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A few USA chants are fine but please don't do it too much.
Stop the stupid USA arguments, thanks.
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people arguing about no winner advantage in grand finals every year ...
it has always been like that and if you want to win TI, you need to win without any help 
#Alliance
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On August 09 2015 06:00 pellejohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 05:59 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 05:54 Sabu113 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:46 Shergal wrote:
WEC actually had double elimination grand finals, with two sets of BO3 played and the winner bracket team having to only win one (or was it two sets of BO5? Doesn't matter either way).
Double elimination tournaments are inherently shitty though. I never understood gaming's fetish for them. Double elimination exists because there is no consistency in team seeding and prize pool. If DotA had a proper team ranking system and a prize pool spread across every tournament in the year, the single elim would be fine. It's a fucking horrible idea when seeding is entirely dependent on luck and tournaments can eclipse the total sum of everything else in a year. Take this tournament for example. Top 6 teams, 5 were in Group B. I'm sorry gimping the grand finals is stupid. You get 2 lives to rule out luck in surviving the bracket. If you want 3 mil. Earn it. Plenty of SC tournaments were shit with the 1 game advantage. It's a huge up in terms of strategic flexibility. All the tournament is is qualification for that one match. Don't throw a fit just because EG might win lol You realise you are gimping the grand finals by not having a winners advantage right? If EG win its not a real victory and it kills any real sense of victory. If EG were to have to come from 1 game behind or win 2 Bo5 series then that would be hype as fuck and it would mean they truely are the TI champions. If they win now its like "well EG won buuuuuuuuut..." Basically if EG wins it'll just be anticlimactic Exactly! Even if EG would win they would still not be the "real" winners. I seriously doubt that anyone who has ever played any game competitively defends the "no WB advantage". Anyone who has been in the same situation knows how unfair it is not getting the second life that the other teams had EG and CDEC are tied 2-2 in wins. Who deserves the advantage? Are you trolling or just stupid? Do you really want to bring group stage results into the brackets?
yes, because if those group stage results didn't occur CDEC wouldn't have known that techies will stomp them and EG would have 2-0'd in the bracket instead.
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Hmm. Probably "who tilts first" finals.
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On August 09 2015 06:01 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 05:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:51 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:48 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:48 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On August 09 2015 05:42 IntoTheheart wrote:
Azarkon already said that "PPD won't lose to CDEC again." he also said they wouldnt lose ever. Also said Secret was unstoppable, Empire was third best in the world, C9 would shut out Chinese teams from the top 3, MVP would make Loser's Finals, VP would crush LGD... Azarkon says a lot of things. We seriously need a log blog of all his flipflopping. Sure, sure, but you fail to see the big idea, which is West > China this year. Doesn't matter how much I go from team to team; that's the idea I'm going for. I mean, you are actually grasping for straws. EG will likely win, but West as a whole lost in grander picture, especially compared to Ti3. There were only two Western teams above top Chinese teams in 2013. Did that stop people from saying West > China? Exactly, 2, plus one NADota team knocked out another Chinese one (it was Bo1 but still), plus Dignitas did knock out Rattlesnake in first loser's round, huh. That's much better of West vs China record than this TI, huh. Actually, fuck it, i am bored during the break: West vs China at TI3: 5-2 in favor of West West vs China at TI5: 3-7 in favor of China. The difference of one team's results and you're not even looking the group games. Who the fuck cares. The difference of which team's results? Also, obviously i am not giving a fuck about group games because remember where top 2 of group A finished? Natus Vincere in 2013. Had they not made it, it'd have been one Western team against three Chinese/Eastern teams, same as 2015.
There is big difference between Chinese and Eastern team, bro.
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what i want to argue is that if aegis is pronounced
E-jizz or A-jizz
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On August 09 2015 06:02 Clegane wrote:
Hmm. Probably "who tilts first" finals.
Well, every TI finals were about who tilts first, were not they?
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Also, I root for EG but I picked CDEC flair. I win either way.
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On August 09 2015 06:03 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:01 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:51 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:48 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:48 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:
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he also said they wouldnt lose ever. Also said Secret was unstoppable, Empire was third best in the world, C9 would shut out Chinese teams from the top 3, MVP would make Loser's Finals, VP would crush LGD... Azarkon says a lot of things. We seriously need a log blog of all his flipflopping. Sure, sure, but you fail to see the big idea, which is West > China this year. Doesn't matter how much I go from team to team; that's the idea I'm going for. I mean, you are actually grasping for straws. EG will likely win, but West as a whole lost in grander picture, especially compared to Ti3. There were only two Western teams above top Chinese teams in 2013. Did that stop people from saying West > China? Exactly, 2, plus one NADota team knocked out another Chinese one (it was Bo1 but still), plus Dignitas did knock out Rattlesnake in first loser's round, huh. That's much better of West vs China record than this TI, huh. Actually, fuck it, i am bored during the break: West vs China at TI3: 5-2 in favor of West West vs China at TI5: 3-7 in favor of China. The difference of one team's results and you're not even looking the group games. Who the fuck cares. The difference of which team's results? Also, obviously i am not giving a fuck about group games because remember where top 2 of group A finished? Natus Vincere in 2013. Had they not made it, it'd have been one Western team against three Chinese/Eastern teams, same as 2015. There is big difference between Chinese and Eastern team, bro.
Which is fine but for the fact you're not even looking at MVP finishing above two Chinese teams this year.
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On August 09 2015 06:02 amiGo_O wrote:people arguing about no winner advantage in grand finals every year ... it has always been like that and if you want to win TI, you need to win without any help #Alliance
Then why have a double bracket at all then? I mean the winners should win without the help of a second life right? You just said it yourself
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On August 09 2015 06:02 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 05:59 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 05:54 Sabu113 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:46 Shergal wrote:
WEC actually had double elimination grand finals, with two sets of BO3 played and the winner bracket team having to only win one (or was it two sets of BO5? Doesn't matter either way).
Double elimination tournaments are inherently shitty though. I never understood gaming's fetish for them. Double elimination exists because there is no consistency in team seeding and prize pool. If DotA had a proper team ranking system and a prize pool spread across every tournament in the year, the single elim would be fine. It's a fucking horrible idea when seeding is entirely dependent on luck and tournaments can eclipse the total sum of everything else in a year. Take this tournament for example. Top 6 teams, 5 were in Group B. I'm sorry gimping the grand finals is stupid. You get 2 lives to rule out luck in surviving the bracket. If you want 3 mil. Earn it. Plenty of SC tournaments were shit with the 1 game advantage. It's a huge up in terms of strategic flexibility. All the tournament is is qualification for that one match. Don't throw a fit just because EG might win lol You realise you are gimping the grand finals by not having a winners advantage right? If EG win its not a real victory and it kills any real sense of victory. If EG were to have to come from 1 game behind or win 2 Bo5 series then that would be hype as fuck and it would mean they truely are the TI champions. If they win now its like "well EG won buuuuuuuuut..." Basically if EG wins it'll just be anticlimactic Exactly! Even if EG would win they would still not be the "real" winners. I seriously doubt that anyone who has ever played any game competitively defends the "no WB advantage". Anyone who has been in the same situation knows how unfair it is not getting the second life that the other teams had for some odd reason people are fine with group stages being a seperate part of a tournament but never with the final being a seperate part of the tournament. its 2-2 in maps between cdec and eg, it can not be more even and every form of advantage now would just be unfair! ha here you got it, its unfair because if there would be an advantage a team could win while being behind in maps. how are you the better team when you have lost most of your games? the mental gymnastics some people do is really astonishing.
Issue is that if EG vs CDEC weren't in the same group then this mental juggling would have never happened so the winner advantage should have been in place regardless. Both CDEC and EG were in the top 4 of their group thats the only thing that matters
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On August 09 2015 06:03 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:02 Clegane wrote:
Hmm. Probably "who tilts first" finals. Well, every TI finals were about who tilts first, were not they?
TI3 and TI1 did not really seem this way.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 09 2015 06:03 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:03 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:01 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:51 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:48 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:48 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 05:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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Also said Secret was unstoppable, Empire was third best in the world, C9 would shut out Chinese teams from the top 3, MVP would make Loser's Finals, VP would crush LGD...
Azarkon says a lot of things. We seriously need a log blog of all his flipflopping. Sure, sure, but you fail to see the big idea, which is West > China this year. Doesn't matter how much I go from team to team; that's the idea I'm going for. I mean, you are actually grasping for straws. EG will likely win, but West as a whole lost in grander picture, especially compared to Ti3. There were only two Western teams above top Chinese teams in 2013. Did that stop people from saying West > China? Exactly, 2, plus one NADota team knocked out another Chinese one (it was Bo1 but still), plus Dignitas did knock out Rattlesnake in first loser's round, huh. That's much better of West vs China record than this TI, huh. Actually, fuck it, i am bored during the break: West vs China at TI3: 5-2 in favor of West West vs China at TI5: 3-7 in favor of China. The difference of one team's results and you're not even looking the group games. Who the fuck cares. The difference of which team's results? Also, obviously i am not giving a fuck about group games because remember where top 2 of group A finished? Natus Vincere in 2013. Had they not made it, it'd have been one Western team against three Chinese/Eastern teams, same as 2015. There is big difference between Chinese and Eastern team, bro. Which is fine but for the fact you're not even looking at MVP.
Yes, i absolutely ignored SEA vs China in my stats, because that's out of point. Also, where is your MVP top 3 or something?
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On August 09 2015 06:02 amiGo_O wrote:people arguing about no winner advantage in grand finals every year ... it has always been like that and if you want to win TI, you need to win without any help #Alliance
For some reason I always respect the people with HR, [A] and other non-TI flairs in this thread. I don't quite know why, maybe I feel like it shows character ?
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TI2 is the only time the WB finalist lost in the Grand Finals, and in that case, it was 3-1 anyway. For all the hubbub people make about no WB advantage, it hasn't really made a difference.
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On August 09 2015 06:02 amiGo_O wrote:people arguing about no winner advantage in grand finals every year ... it has always been like that and if you want to win TI, you need to win without any help #Alliance
EG had help though. So if EG win they aren't real TI champions?
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On August 09 2015 06:04 Clegane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:03 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:02 Clegane wrote:
Hmm. Probably "who tilts first" finals. Well, every TI finals were about who tilts first, were not they? TI3 and TI1 did not really seem this way.
TI3 was definitely a challenge of who tilted harder, TI1 was barely a TI tbh.
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On August 09 2015 06:02 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:00 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 05:54 Sabu113 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:46 Shergal wrote:
WEC actually had double elimination grand finals, with two sets of BO3 played and the winner bracket team having to only win one (or was it two sets of BO5? Doesn't matter either way).
Double elimination tournaments are inherently shitty though. I never understood gaming's fetish for them. Double elimination exists because there is no consistency in team seeding and prize pool. If DotA had a proper team ranking system and a prize pool spread across every tournament in the year, the single elim would be fine. It's a fucking horrible idea when seeding is entirely dependent on luck and tournaments can eclipse the total sum of everything else in a year. Take this tournament for example. Top 6 teams, 5 were in Group B. I'm sorry gimping the grand finals is stupid. You get 2 lives to rule out luck in surviving the bracket. If you want 3 mil. Earn it. Plenty of SC tournaments were shit with the 1 game advantage. It's a huge up in terms of strategic flexibility. All the tournament is is qualification for that one match. Don't throw a fit just because EG might win lol You realise you are gimping the grand finals by not having a winners advantage right? If EG win its not a real victory and it kills any real sense of victory. If EG were to have to come from 1 game behind or win 2 Bo5 series then that would be hype as fuck and it would mean they truely are the TI champions. If they win now its like "well EG won buuuuuuuuut..." Basically if EG wins it'll just be anticlimactic Exactly! Even if EG would win they would still not be the "real" winners. I seriously doubt that anyone who has ever played any game competitively defends the "no WB advantage". Anyone who has been in the same situation knows how unfair it is not getting the second life that the other teams had EG and CDEC are tied 2-2 in wins. Who deserves the advantage? Are you trolling or just stupid? Do you really want to bring group stage results into the brackets? yes, because if those group stage results didn't occur CDEC wouldn't have known that techies will stomp them and EG would have 2-0'd in the bracket instead.
Oh silly rabbit. Do you think they are blind? They watched EG smothered Ehome the day before with Techies.
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On August 09 2015 06:04 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:02 amiGo_O wrote:people arguing about no winner advantage in grand finals every year ... it has always been like that and if you want to win TI, you need to win without any help #Alliance EG had help though. So if EG win they aren't real TI champions?
No they are not. If EG wins they are second because I do not like the format
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On August 09 2015 05:59 babysimba wrote:
Do you pronounce DOTA as D-O-T-A or just DOTA
Blizzard owns D-O-T-A, so it's Dota.
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