesn't matter how much I go from team to team; that's the idea I'm going for. I mean, you are actually grasping for straws. EG will likely win, but West as a whole lost in grander picture, especially compared to Ti3. There were only two Western teams above top Chinese teams in 2013. Did that stop people from saying West > China? Exactly, 2, plus one NADota team knocked out another Chinese one (it was Bo1 but still), plus Dignitas did knock out Rattlesnake in first loser's round, huh. That's much better of West vs China record than this TI, huh. Actually, fuck it, i am bored during the break: West vs China at TI3: 5-2 in favor of West West vs China at TI5: 3-7 in favor of China. The difference of one team's results and you're not even looking the group games. Who the fuck cares. The difference of which team's results? Also, obviously i am not giving a fuck about group games because remember where top 2 of group A finished? Natus Vincere in 2013. Had they not made it, it'd have been one Western team against three Chinese/Eastern teams, same as 2015. There is big difference between Chinese and Eastern team, bro. Which is fine but for the fact you're not even looking at MVP. Yes, i absolutely ignored SEA vs China in my stats, because that's out of point. Also, where is your MVP top 3 or something?
The lack of another country in the last two years that is able to win the best of the West and China does not = we ignore the fact that there were only two Western teams in the last few of 2013.
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On August 09 2015 06:03 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:02 hfglgg wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 05:54 Sabu113 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:46 Shergal wrote:
WEC actually had double elimination grand finals, with two sets of BO3 played and the winner bracket team having to only win one (or was it two sets of BO5? Doesn't matter either way).
Double elimination tournaments are inherently shitty though. I never understood gaming's fetish for them. Double elimination exists because there is no consistency in team seeding and prize pool. If DotA had a proper team ranking system and a prize pool spread across every tournament in the year, the single elim would be fine. It's a fucking horrible idea when seeding is entirely dependent on luck and tournaments can eclipse the total sum of everything else in a year. Take this tournament for example. Top 6 teams, 5 were in Group B. I'm sorry gimping the grand finals is stupid. You get 2 lives to rule out luck in surviving the bracket. If you want 3 mil. Earn it. Plenty of SC tournaments were shit with the 1 game advantage. It's a huge up in terms of strategic flexibility. All the tournament is is qualification for that one match. Don't throw a fit just because EG might win lol You realise you are gimping the grand finals by not having a winners advantage right? If EG win its not a real victory and it kills any real sense of victory. If EG were to have to come from 1 game behind or win 2 Bo5 series then that would be hype as fuck and it would mean they truely are the TI champions. If they win now its like "well EG won buuuuuuuuut..." Basically if EG wins it'll just be anticlimactic Exactly! Even if EG would win they would still not be the "real" winners. I seriously doubt that anyone who has ever played any game competitively defends the "no WB advantage". Anyone who has been in the same situation knows how unfair it is not getting the second life that the other teams had for some odd reason people are fine with group stages being a seperate part of a tournament but never with the final being a seperate part of the tournament. its 2-2 in maps between cdec and eg, it can not be more even and every form of advantage now would just be unfair! ha here you got it, its unfair because if there would be an advantage a team could win while being behind in maps. how are you the better team when you have lost most of your games? the mental gymnastics some people do is really astonishing. Issue is that if EG vs CDEC weren't in the same group then this mental juggling would have never happened so the winner advantage should have been in place regardless. Both CDEC and EG were in the top 4 of their group thats the only thing that matters
and if they never met in the double elimination system we could come to some weird A > B > C > A thingy.
and i still need an explanation why the group stages are seperated from the later stages but the final is not. i mean, i think we all agree that the finals are the most important part of the event.
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On August 09 2015 06:05 Elurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:02 lolnoty wrote:On August 09 2015 06:00 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 05:54 Sabu113 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:46 Shergal wrote:
WEC actually had double elimination grand finals, with two sets of BO3 played and the winner bracket team having to only win one (or was it two sets of BO5? Doesn't matter either way).
Double elimination tournaments are inherently shitty though. I never understood gaming's fetish for them. Double elimination exists because there is no consistency in team seeding and prize pool. If DotA had a proper team ranking system and a prize pool spread across every tournament in the year, the single elim would be fine. It's a fucking horrible idea when seeding is entirely dependent on luck and tournaments can eclipse the total sum of everything else in a year. Take this tournament for example. Top 6 teams, 5 were in Group B. I'm sorry gimping the grand finals is stupid. You get 2 lives to rule out luck in surviving the bracket. If you want 3 mil. Earn it. Plenty of SC tournaments were shit with the 1 game advantage. It's a huge up in terms of strategic flexibility. All the tournament is is qualification for that one match. Don't throw a fit just because EG might win lol You realise you are gimping the grand finals by not having a winners advantage right? If EG win its not a real victory and it kills any real sense of victory. If EG were to have to come from 1 game behind or win 2 Bo5 series then that would be hype as fuck and it would mean they truely are the TI champions. If they win now its like "well EG won buuuuuuuuut..." Basically if EG wins it'll just be anticlimactic Exactly! Even if EG would win they would still not be the "real" winners. I seriously doubt that anyone who has ever played any game competitively defends the "no WB advantage". Anyone who has been in the same situation knows how unfair it is not getting the second life that the other teams had EG and CDEC are tied 2-2 in wins. Who deserves the advantage? Are you trolling or just stupid? Do you really want to bring group stage results into the brackets? yes, because if those group stage results didn't occur CDEC wouldn't have known that techies will stomp them and EG would have 2-0'd in the bracket instead. Oh silly rabbit. Do you think they are blind? They watched EG smothered Ehome the day before with Techies.
CDEC is young and would have chalked it up to EHOME being worse ez
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
only for tonight i put this awesome flair on !
eg and cdec , please give us a cure from last TI final
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On August 09 2015 06:04 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:04 Clegane wrote:On August 09 2015 06:03 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:02 Clegane wrote:
Hmm. Probably "who tilts first" finals. Well, every TI finals were about who tilts first, were not they? TI3 and TI1 did not really seem this way. TI3 was definitely a challenge of who tilted harder, TI1 was barely a TI tbh.
Ok. You are right.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 09 2015 06:06 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:04 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:03 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 06:03 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:01 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:51 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
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I mean, you are actually grasping for straws. EG will likely win, but West as a whole lost in grander picture, especially compared to Ti3. There were only two Western teams above top Chinese teams in 2013. Did that stop people from saying West > China? Exactly, 2, plus one NADota team knocked out another Chinese one (it was Bo1 but still), plus Dignitas did knock out Rattlesnake in first loser's round, huh. That's much better of West vs China record than this TI, huh. Actually, fuck it, i am bored during the break: West vs China at TI3: 5-2 in favor of West West vs China at TI5: 3-7 in favor of China. The difference of one team's results and you're not even looking the group games. Who the fuck cares. The difference of which team's results? Also, obviously i am not giving a fuck about group games because remember where top 2 of group A finished? Natus Vincere in 2013. Had they not made it, it'd have been one Western team against three Chinese/Eastern teams, same as 2015. There is big difference between Chinese and Eastern team, bro. Which is fine but for the fact you're not even looking at MVP. Yes, i absolutely ignored SEA vs China in my stats, because that's out of point. Also, where is your MVP top 3 or something? The lack of another Eastern country in the last two years that is able to win the best of the West and China does not = we ignore the fact that there were only two Western teams in the last five teams of 2013, too.
So, you have the guts to claim that West>East despite it being top West teams ~ China > rest of West? Heh.
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On August 09 2015 06:03 icystorage wrote:
what i want to argue is that if aegis is pronounced
E-jizz or A-jizz
Eee-jiss in proper English Greek. Do you also want Ancient and Modern Greek?
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lmfao is Deadmau5 seriously going to perform?
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United States47024 Posts
I don't even know wtf you guys are all arguing about anymore.
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On August 09 2015 06:06 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:03 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 06:02 hfglgg wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 05:54 Sabu113 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:46 Shergal wrote:
WEC actually had double elimination grand finals, with two sets of BO3 played and the winner bracket team having to only win one (or was it two sets of BO5? Doesn't matter either way).
Double elimination tournaments are inherently shitty though. I never understood gaming's fetish for them. Double elimination exists because there is no consistency in team seeding and prize pool. If DotA had a proper team ranking system and a prize pool spread across every tournament in the year, the single elim would be fine. It's a fucking horrible idea when seeding is entirely dependent on luck and tournaments can eclipse the total sum of everything else in a year. Take this tournament for example. Top 6 teams, 5 were in Group B. I'm sorry gimping the grand finals is stupid. You get 2 lives to rule out luck in surviving the bracket. If you want 3 mil. Earn it. Plenty of SC tournaments were shit with the 1 game advantage. It's a huge up in terms of strategic flexibility. All the tournament is is qualification for that one match. Don't throw a fit just because EG might win lol You realise you are gimping the grand finals by not having a winners advantage right? If EG win its not a real victory and it kills any real sense of victory. If EG were to have to come from 1 game behind or win 2 Bo5 series then that would be hype as fuck and it would mean they truely are the TI champions. If they win now its like "well EG won buuuuuuuuut..." Basically if EG wins it'll just be anticlimactic Exactly! Even if EG would win they would still not be the "real" winners. I seriously doubt that anyone who has ever played any game competitively defends the "no WB advantage". Anyone who has been in the same situation knows how unfair it is not getting the second life that the other teams had for some odd reason people are fine with group stages being a seperate part of a tournament but never with the final being a seperate part of the tournament. its 2-2 in maps between cdec and eg, it can not be more even and every form of advantage now would just be unfair! ha here you got it, its unfair because if there would be an advantage a team could win while being behind in maps. how are you the better team when you have lost most of your games? the mental gymnastics some people do is really astonishing. Issue is that if EG vs CDEC weren't in the same group then this mental juggling would have never happened so the winner advantage should have been in place regardless. Both CDEC and EG were in the top 4 of their group thats the only thing that matters Top 4 in their groups is how TI5 has the rules written and that's all that's matters. No winner's bracket advantage is because TI5 is stupid and the rules suck. Nice logic.
In the group stages it was about placing in top 4 to get your placement. It was a qualifier. Generally qualifiers don't effect main events outside of placements and thus a double elimination should be fair and be set up properly even if it means 5 more hours of Dota.
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On August 09 2015 06:07 TheYango wrote:
I don't even know wtf you guys are all arguing about anymore.
This thread is a salt factory
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On August 09 2015 06:07 TheYango wrote:
I don't even know wtf you guys are all arguing about anymore.
We're filling time.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 09 2015 06:07 TheYango wrote:
I don't even know wtf you guys are all arguing about anymore.
We're just killing time before CDEC choking.
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