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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:52 goody153 wrote: the case with rtz vs ee has always been in favor rtz seriously Secret reads c9 like a book .. at least against EG they are even~ish You see, yes Secret can read "EE" like a book given the amount of blogging he's been doing but can they read the mind of Bone7? I figured out C9's plan! | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:46 WolfintheSheep wrote: Most predictions weren't that bad. Most of them got the top 6, maybe off by one. VG in second was a surprise, but Newbee winning wasn't outlandish until their group stage performance. Probably the most hyped team of the over-all year got 4th. A rapidly surging favorite (who this very site put at #1 in a power ranking) was eliminated in the first round of playoffs. One of the favorite western teams didn't make it out of group stages. A team people practically forgot even existed dominated groups stage and took 2nd place. A totally doubted American team that squeaked through the wildcard got out of a group stage that killed aforementioned western favorite and the previous year's champ. The Chinese qualifier performed better than this site's favorite. Events really didn't align with popular discussion. Newbee being champ was actually one of the most conventional things that happened (their being one game away from group stage elimination was thoroughly in the unexpected category). | ||
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goody153
44192 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:54 WolfintheSheep wrote: Are they actually? I can only think of one match they've actually won against EG (Summit 2). there's the online game24 mini tourney where they 3-1'd EG .. also series wise they won plenty against EG not just the important ones yeah while EG won the elimination matches .. if you look at their overall score it's almost even like 1-2 point difference at this similar to how alliance vs navi was during pre-TI4 | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:57 Kamisamanachi wrote: will VG become last year's DK? i mean,i myself don't want to compare both teams as they both are wayy apart..DK's consistency in results was better than VG's..Even if DK lost some tournaments ,they always came 2nd or 3rd in them..but got 1st in most of them..and in the end ,they lost to the every changing TI meta..will VG go the same way with their performance in 2015 since DAC? i actually think VG has been more consistent than DK | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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Ingvar
Russian Federation421 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:58 FuzzyJAM wrote: Can't wait for C9 to beat Secret. I guess you'll have to wait quite a bit. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
But you have to work for it. We saw in the VG vs. Secret series at BTS that throwing Secret off their game one time and then playing the same strategy again isn't enough. You have to do it twice. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:58 FuzzyJAM wrote: Can't wait for C9 to beat Secret. Not going to happen if Universe is to exist. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:00 Azarkon wrote: C9, especially back when they had Aui, but even now, is the mad genius of Western Dota. They have the highest amount of next level strategies that eventually become the meta for other teams. Of course they also have the highest amount of failed strategies that result in them losing horribly. Against Secret, C9's best shot is to throw them off with a next level strategy. Secret under S4 is very solid at maximizing the flexibility of a handful of strategies. But the team does have weaknesses. For example Zai doesn't play a lot of the heroes that S4 gives him at a world class level, and S4 himself isn't very versatile in terms of carry picks. Were you to throw Secret off with a pick they didn't think was meta, then an upset is doable via gaining a draft advantage through it. But you have to work for it. We saw in the VG vs. Secret series at BTS that throwing Secret off their game one time and then playing the same strategy again isn't enough. You have to do it twice. In VG vs Secret series s4 just first banned Bounty Hunter (The key hero) twice in a row after first game, so your example is not really great. | ||
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goody153
44192 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:00 Kamisamanachi wrote: and on top of that..will there be an LGD story like last year in this TI? LGD was absolutely thrashed by many people during last TI and they somehow pulled miraculous run and placed higher than everyone's expectations..will there be any story like that in this TI? and will least hyped chinese team will reach deep into event just like VG did last year? they weren't absolutely trashed i think they one a b05 against DK or something pre-TI .. also during the group stages they did well (not to mention they dropped TeamLiquid rip) | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:00 lolfail9001 wrote: Not going to happen if Universe is to exist. Can absolutely happen, Secret isn't some magic next level team and FATA is really fucking good | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:58 opterown wrote: i actually think VG has been more consistent than DK i don't even think so..the only notable winnings VG have during 2015 is nothing...while DK were winning tournaments or even placing 2nd or 3rd during 2014 till TI..VG only dominated the period after TI4 till December and that was it,meanwhile DK struggled in new patch until few days ,this VG seems to be struggling in every department even after more than 1 month after patch.. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:03 clusen wrote: Can absolutely happen, Secret isn't some magic next level team and FATA is really fucking good Universe will explode with C9 vs Empire finals because it would mean either Empire winning against C9 or C9 winning a tournament. Impossible to happen | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:01 lolfail9001 wrote: In VG vs Secret series s4 just first banned Bounty Hunter (The key hero) twice in a row after first game, so your example is not really great. Yeah, and Secret saw that this was the center of the strategy after one game. That's what I'm trying to say. You don't get to win with the same strategy twice vs. Secret. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
But I'm fucking hyped for this series, lets go | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:04 lolfail9001 wrote: Universe will explode with C9 vs Empire finals because it would mean either Empire winning against C9 or C9 winning a tournament. Impossible to happen ~thats actually the best arguement for c9 loosing this series atm rofl | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:05 Azarkon wrote: Yeah, and Secret saw that this was the center of the strategy after one game. That's what I'm trying to say. You don't get to win with the same strategy twice vs. Secret. I mean, i am surprised Secret did not first ban BH in game 1 because according to v1lat/NS, Puppey actually noticed that they would auto-lose if VG picks BH when they were discussing what they were going to do | ||
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