EPTOn August 11 2015 06:43 Tien wrote:
PLD had a moment when he was one of the best in the world, which was 2 year ago when they won MLG, then he fell off a cliff since then when he gave us a support tinker. He's been bad for a while.
Bone7 is a professional level player obviously, but holy hell he had a comic drawn about how horribly bad he was during DAC. Sucked on void, axe, tide hunter, brood when those offlane heroes were part of the meta.
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On August 11 2015 06:27 Acritter wrote:
If you are calling PLD and Bone7 bad, you clearly have never seen the three I mentioned playing.
On August 11 2015 06:20 Tien wrote:
You made my point.
Those teams accomplished nothing regardless of how good Fear was.
C9 did very well relatively despite how horrid pieliedie would play and how useless bone7 was in many tournaments.
On August 11 2015 06:05 Acritter wrote:
This is actually hilariously wrong. Back in the era of Demon/Jeyo/Bamboe EG, Fear was easily the best player on the team. He played carry some games, and even managed to carry so hard that they won despite Jimmy's best efforts to throw.
Please go watch some of his old, pre-TI3 games with Alch before you say anything like that again. Fact of the matter is, even when Fear played absolutely out of his mind, he couldn't carry the weight of those three players. I'd like to see anyone, let it be RTZ or Aggressif or whoever else, manage to succeed under those circumstances.
On August 11 2015 03:15 Tien wrote:
Where was this amazing carry player when EG didn't have the best drafter (ppd) and the best midlaner (sumail) and the best offlaner (universe)? That EG team didn't do anything.
Fear is good, but there are a lot of carries that can do what he does, we can't say the same about ppd and suma1l.
On August 11 2015 01:46 bluzi wrote:
No doubt you are wrong Fear wouldve helped C9 to be placed higher , but as your claim is fantasy gaming i cant refute it , i will say that WATCHING EE play i can tell he makes x10 more mistakes , he doesnt lead the team and he looks much worse of a player , to your logic , i can replace EE with lets say Ildan and it will be the same result ? do you think EE is a better carry then Ilidan ?
the top pro players have similar skill set what sets them apart are the little things , and in that EE is tier 2 , if it wasnt clear I dont rate him as Tier 1 carry at all nor should anyone who follow the pro scene for more then a day and not catching the hype trains that come and go.
On August 11 2015 01:33 Tien wrote:
Fear is great no doubt, but the arguments being made against EE as a replacement is weak.
If you switched Fear with EE, C9 would not place higher than they did, and EG with EE would still place very high.
On August 10 2015 17:38 bluzi wrote:
So what ? you listed the most popular heroes in ANY carry arsenal , who doesn't play Gyro/PL/AM? they are the most popular carry heroes of the last couple of years (AM is been there forever) , EE is not close to fear level , he takes bad fights , he farms where he shouldn't , he gets picked off too many times , he doesn't join fights when he needs too (see Fear coming mid several times vs CDEC to win them the game) , Fear had the lowest death count in TI , he got amazing map awareness and plays great in an even and from ahead and rarely makes mistakes , not to mention he brings leadership to the team and not a cancer attitude like EE , the great players bring that to a team , EE is not even close to that level , sorry.
Fear >>>> EE as a Pro DOTA player.
On August 10 2015 08:08 Tien wrote:
I know a lot of EG fans hate EE but they play very similar heroes.
Gyro, AM, PL, Clinx are all heroes EE is very good at. Hero pool is about the same.
On August 10 2015 00:43 FairForever wrote:
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If Fear retires that is a pretty big loss - there's no one else who could easily replace him with as much hero flexibility as Fear has.
Honestly if they keep the other four though they should be contenders at next TI though. Having the best mid in the world (and one of the best offlaners) makes them extremely tough to play against.
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If Fear retires that is a pretty big loss - there's no one else who could easily replace him with as much hero flexibility as Fear has.
Honestly if they keep the other four though they should be contenders at next TI though. Having the best mid in the world (and one of the best offlaners) makes them extremely tough to play against.
I know a lot of EG fans hate EE but they play very similar heroes.
Gyro, AM, PL, Clinx are all heroes EE is very good at. Hero pool is about the same.
So what ? you listed the most popular heroes in ANY carry arsenal , who doesn't play Gyro/PL/AM? they are the most popular carry heroes of the last couple of years (AM is been there forever) , EE is not close to fear level , he takes bad fights , he farms where he shouldn't , he gets picked off too many times , he doesn't join fights when he needs too (see Fear coming mid several times vs CDEC to win them the game) , Fear had the lowest death count in TI , he got amazing map awareness and plays great in an even and from ahead and rarely makes mistakes , not to mention he brings leadership to the team and not a cancer attitude like EE , the great players bring that to a team , EE is not even close to that level , sorry.
Fear >>>> EE as a Pro DOTA player.
Fear is great no doubt, but the arguments being made against EE as a replacement is weak.
If you switched Fear with EE, C9 would not place higher than they did, and EG with EE would still place very high.
No doubt you are wrong Fear wouldve helped C9 to be placed higher , but as your claim is fantasy gaming i cant refute it , i will say that WATCHING EE play i can tell he makes x10 more mistakes , he doesnt lead the team and he looks much worse of a player , to your logic , i can replace EE with lets say Ildan and it will be the same result ? do you think EE is a better carry then Ilidan ?
the top pro players have similar skill set what sets them apart are the little things , and in that EE is tier 2 , if it wasnt clear I dont rate him as Tier 1 carry at all nor should anyone who follow the pro scene for more then a day and not catching the hype trains that come and go.
Where was this amazing carry player when EG didn't have the best drafter (ppd) and the best midlaner (sumail) and the best offlaner (universe)? That EG team didn't do anything.
Fear is good, but there are a lot of carries that can do what he does, we can't say the same about ppd and suma1l.
This is actually hilariously wrong. Back in the era of Demon/Jeyo/Bamboe EG, Fear was easily the best player on the team. He played carry some games, and even managed to carry so hard that they won despite Jimmy's best efforts to throw.
Please go watch some of his old, pre-TI3 games with Alch before you say anything like that again. Fact of the matter is, even when Fear played absolutely out of his mind, he couldn't carry the weight of those three players. I'd like to see anyone, let it be RTZ or Aggressif or whoever else, manage to succeed under those circumstances.
You made my point.
Those teams accomplished nothing regardless of how good Fear was.
C9 did very well relatively despite how horrid pieliedie would play and how useless bone7 was in many tournaments.
If you are calling PLD and Bone7 bad, you clearly have never seen the three I mentioned playing.
PLD had a moment when he was one of the best in the world, which was 2 year ago when they won MLG, then he fell off a cliff since then when he gave us a support tinker. He's been bad for a while.
Bone7 is a professional level player obviously, but holy hell he had a comic drawn about how horribly bad he was during DAC. Sucked on void, axe, tide hunter, brood when those offlane heroes were part of the meta.
EE's had some comics drawn about him being terrible too, not sure I'd bring that in as evidence in this convo.
