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opterown
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opterown
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Poll: Head? Vici Gaming (18) Team Empire (11) 29 total votes Your vote: Head? Poll: Heart? Team Empire (18) Vici Gaming (13) 31 total votes Your vote: Heart? Poll: Head? Team Secret (23) Cloud 9 (3) 26 total votes Your vote: Head? | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Yes, I know I'm deluded. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On June 05 2015 23:45 FuzzyJAM wrote: I legit think C9 are going to win this tournament. Yes, I know I'm deluded. Empire beat VG on lan again, C9 make finals cause that's their destiny, C9 always owns Empire, seems legit. I've said it at the beginning of this tourney, I think this is C9's best chance to win a lan in a long time with the format. | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
C9 is going to crush Secret because of bone7 unpredictable draft and EE glory to the 2nd place where he truly belong. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11060 Posts
On June 05 2015 23:45 FuzzyJAM wrote: I legit think C9 are going to win this tournament. Yes, I know I'm deluded. If they winthis they can win TI . Beating secret And VG would be legit | ||
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opterown
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On June 06 2015 13:21 ymir233 wrote: So if Secret win do we get to see Azarkon explode? wouldn't it be empire? | ||
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
I guess I should just revise it to America then | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
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On June 06 2015 13:56 Daralii wrote: I'm surprised that not-Secret's winning the heart poll. It's almost like a rule that the team leading on the head vote isn't allowed to lead on the heart vote. | ||
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Xinder
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
On June 06 2015 14:01 Xinder wrote: So SuperJal = IceIceIce? Yes. It is true | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On June 06 2015 14:01 Xinder wrote: So SuperJal = IceIceIce? yeeee | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 14:01 Xinder wrote: So SuperJal = IceIceIce? his cousin a stand.in (like that one time) jk yeah that should be iceiceice | ||
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goody153
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this sf needs more farm than slardar | ||
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shad2810
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On June 06 2015 14:05 Kamisamanachi wrote: what is more cancer? ice3 brood or hao PL? Hao's PL is a delight. Not a cancer | ||
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Nymzee
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that's disgusting lol | ||
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Kuroeeah
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Evander Berry Wall
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Dysisa
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uriel-
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On June 06 2015 14:10 Nymzee wrote: treads crimson at 12 mins it looked like that's disgusting lol That happens when you take two ancient stacks before the 10 minute mark and then roshan at 12 | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
 Literally. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 06 2015 14:11 Dysisa wrote: "He is a pretty cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything" I don't think I've ever muted casters as fast as I just did. reminds me of lumi | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On June 06 2015 14:11 Dysisa wrote: "He is a pretty cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything" I don't think I've ever muted casters as fast as I just did. You don't like Blaze's vintage memes? | ||
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opterown
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Nymzee
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omg that was an amazing rotation nvm iceiceice is 1v5ing empire lmao | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pretty-cool-guy | ||
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uriel-
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The anti-clutch | ||
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Kuroeeah
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Stancel
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vici we'll be drunk together | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 14:25 trifecta wrote: AA is a ranged creep rofl | ||
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shad2810
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. AA is now just a walking ward at this rate | ||
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uriel-
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Evander Berry Wall
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EDIT: Actually, 4 tower advantage. Even better. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On June 06 2015 14:32 goody153 wrote: this was all on yoky even though the ravage was questionable, i don't think it would have changed the outcome. it feels like an outdraft to me imo | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 14:32 Kuroeeah wrote: even though the ravage was questionable, i don't think it would have changed the outcome. it feels like an outdraft to me imo they certainly could have won this game .. if he didn't ravage he could have brought back and possibly hold the rax earler doesn't look like an outdraft to me .. if they only helped the SF mid and not let BB snowball too much even when BB snowballed hard he was completely killable | ||
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opterown
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On June 06 2015 14:36 Azarkon wrote: What I see from VG is that their positioning is at times very bad. Lots of 3-4 man crushes and ravages allowed Empire to get back a bit during the mid game. However, Empire got caught out too and that lost them the game. ahhh the A-god is here | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On June 06 2015 14:36 goody153 wrote: they certainly could have won this game .. if he didn't ravage he could have brought back and possibly hold the rax earler doesn't look like an outdraft to me .. if they only helped the SF mid and not let BB snowball too much even when BB snowballed hard he was completely killable alwayswannafly live camera feed =  | ||
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beifru
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On June 06 2015 14:36 Azarkon wrote: What I see from VG is that their positioning is at times very bad. Lots of 3-4 man crushes and ravages allowed Empire to get back a bit during the mid game. However, Empire got caught out too and that lost them the game. VG doesn't have great rotations | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
On June 06 2015 14:36 goody153 wrote: they certainly could have won this game .. if he didn't ravage he could have brought back and possibly hold the rax earler doesn't look like an outdraft to me .. if they only helped the SF mid and not let BB snowball too much even when BB snowballed hard he was completely killable If they kept BB from snowballing, Jugg would be snowballing even harder. | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
hey range creeps is still helping to the cause ok ? don't be mean to them | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 14:37 Elurie wrote: If they kept BB from snowballing, Jugg would be snowballing even harder. i don't think so .. jugg wouldn't have farmed faster than that if VG can't win fights | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On June 06 2015 14:38 goody153 wrote: hey range creeps is still helping to the cause ok ? don't be mean to them I bet he'd rather be a spider than his hero. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 06 2015 14:36 goody153 wrote: they certainly could have won this game .. if he didn't ravage he could have brought back and possibly hold the rax earler doesn't look like an outdraft to me .. if they only helped the SF mid and not let BB snowball too much even when BB snowballed hard he was completely killable It may not have been an out draft, but the game was always in VG's favor. The only reason Empire had any gains was because of two instances of big mistakes on VG's part (like Hao and Super seemingly deciding to run or fight at exact opposite times), and even after those Empire only just about tied it. It was a pretty rough game for Empire. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 14:40 Evander Berry Wall wrote: It may not have been an out draft, but the game was always in VG's favor. The only reason Empire had any gains was because of two instances of big mistakes on VG's part (like Hao and Super seemingly deciding to run or fight at exact opposite times), and even after those Empire only just about tied it. It was a pretty rough game for Empire. if only they helped sf and not leave him to his own device like he's rtz | ||
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Elurie
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On June 06 2015 15:02 Kuroeeah wrote: I love tusk. i dont' care if he's op, this hero is so fun to watch. Refresher double punch lol. | ||
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beifru
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But Empire has Tusk, I guess it evens out the stupidness. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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(2 seconds later.) we gave away a couple of more kills bottom. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Are we getting good rotations yet, or does Empire need to rotate more? | ||
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shouldbeworking
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On June 06 2015 15:13 goody153 wrote: looks like it's a 2-0 and the second series won't even be close i think *(cause who are we kidding c9's gonna get super rekt'd) oh well You gotta believEE. I'm channeling my energy for EE sama and Bonechan already. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:15 shouldbeworking wrote: You gotta believEE. I'm channeling my energy for EE sama and Bonechan already. i'm saving to channel it for TI5 dude xD | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
For now. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Bigger problem is they keep taking fights before they're ready. | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
Aw shiet you're right, we gotta start channeling now and save it for TI5. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
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beifru
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opterown
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On June 06 2015 15:18 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Is it me or did Hao just oddly walk into that fight without doing anything? he does that sometimes | ||
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Azarkon
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 15:18 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Is it me or did Hao just oddly walk into that fight without doing anything? Walked into 3 Cog hits, lost all mana. So smart. | ||
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shouldbeworking
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On June 06 2015 15:18 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Is it me or did Hao just oddly walk into that fight without doing anything? That sigil yo! | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:18 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Is it me or did Hao just oddly walk into that fight without doing anything? sounds like a good sign to me that they even need hao to win the fight :D | ||
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Elurie
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On June 06 2015 15:18 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Is it me or did Hao just oddly walk into that fight without doing anything? Hao got Tusk'd the entire fight. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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WolfintheSheep
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On June 06 2015 15:21 Kuroeeah wrote: what is this max sigil build? A proper one. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:21 Kuroeeah wrote: what is this max sigil build? for maximum annoyance since they don't have the VG sigil cosmetic | ||
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shouldbeworking
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On June 06 2015 15:21 Kuroeeah wrote: what is this max sigil build? If you're in a competent team, its the correct one lol. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:21 beifru wrote: Omg Alwayswannadie is at 800 gold again 1k now ! a range creep that heals ! | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On June 06 2015 15:21 beifru wrote: Omg Alwayswannadie is at 800 gold again you could have only boots as dazzle 50 minutes into the game and you wouldn't be useless. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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i don't know how sigil scales. | ||
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lprk
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Poorly, but neither of his skills scale well. | ||
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Azarkon
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Black - too defensive. Hao - too aggressive. Wonder whether they miss Sylar. And yes, they're too 5 man.. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:28 Azarkon wrote: VG's carries. Black - too defensive. Hao - too aggressive. Wonder whether they miss Sylar. And yes, they're too 5 man.. Hao is aggressive but he's a that actually make plays that can carry his team. Of course if you are aggressive there are times you pay for being one | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:33 Azarkon wrote: Does VG think Empire don't know how to team fight? Lelz you pay for thinking that. everybody can teamfight | ||
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Azarkon
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Every top team, but especially Empire and Secret. Against such teams, going in 4v5 is insane, staying after an aegis is suicide. | ||
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On June 06 2015 15:34 beifru wrote: iceiceice going for mek instead of dagger is just failfish He had one of the best starts a Nyxx could ask for then proceeds to drop lower than a position 4 in networth. GG double kill to gyro. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:35 Azarkon wrote: Every top team, but especially Empire and Secret. Against such teams, going in 4v5 is insane, staying after an aegis is suicide. empire generally play risky that's why they fight a lot .. going 4v5 against empire isn't insane c9 fights with less heroes against empire and it works out On June 06 2015 15:39 Azarkon wrote: Watching VG, after a while you come to understand that they're actually not very smart. A lot of the times they don't know what they're able to do and what they're not able to do, and just keep trying to make aggressive plays all game because it's the only style they know, not because it's the best way to play all game. i swear you are the only guy who says that .. and on the contrary the one you described is empire | ||
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Azarkon
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On June 06 2015 15:39 goody153 wrote: empire generally play risky that's why they fight a lot .. going 4v5 against empire isn't insane c9 fights with less heroes against empire and it works out i swear you are the only guy who says that .. and on the contrary the one you described is empire Empire is the same in a lot of ways, which is why these teams trade fights and games. However, VG has an extra disadvantage - they tilt, which makes their decision making even worse. | ||
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uriel-
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On June 06 2015 15:39 Azarkon wrote: Watching VG, after a while you come to understand that they're actually not very smart. A lot of the times they don't know what they're able to do and what they're not able to do, and just keep trying to make aggressive plays all game because it's the only style they know, not because it's the best way to play all game. Feels like they consistently overestimate what they are able to do When it works it's highlight-reel stuff, when it doesn't they lose like this | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 06 2015 15:40 RiZu wrote: nyx without blink is fucking awful. Guardian Greaves claim another victim. | ||
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beifru
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On June 06 2015 15:39 Azarkon wrote: Watching VG, after a while you come to understand that they're actually not very smart. A lot of the times they don't know what they're able to do and what they're not able to do, and just keep trying to make aggressive plays all game because it's the only style they know, not because it's the best way to play all game. VG not smart enough to do great rotations. Empire out-rotated VG. How do you stop such good rotations? | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On June 06 2015 15:42 trifecta wrote: Super lmao Well nothing to say... he missed glimpse stun and lot of opportunities though he did give VG a good head start. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:40 Azarkon wrote: Empire is the same in a lot of ways, which is why these teams trade fights and games. However, VG has an extra disadvantage - they tilt, which makes their decision making even worse. it's more like VG doesn't go risky when they are at the disadvantage which empire does alot (even when they aren't on a disaadvantage you'd see them get baited alot cause they always want blood lol) .. even empire tilts trust that's just not Vg | ||
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Azarkon
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On June 06 2015 15:43 goody153 wrote: it's more like VG doesn't go risky when they are at the disadvantage which empire does alot (even when they aren't on a disaadvantage you'd see them get baited alot cause they always want blood lol) .. even empire tilts trust that's just not Vg Empire doesn't tilt, else they'd play worse after losing a game, which is what VG normally does. Hopefully VG doesn't this time else the finals are going to be rather boring for the Chinese fans. | ||
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On June 06 2015 15:44 Azarkon wrote: Empire doesn't tilt, else they'd play worse after losing a game, which is what VG normally does. Hopefully VG doesn't this time else the finals are going to be rather boring for the Chinese fans. Yes they do especially against snowbally team(watch their games against c9) .. afterwards they just stick as 5 (well all teams do that generally) but they don't spread the map try to risky splitpush out lanes like other teams do | ||
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On June 06 2015 15:45 Thetwinmasters wrote: Yeah this tournament should be an easy win for secret at this point i do hope VG wins .. i don't wanna watch Secret win everything easily at least even if Secret wins i'm certain with how the two teams play VG will give them a fight | ||
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Nymzee
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On June 06 2015 15:45 Thetwinmasters wrote: Yeah this tournament should be an easy win for secret at this point they have to beat bone7's draft. do you expect that to happen???? i have so much faith i put 2 immortals on c9 to win  | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:49 Nymzee wrote: they have to beat bone7's draft. do you expect that to happen???? i have so much faith i put 2 immortals on c9 to win you did ? lmao bones drafts are weird mate it's more like they just outplayed ehome | ||
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beifru
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On June 06 2015 15:49 Nymzee wrote: they have to beat bone7's draft. do you expect that to happen???? i have so much faith i put 2 immortals on c9 to win If its an Empire vs C9 finals, it would be so sad to watch. They are clueless against C9. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On June 06 2015 15:53 beifru wrote: If its an Empire vs C9 finals, it would be so sad to watch. They are clueless against C9. Has C9 ever even taken a game off Secret? | ||
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United States11060 Posts
On June 06 2015 15:47 goody153 wrote: i do hope VG wins .. i don't wanna watch Secret win everything easily at least even if Secret wins i'm certain with how the two teams play VG will give them a fight I thought you said c9 would win ! Where's the faith! | ||
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beifru
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On June 06 2015 15:56 Sabu113 wrote: I thought you said c9 would win ! Where's the faith! You aren't a true c9 fan if you expect c9 to win. c9 fans are Murphy's law believers. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 15:56 Sabu113 wrote: I thought you said c9 would win ! Where's the faith! i said they'd win TI5 not this tournament  game ? yeah sure like twice or 3 times .. series ? never lol | ||
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spudde123
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Yes, hard to forget that series at DAC for example where c9 lead 1-0 and lost the 2nd game the way they did. I don't think with the new lineups they've played more than two bo3s and one bo1. With the old lineups the score was pretty lopsided in favor of Secret in online games but in their only LAN encounter (though bo1) c9 won. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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beifru
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Congrats Empire for proceeding to the finals. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On June 06 2015 16:07 Weasel- wrote: So superjal = iceiceice or the manager? it's ice | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 16:07 beifru wrote: God... its a Super SF. Congrats Empire for proceeding to the finals. hahahaha alright i shouldn't have laughed with that hey this could be Hao SF | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 16:07 Weasel- wrote: So superjal = iceiceice or the manager? his cousin | ||
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beifru
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Should be a fast game coming up. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 16:16 uriel- wrote: At least it's not fy greedy jungle enigma this time they can't do that super gonna get rolled mid .. all 3 lanes are looking bad for empire | ||
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On June 06 2015 16:19 Kuroeeah wrote: i just realized jal is actually someone real. is that actually icex3? lol that's his cousin(it's iceiceice) | ||
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RiZu
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there are time that I think they should ban a hero like qop which is a trademark of Empire. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 16:25 beifru wrote: Super's SF sucking as usual. to be fair it's hard as SF against Tony-wisp | ||
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shouldbeworking
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Azarkon
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On June 06 2015 16:19 WolfintheSheep wrote: Reminder that VG tilt can't rotate aren't smart etc. etc. Yup. | ||
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Azarkon
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On June 06 2015 16:31 zeru wrote: love how well they shut down super Missed razes has a lot to do with that. Also their dumb arse move mid where they used a 1 person black hole next to a tier 1 tower thinking Empire wasn't going to do shit, etc. | ||
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beifru
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
no more EE Vs VG final karma plz ^^ | ||
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spudde123
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On June 06 2015 16:39 goody153 wrote: the one good thing for VG is that they could possibly end up with 4 cores .. actually could be 5 cores and they are gonna overpower empire There is no way for VG to farm though. VG has to be extremely scared of getting picked off on every hero, even the Bristleback. Empire on the other hand doesn't have a care in the world, there is no real way for VG to kill their heroes who farm and split push outside of an occasional smoke play with black hole. | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:40 Azarkon wrote: VG - the very example of not being clutch. You don't have to be clutch until TI. Look at the VG game last year and where they ended up, they are the opposite of the clutch team last year too. | ||
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United States20903 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:42 drew-chan wrote: Western doto best doto. Can't wait for TI. The pattern must be maintained. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
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sweetkay
206 Posts
Chinese teams need to shape up and find their feet in this patch soon tbh. It's not that long until TI. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:42 RiZu wrote: You don't have to be clutch until TI. Look at the VG game last year and where they ended up, they are the opposite of the clutch team last year too. Last year they were basically an irrelevant team all the way till TI 4. This year is very different. | ||
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goody153
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china gonna be strong TI6 .. we gonna get rekt next year mates On June 06 2015 16:42 spudde123 wrote: There is no way for VG to farm though. VG has to be extremely scared of getting picked off on every hero, even the Bristleback. Empire on the other hand doesn't have a care in the world, there is no real way for VG to kill their heroes who farm and split push outside of an occasional smoke play with black hole. well yeah idk a lost teamfight could change that | ||
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Elurie
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On June 06 2015 16:45 Sloke wrote: wow, you have to be kidding ... how did bristle not kill tiny Wisp and Dazzle, good friends to have during tough times. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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drew-chan
Malaysia1517 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:45 shouldbeworking wrote: No chinese team in top 2 in a chinese tournament? Hao embarrassing. The prophecy is true. West>East>West>East> now West again for TI5 if this keeps up. SEA cries in a corner | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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CAPSLOCKED
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:45 Azarkon wrote: Last year they were basically an irrelevant team all the way till TI 4. This year is very different. VG were the best team at the end of 2013 | ||
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goody153
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
Empire's execution is flat out better. | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
hey we count as East mate | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:46 CAPSLOCKED wrote: sure hope someone knocks empire out of TI for us just pray that TI format is the same as last year. Empire suck pretty hard on Bo1, even when they are playing a series, they always lose the first game. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:46 goody153 wrote: Vici would've put up a better fight against Secret.alright VG dead .. finals is gonna be awful | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Combine him with Super and it's a disaster. As great of a troll Icex3 looks to be in interviews, etc., he sure does have a fragile mentality. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 16:47 Daralii wrote: Vici would've put up a better fight against Secret. yeah that's what i thought i think secret or c9(especially c9) is autowin against empire | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Yea but irrelevant throughout 2014 till TI 4. | ||
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zeru
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drew-chan
Malaysia1517 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:47 Azarkon wrote: I think Icex3 is, sadly, one of the worst players when it comes to being able to win elimination games. Last year he sucked at TI 4 too. DK lose one game, he starts playing bad. Combine him with Super and it's a disaster. As great of a troll Icex3 looks to be in interviews, etc., he sure does have a fragile mentality. So true. Puppey on a 4 enigma does way more than ice3 | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
Never forget. | ||
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Russian Federation251 Posts
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:49 Daralii wrote: "I didn't realize how bad the other teams were." -Iceiceice, 2015 Never forget. The curse is strong . Good thing he doesn't want all attention on VG, now everyone will focus on Secret and Empire. | ||
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Azarkon
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Even the casters know it. | ||
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On June 06 2015 16:47 RiZu wrote: just pray that TI format is the same as last year. Empire suck pretty hard on Bo1, even when they are playing a series, they always lose the first game. c9 could do a favor for VG | ||
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Racket
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:51 TheTenthDoc wrote: It felt like nobody on Empire died for the last 10 minutes of that game. Some sick Io play. It did not felt, that was a fact. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:49 zeru wrote: No, VG suck against t1 western teams, they only destroy chinas. to be fair who not destroy CN ? look at this MAR | ||
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walsh_walsh
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Ingvar
Russian Federation421 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
Once VG loses they keep losing | ||
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beifru
2164 Posts
Kinda strange | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:52 Evander Berry Wall wrote: VG, a team which was quite arguably the best in the world a short time ago, has been losing a lot of games lately, not just against EG and Secret, but even teams outside of the presumed top 3 (Empire and LGD). What has been the cause of these recent lost series? I have a hard time finding any notable event that coincides other than patch 6.84. Is this patch just bad for VG? Super suck when he need to play hero that need to land things without right click. There a reason why he is so impressive at DK, Storm and whatever clicking heros. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:50 Azarkon wrote: And again VG loses to Empire in a BoX. The greatness of Western Doto! Even the casters know it. ..... stop this West VS East.... it's CIS or EU or NA or CN or SEA | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:52 Azarkon wrote: I so love to be correct about a team. You are correct about western dota being strong although you are wrong about all the shit you said about VG. You are just riding the empire win .You even called iceiceice bad lmao what does every other western player look like if iceiceice is bad On June 06 2015 16:53 parazice wrote: ..... stop this West VS East.... it's CIS or EU or NA or CN or SEA that's just azarkon dude he's known to have a huge hate on china and huge love of the western scene also when's sea ever gonna be relevant | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:52 Evander Berry Wall wrote: VG, a team which was quite arguably the best in the world a short time ago, has been losing a lot of games lately, not just against EG and Secret, but even teams outside of the presumed top 3 (Empire and LGD). What has been the cause of these recent lost series? I have a hard time finding any notable event that coincides other than patch 6.84. Is this patch just bad for VG? Why is VG still in the top 3? Secret, Empire, EG, in that order, are the best three teams in the world. VG has a losing record vs. all three. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
i think c9 have the potential but its about a 20-30% chance that they draft the actual good shit they need to draft 2 games out of three and if they draft the good shit it's like a 50% chance they play it correctly rather than with undue risk or self-nextleveling lane decisions | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:54 goody153 wrote: You are correct about western dota being strong although you are wrong about all the shit you said about VG. You are just riding the empire win .You even called iceiceice bad lmao what does every other western player look like if iceiceice is bad I am 100% spot on about VG, sorry but I gotta gloat a bit. | ||
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shouldbeworking
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On June 06 2015 16:52 Azarkon wrote: I so love to be correct about a team. Hey even a broken clock is right twice a day. What happened at TI4 huh? | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
now early 2015 empire eats VG back to back will 2014 TI repeats it self where empire kick them-self in the nut | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:53 RiZu wrote: Super suck when he need to play hero that need to land things without right click. There a reason why he is so impressive at DK, Storm and whatever clicking heros. Okay, but how does that correspond to a change over time? Did they just recently have Super start playing more heroes like that? | ||
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Elurie
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On June 06 2015 16:52 Evander Berry Wall wrote: VG, a team which was quite arguably the best in the world a short time ago, has been losing a lot of games lately, not just against EG and Secret, but even teams outside of the presumed top 3 (Empire and LGD). What has been the cause of these recent lost series? I have a hard time finding any notable event that coincides other than patch 6.84. Is this patch just bad for VG? They ate the c9 magic beans of stomping g1, throwing g2, and full tilt g3. | ||
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opterown
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 16:54 Azarkon wrote: Why is VG still in the top 3? Secret, Empire, EG, in that order, are the best three teams in the world. VG has a losing record vs. all three. empire top 3 ? lmao they're 0-7 against c9 | ||
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beifru
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On June 06 2015 16:54 Azarkon wrote: I am 100% spot on about VG, sorry but I gotta gloat a bit. Oh look at him rotate | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:54 shouldbeworking wrote: Hey even a broken clock is right twice a day. What happened at TI4 huh? That metaphor is so bad when it comes to me. I've been correct about 70-80% of the calls I make. Even TI 4 wasn't a total miss for me, I said 50-50 and it ended up being China favored, so what? I didn't call China to fail at TI 4. On the other hand, what I said about iG, VG, Newbee, this year's LGD, etc. all ended up being correct. Secret too, though I'm going to allow that to pass because they did lose DAC. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:54 Azarkon wrote: Why is VG still in the top 3? Secret, Empire, EG, in that order, are the best three teams in the world. VG has a losing record vs. all three. They were in the presumed top 3 for a while. I was analyzing these losses as a recent event. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:54 goody153 wrote: You are correct about western dota being strong although you are wrong about all the shit you said about VG. You are just riding the empire win .You even called iceiceice bad lmao what does every other western player look like if iceiceice is bad that's just azarkon dude he's known to have a huge hate on china and huge love of the western scene also when's sea ever gonna be relevant you never learn ..... don't talk shit with him (cuz you never win if you not nazi admin) try to discuss with him | ||
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:54 Azarkon wrote: Why is VG still in the top 3? Secret, Empire, EG, in that order, are the best three teams in the world. VG has a losing record vs. all three. you forgot lgd 3-0 in i-league final last week :- | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:57 OzVelas wrote: you forgot lgd 3-0 in i-league final last week :- Yea, they're not even the best in China now. | ||
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Germany5966 Posts
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
i was cheering for them but empire looked super solid after the first loss, i hope secret vs c9 is more closer been really liking the bone7 drafts go bone7 :D | ||
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sweetkay
206 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:53 parazice wrote: ..... stop this West VS East.... it's CIS or EU or NA or CN or SEA While I agree calling Empire western Dota is a bit of a stretch it is still a fact that the most populated area of Russia is west of the Ural mountains which is the European side of Russia. The Asian side of Russia is pretty barren and not many people live there in comparison. | ||
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Nymzee
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On June 06 2015 16:56 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: if vg is c9 can c9 be the eg (ala dac) of this tourney?!?!? my immortals are hoping so :D | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:58 sweetkay wrote: While I agree calling Empire western Dota is a bit of a stretch it is still a fact that the most populated area of Russia is west of the Ural mountains which is the European side of Russia. The Asian side of Russia is pretty barren and not many people live there in comparison. sure but saying that part of europe is similar enough to be grouped with western europe is still a huge stretch its like calling all of the sea scene chinese dota because they're part of eastern asia | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:54 goody153 wrote: You are correct about western dota being strong although you are wrong about all the shit you said about VG. You are just riding the empire win .You even called iceiceice bad lmao what does every other western player look like if iceiceice is bad that's just azarkon dude he's known to have a huge hate on china and huge love of the western scene also when's sea ever gonna be relevant One day I believe, when the sea is right and ripe. The people of sea will unite into one, and take the crown. | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:58 sweetkay wrote: While I agree calling Empire western Dota is a bit of a stretch it is still a fact that the most populated area of Russia is west of the Ural mountains which is the European side of Russia. The Asian side of Russia is pretty barren and not many people live there in comparison. buddy it's not actually more about geographical location since it doesn't make sense to group up EU and NA that way it's just that EAST = sea+ china and West = CIS + NA + EU .. it's more like cause those under the group play together and each other more | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:58 sweetkay wrote: While I agree calling Empire western Dota is a bit of a stretch it is still a fact that the most populated area of Russia is west of the Ural mountains which is the European side of Russia. The Asian side of Russia is pretty barren and not many people live there in comparison. and that why i hate this topic look in the past... when EG vs Navi ----> NA or EU best doto ...bla bla or Navi vs A ----> EU or CIS best doto ...bla bla and the list go on.... | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
Exactly my point. Saying X continent's play style is better than X is meaningless. All it takes is some sick strategy to come out in a middle of a tournament and even heavy favorites would lose. The beauty of Dota. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
I'm also amazed you people still bother with azarkon, he's the standard type that keeps quiet or backtracks when he is wrong and comes out to pretend he knows anything when he isn't. Learn to internet boys. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:59 Super_Style wrote: Vici with black were the best team in the world, just saying... hue hue hue let the hate begin. Pre-6.84 Vici with Hao were by far best team in the world. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
NA Dota is easier to separate from EU/CIS Dota because the pings make it difficult for NA teams to scrim and play EU teams daily, but when it comes to East vs. West, there is only one West, no CIS/EU/NA. I do think it's logical to talk about EU/CIS Dota vs. NA Dota vs. Chinese Dota vs. SEA Dota vs. Korean Dota, but the standard match up built up by casters, fans, etc. is East vs. West. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:02 uriel- wrote: VG has had a losing record against basically every other "top team" in the past few months. I won't even put them in top 5 atm. I'm also amazed you people still bother with azarkon, he's the standard type that keeps quiet or backtracks when he is wrong and comes out to pretend he knows anything when he isn't. Learn to internet boys. hate him or love him but A-god is make Website alive .... and that a good thing imo (gosu not dead cuz him alone) | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:05 parazice wrote: hate him or love him but A-god is make Website alive .... and that a good thing imo (gosu not dead cuz him alone) yeah 50% bonus entertainment | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:02 uriel- wrote: VG has had a losing record against basically every other "top team" in the past few months. I won't even put them in top 5 atm. I'm also amazed you people still bother with azarkon, he's the standard type that keeps quiet or backtracks when he is wrong and comes out to pretend he knows anything when he isn't. Learn to internet boys. When was the last time I backtracked? I don't have 24/7 to spend on Dota so obviously I'm not going to be there in every LR thread. For example, I wasn't even there yesterday during the C9/Empire games because they were way in the night for NA. I don't hide. I just don't have time to bother with every tournament/match. | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:05 parazice wrote: hate him or love him but A-god is make Website alive .... and that a good thing imo (gosu not dead cuz him alone) nah GG.net are starting to produce more of him, albeit none as good as him but it add variety. Now there are pretty much a person defending each regions. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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Super_Style
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:06 RiZu wrote: nah GG.net are starting to produce more of him, albeit none as good as him but it add variety. Now there are pretty much a person defending each regions. i think we have enough china defender and western defender .. we need more sea defender like sleepydreams (IF FUCKING SEA CAN PLEASE PICK UP THEIR GAME PLS I NEED A SEA TO ROOT FOR) | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:06 RiZu wrote: nah GG.net are starting to produce more of him, albeit none as good as him but it add variety. Now there are pretty much a person defending each regions. oh i mean in era Dota1 -> Ti1 ->b4 Ti2(when our game was nearly dead (only CN or PH that still play doto)) | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:07 Super_Style wrote: Russia plays European Championships in every sport known to man, they count themselves as Europeans thus cis dota = eu dota, its that simple. Saying otherwise is like saying Canada dota isnt part of NA dota because well Canada aint USA. CIS Dota is part of EU Dota big and often different enough to be considered a separate entity. | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:07 ForTehDarkseid wrote: No fucking way EG is top3 world now. as long as there is a lower bracket, there will always be EG. Unless there is bubble race again this year, EG might get eliminated at 10th place. | ||
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:08 goody153 wrote: i think we have enough china defender and western defender .. we need more sea defender like sleepydreams (IF FUCKING SEA CAN PLEASE PICK UP THEIR GAME PLS I NEED A SEA TO ROOT FOR) I can be a SEA DEFENDER. GO FNATIC ! SHOW THE WORLD WHAT YOURE MADE OFF. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:07 ForTehDarkseid wrote: No fucking way EG is top3 world now. i think EG is pretty hard to read because they tend to look generally weak except in extended tournaments where they get stronger and stronger, sometimes strong enough to take a top spot, sometimes not feels like they could get top 3 at TI5 but also feels like they could be like 8th or lower | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:08 goody153 wrote: i think we have enough china defender and western defender .. we need more sea defender like sleepydreams (IF FUCKING SEA CAN PLEASE PICK UP THEIR GAME PLS I NEED A SEA TO ROOT FOR) Dude, I'm from SEA I want to defend them, but results speak for themselves lol. Until Mushi God gets top 2 at TI we have to remain in the shadows. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:08 goody153 wrote: i think we have enough china defender and western defender .. we need more sea defender like sleepydreams (IF FUCKING SEA CAN PLEASE PICK UP THEIR GAME PLS I NEED A SEA TO ROOT FOR) Depends on if you count korean master race as SEA | ||
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beifru
2164 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i think EG is pretty hard to read because they tend to look generally weak except in extended tournaments where they get stronger and stronger, sometimes strong enough to take a top spot, sometimes not feels like they could get top 3 at TI5 but also feels like they could be like 8th or lower Yeah, it kinda depends which EG turns up. They kinda tilt often as well. | ||
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beifru
2164 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:10 uriel- wrote: Depends on if you count korean master race as SEA The Koreans are too busy shitting on everyone in LOL. Apparently, the monthly salary of a LOL pro player dwarfs that of Dota pros. LOL superstars are treated unbelievably well in Korea. | ||
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Super_Style
296 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:09 lolfail9001 wrote: CIS Dota is part of EU Dota big and often different enough to be considered a separate entity. Yes the style is different but then by that logic EG is not NA dota its an entity for itself. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:08 goody153 wrote: i think we have enough china defender and western defender .. we need more sea defender like sleepydreams (IF FUCKING SEA CAN PLEASE PICK UP THEIR GAME PLS I NEED A SEA TO ROOT FOR) SEA is all about LOL and HON or Mobile sad but true | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:10 uriel- wrote: Depends on if you count korean master race as SEA Korea Master Team counts although i think they are CoL level or something similar On June 06 2015 17:11 beifru wrote: The Koreans are too busy shitting on everyone in LOL. Apparently, the monthly salary of a LOL pro player dwarfs that of Dota pros. LOL superstars are treated unbelievably well in Korea. but i'm very certain cash wise i think dota pros have many times higher amount than LoL pros(cause fucking international) although the downside is that it's top heavy so only the top teams have that shit | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
Anyhow, I guess I'm going to stick with 6.84 answer for VG, because it remains the only thing I have. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:12 Super_Style wrote: Yes the style is different but then by that logic EG is not NA dota its an entity for itself. it definitely feels that way... when people mock nadota they are mocking every team except EG, EG is some sort of exception to typical nadota | ||
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:12 parazice wrote: SEA is all about LOL and HON or Mobile sad but true You forgotten about Fifa. I know pretty alot of peeps on fifa from sea. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:12 Super_Style wrote: Yes the style is different but then by that logic EG is not NA dota its an entity for itself. Not best comparison since EG is 1 team, while CIS dota probably has about as much teams as EU dota. And yes, EG is usually regarded as separate entity from NA dota either way. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:12 goody153 wrote: i know that they fucking suck against top-est tier teams but please just please Korea Master Team counts although i think they are CoL level or something similar Korean doto won't go well if BIG gun like SKT or KT not join in ..... | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:15 opterown wrote: alright boys let's go sea dota vietnam gonna win ti6 When the best Vietnam team are plagued with match-fixing, no way | ||
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Kuroeeah
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:12 Evander Berry Wall wrote: People really love to over-analyze the nature of the teams and attribute all kinds of intricate special properties to them that no one has actually ever provided evidence of. Anyhow, I guess I'm going to stick with 6.84 answer for VG, because it remains the only thing I have. VG gained this reputation in 6.83 in the finals vs. EG. They reinforced it in the Bo5 vs. Empire at D2CL. They reinforced it again vs. EG and Secret at BTS 3. And again in the I-League finals vs. LGD. And again today. I think the only finals they've won in the last, what, six months, has been that SL 12 series vs. iG. 5/6 tournaments, VG does this, it becomes not just an over-analysis, but a decent theory. | ||
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Hai1Fyre
South Africa270 Posts
Just need to beat Clown9 | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:14 parazice wrote: Korean doto won't go well if BIG gun like SKT or KT not join in ..... I don't really think training environment matters much in pro dota scene when teams like Secret/c9 or even newbee(back when they didn't slump) can still win so much stuff when they don't practice together in a teamhouse or newbee and old eg with artour/zai with the no practice at all style when there are teams who go teamhouse and practice alot together but still shit themselves in tournaments. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:16 Kuroeeah wrote: I dont think its possible for SKT or KT to make Dota teams ya that why i don't think KR 'll make a noise in doto like other game | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:16 Kuroeeah wrote: I dont think its possible for SKT or KT to make Dota teams they can buy out mvp teams but i don't think they can make their own home-grown talent team for a long time | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:17 parazice wrote: ya that why i don't think KR 'll make a noise in doto like other game why would they play inferiormoba when they have the riot-approved superiormoba ! | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:17 Hai1Fyre wrote: I'm hyped for a Secret - Empire Finals :D Just need to beat Clown9 Me too, it's the best match-up we can have in dota right now imo. I wonder how much they practice against each other. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:17 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Typically I would say that Secret is better than C9, but Secret always under-performs on Saturdays, so C9 has this one in the bag. They'll win the whole series actually, because Empire has a horrible streak against Western teams after Chinese teams. Whenever they face western teams after beating a Chinese team, they always lose. can't tell if serious or mocking azarkon + Show Spoiler + ok i can tell but it was pretty good also itd be hilarious if it became true | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:19 opterown wrote: they can buy out mvp teams but i don't think they can make their own home-grown talent team for a long time MVP got fucked by Samsung when they buy out their LoL team, damn this team need a break for grooming talents only to get bought out. Funny enough before World as well and obvly Karama striked. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:16 Azarkon wrote: VG gained this reputation in 6.83 in the finals vs. EG. They reinforced it in the Bo5 vs. Empire at D2CL. They reinforced it again vs. EG at BTS 3. And again in the I-League finals vs. LGD. And again today. I think the only finals they've won in the last, what, six months, has been that SL 12 series vs. iG. 5/6 tournaments, VG does this, it becomes not just an over-analysis, but a decent theory. Short List of completed LAN tournaments between DAC and 6.84 dropping: 1. StarLadder 12 2. VGP League or something (had LAN final for sure even though i think rest was online play). 3. MLG Columbus (could not even participate in it). So, they have won 2/2 LANs they have participated in after obtaining Hao until 6.84 happened. Problems? | ||
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beifru
2164 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:20 Kuroeeah wrote: No as in literally impossible because of some Riot Korea imposed rule on Kespa teams rofl Yep, Riot compensates the teams for participating in tournaments as well. They also get advertising fees etc for skins. LOL is pretty advanced in terms of milking esports money. Riot earns almost 10x the amount Valve does on Dota. There is absolutely no reason for Koreans to switch games. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:17 goody153 wrote: I don't really think training environment matters much in pro dota scene when teams like Secret/c9 or even newbee(back when they didn't slump) can still win so much stuff when they don't practice together in a teamhouse or newbee and old eg with artour/zai with the no practice at all style when there are teams who go teamhouse and practice alot together but still shit themselves in tournaments. the problem is not training env but number of player in KR ..... if no big Name team or big name Org support doto in Kr they won't have that number.... | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:10 beifru wrote: Yeah, it kinda depends which EG turns up. They kinda tilt often as well. Not...really? I mean, they've got like an 80% rate of reaching LAN finals and like a 95% rate of being top 4 in every tournament they've signed up for. If that's tilting often, I'm pretty sure every team that's around wishes they could tilt like them. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:23 shouldbeworking wrote: I wouldn't be sure about Korea not becoming a force in Dota. If it becomes more and more lucrative than for sure that will get some interest. It's just that I heard LoL teams have pretty damn good salaries over there. You don't have to win big tournaments only to survive. china has stolen a good amount of korean talent with their salaries already though | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Short List of completed LAN tournaments between DAC and 6.84 dropping: 1. StarLadder 12 2. VGP League or something (had LAN final for sure even though i think rest was online play). So, they have won 2/2 LANs they have participated in after obtaining Hao until 6.84 happened. Problems? VGP was weak competition. SL 12 does count and at the time a lot of people did think VG had overcome their issues. But then we had D2CL, BTS 3, I-League finals, and MarsTV all in a row, so... And the way VG loses. It's not just that they get smashed in tournaments and that's it. They actually do pretty well in the early stages. Especially in Bo1s. They play top tier Dota and don't throw games. Icex3 is a god. Super performs well. Etc. It's whenever they get pressured by top tier teams in BoXs that you see this behavior, this constant throwing, constant mistakes, constant.bad play by Super and Icex3, and so on. VG didn't gain this reputation just because they lose, but also because of the way they lose. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:26 Kamisamanachi wrote: wow..lol..this thread is now discussing koreans future into dota after a chinese team lost to european team...rofl.. Folks here have revolutionized the art of getting ahead of themselves. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:26 Kamisamanachi wrote: wow..lol..this thread is now discussing koreans future into dota after a chinese team lost to european team...rofl.. This is more related to A-God's hype for Koreans. If you kept track of the conversation you'd know how it derailed there. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:27 Kuroeeah wrote: This is more related to A-God's hype for Koreans. If you kept track of the conversation you'd know how it derailed there. At this rate i get confused between A-God and A-god. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
Also would you kindly wait a bit before calling the finals over because "Empire can't beat Western teams". They've actually been a clutch Team on LAN and haven't faced many Western teams. Last time I can remember they crushed EG. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:30 StarVe wrote: Wow, Empire really did it. I love it when supporting a team actually pays off. Thanks for making me happy! Also would you kindly wait a bit before calling the finals over because "Empire can't beat Western teams". They've actually been a clutch Team on LAN and haven't faced many Western teams. Last time I can remember they crushed EG. Went 2-1 vs EG, iirc. Wasn't really a crushing. Unless there was something other than MLG that I forgot. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:32 WolfintheSheep wrote: Went 2-1 vs EG, iirc. Wasn't really a crushing. Unless there was something other than MLG that I forgot. there was SL12 or SL11 against VP where they won 3-1 i thiink but that's against VP .. not secret not eg not their worst enemy c9 | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:32 WolfintheSheep wrote: Went 2-1 vs EG, iirc. Wasn't really a crushing. Unless there was something other than MLG that I forgot. By the way, Empire being in finals secures Secret taking another spot in finals because C9 can't get to finals since they can't win AND can't lose to empire. On June 06 2015 17:33 Spicy_Curry wrote: this is the first year that navi hasnt completely fucked empire thank god Obligatory reminder that Empire was not touched last year until TI4 was pretty much over. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:29 opterown wrote: there is only one true A-god and he's in this thread right now lol this azarkon guy was also trolling in gosu forums..But the difference in here and there is the other trolls over there counter trolled him most of the time soo hard that this nerd just becomes silent. A-God? feels more like A-Dog after reading his next level analysis here.. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:33 Spicy_Curry wrote: this is the first year that navi hasnt completely fucked empire thank god Good thing TI5 rosters are locked in, because these Empire players sure look good for headhunting. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:33 Kamisamanachi wrote: lol this azarkon guy was also trolling in gosu forums..But the difference in here and there is the other trolls over there counter trolled him most of the time soo hard that this nerd just becomes silent. A-God? feels more like A-Dog after reading his next level analysis here.. So you're saying we need to rotate better? | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:34 WolfintheSheep wrote: Good thing TI5 rosters are locked in, because these Empire players sure look good for headhunting. i hope they also stick together after TI5 ,as majors will not be too far | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:34 WolfintheSheep wrote: So you're saying we need to rotate better? yea..if u want to. i have my popcorn ready..just go ahead | ||
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Super_Style
296 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:29 opterown wrote: there is only one true A-god and he's in this thread right now When we were left with nothing but dry soil and a dying land, our small village LiquidDotA realized we have committed a terrible sin of exiling A-God into the dangerous wilderness known as Gosugamers. We almost gave up hope until he returned and showed mercy. | ||
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Elurie
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:36 Super_Style wrote: ANYho are there vods for the series i missed game 1 that empire lost and i wanna kill the time before secret starts, Im fairly sure Azubu has vods | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:37 Elurie wrote: Why are you guys still giving him attention? Following him from one forum to another - isn't that like hand-feeding his ego? I'll be honest, he's really the only one that posts stuff during the downtimes. | ||
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Super_Style
296 Posts
Yeh i found russian and vietnamese ones but not english | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:33 Kamisamanachi wrote: lol this azarkon guy was also trolling in gosu forums also and the difference in here and there is the other trolls over there counter trolled him most of the time soo hard that this nerd just becomes silent. A-God? feels more like A-Dog after reading his next level analysis here.. Were GG.net forums up presently, I'd have a field day with them. Their tears would flow as rivers and rise as seas across the internetz for forty days and forty nights. Gabe would build an ark, and to populate it he would select one compendium owner from each region. When the ocean of tears finally dry, a new world would rise in which there would be parity between all the regions, even the South Americans, and there'd be peace and joy and happiness... ...Till the next TI. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
I just look back to a month before TI4, and all the popular, unshakable, confident, wrong predictions. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:39 Azarkon wrote: Were GG.net forums up presently, I'd have a field day with them. Their tears would flow as rivers and rise as seas across the internetz for forty days and forty nights. Gabe would build an ark, and to populate it he would select one compendium owner from each region. When the ocean of tears finally dry, a new world would rise in which there would be parity between all the regions, even the South Americans, and there'd be peace and joy and happiness... ...Till the next TI. Please write a book. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10764 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:54 Vertical wrote: so in early 2014 empire rips through tournament now early 2015 empire eats VG back to back will 2014 TI repeats it self where empire kick them-self in the nut Sadly i can totally see that happen. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:42 Evander Berry Wall wrote: *sigh* I just look back to a month before TI4, and all the popular, unshakable, confident, wrong predictions. Most predictions weren't that bad. Most of them got the top 6, maybe off by one. VG in second was a surprise, but Newbee winning wasn't outlandish until their group stage performance. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:41 Kamisamanachi wrote: anyone restreaming these games on twitch? azubu seems like won't load for me I dont think there are any but i also dont know if twitch is being as aggressive with shutting down MarsTV games as they were with MLGX games | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:44 opterown wrote: i really only have azarkon to thank for really solidifying my fanboyship of chinese dota, especially after all his posting on TL during TI2 and TI3. i was rooting for china to play well during those tournaments not because it was china but more so rooting against azarkon. he's probably one reason why i'm invested in dota, so that's one thing to thank. You're welcome. In fact, a lot of people have told me this over the years. They are all welcome. I'm not saying I'm doing this to create additional fanboys for Chinese Dota. Which indirectly provides additional opponents for me to argue against. Thus increasing my fame ever further. Uh... Hmm... | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10764 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:39 Azarkon wrote: Were GG.net forums up presently, I'd have a field day with them. Their tears would flow as rivers and rise as seas across the internetz for forty days and forty nights. Gabe would build an ark, and to populate it he would select one compendium owner from each region. When the ocean of tears finally dry, a new world would rise in which there would be parity between all the regions, even the South Americans, and there'd be peace and joy and happiness... ...Till the next TI. Please never change . | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:42 Kuroeeah wrote: So real talk, a lot of teams said C9 were one of the scariest teams out there based on scrims and team preperation. I wonder what C9 will show us given their preperation for Secret the case with rtz vs ee has always been in favor rtz seriously Secret reads c9 like a book .. at least against EG they are even~ish | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:52 goody153 wrote: the case with rtz vs ee has always been in favor rtz seriously Secret reads c9 like a book .. at least against EG they are even~ish Are they actually? I can only think of one match they've actually won against EG (Summit 2). | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:52 goody153 wrote: the case with rtz vs ee has always been in favor rtz seriously Secret reads c9 like a book .. at least against EG they are even~ish You see, yes Secret can read "EE" like a book given the amount of blogging he's been doing but can they read the mind of Bone7? I figured out C9's plan! | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:46 WolfintheSheep wrote: Most predictions weren't that bad. Most of them got the top 6, maybe off by one. VG in second was a surprise, but Newbee winning wasn't outlandish until their group stage performance. Probably the most hyped team of the over-all year got 4th. A rapidly surging favorite (who this very site put at #1 in a power ranking) was eliminated in the first round of playoffs. One of the favorite western teams didn't make it out of group stages. A team people practically forgot even existed dominated groups stage and took 2nd place. A totally doubted American team that squeaked through the wildcard got out of a group stage that killed aforementioned western favorite and the previous year's champ. The Chinese qualifier performed better than this site's favorite. Events really didn't align with popular discussion. Newbee being champ was actually one of the most conventional things that happened (their being one game away from group stage elimination was thoroughly in the unexpected category). | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:54 WolfintheSheep wrote: Are they actually? I can only think of one match they've actually won against EG (Summit 2). there's the online game24 mini tourney where they 3-1'd EG .. also series wise they won plenty against EG not just the important ones yeah while EG won the elimination matches .. if you look at their overall score it's almost even like 1-2 point difference at this similar to how alliance vs navi was during pre-TI4 | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:57 Kamisamanachi wrote: will VG become last year's DK? i mean,i myself don't want to compare both teams as they both are wayy apart..DK's consistency in results was better than VG's..Even if DK lost some tournaments ,they always came 2nd or 3rd in them..but got 1st in most of them..and in the end ,they lost to the every changing TI meta..will VG go the same way with their performance in 2015 since DAC? i actually think VG has been more consistent than DK | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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Ingvar
Russian Federation421 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:58 FuzzyJAM wrote: Can't wait for C9 to beat Secret. I guess you'll have to wait quite a bit. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
But you have to work for it. We saw in the VG vs. Secret series at BTS that throwing Secret off their game one time and then playing the same strategy again isn't enough. You have to do it twice. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:58 FuzzyJAM wrote: Can't wait for C9 to beat Secret. Not going to happen if Universe is to exist. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:00 Azarkon wrote: C9, especially back when they had Aui, but even now, is the mad genius of Western Dota. They have the highest amount of next level strategies that eventually become the meta for other teams. Of course they also have the highest amount of failed strategies that result in them losing horribly. Against Secret, C9's best shot is to throw them off with a next level strategy. Secret under S4 is very solid at maximizing the flexibility of a handful of strategies. But the team does have weaknesses. For example Zai doesn't play a lot of the heroes that S4 gives him at a world class level, and S4 himself isn't very versatile in terms of carry picks. Were you to throw Secret off with a pick they didn't think was meta, then an upset is doable via gaining a draft advantage through it. But you have to work for it. We saw in the VG vs. Secret series at BTS that throwing Secret off their game one time and then playing the same strategy again isn't enough. You have to do it twice. In VG vs Secret series s4 just first banned Bounty Hunter (The key hero) twice in a row after first game, so your example is not really great. | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:00 Kamisamanachi wrote: and on top of that..will there be an LGD story like last year in this TI? LGD was absolutely thrashed by many people during last TI and they somehow pulled miraculous run and placed higher than everyone's expectations..will there be any story like that in this TI? and will least hyped chinese team will reach deep into event just like VG did last year? they weren't absolutely trashed i think they one a b05 against DK or something pre-TI .. also during the group stages they did well (not to mention they dropped TeamLiquid rip) | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:00 lolfail9001 wrote: Not going to happen if Universe is to exist. Can absolutely happen, Secret isn't some magic next level team and FATA is really fucking good | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:58 opterown wrote: i actually think VG has been more consistent than DK i don't even think so..the only notable winnings VG have during 2015 is nothing...while DK were winning tournaments or even placing 2nd or 3rd during 2014 till TI..VG only dominated the period after TI4 till December and that was it,meanwhile DK struggled in new patch until few days ,this VG seems to be struggling in every department even after more than 1 month after patch.. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:03 clusen wrote: Can absolutely happen, Secret isn't some magic next level team and FATA is really fucking good Universe will explode with C9 vs Empire finals because it would mean either Empire winning against C9 or C9 winning a tournament. Impossible to happen | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:01 lolfail9001 wrote: In VG vs Secret series s4 just first banned Bounty Hunter (The key hero) twice in a row after first game, so your example is not really great. Yeah, and Secret saw that this was the center of the strategy after one game. That's what I'm trying to say. You don't get to win with the same strategy twice vs. Secret. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
But I'm fucking hyped for this series, lets go | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:04 lolfail9001 wrote: Universe will explode with C9 vs Empire finals because it would mean either Empire winning against C9 or C9 winning a tournament. Impossible to happen ~thats actually the best arguement for c9 loosing this series atm rofl | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:05 Azarkon wrote: Yeah, and Secret saw that this was the center of the strategy after one game. That's what I'm trying to say. You don't get to win with the same strategy twice vs. Secret. I mean, i am surprised Secret did not first ban BH in game 1 because according to v1lat/NS, Puppey actually noticed that they would auto-lose if VG picks BH when they were discussing what they were going to do | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:56 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Probably the most hyped team of the over-all year got 4th. A rapidly surging favorite (who this very site put at #1 in a power ranking) was eliminated in the first round of playoffs. One of the favorite western teams didn't make it out of group stages. A team people practically forgot even existed dominated groups stage and took 2nd place. A totally doubted American team that squeaked through the wildcard got out of a group stage that killed aforementioned western favorite and the previous year's champ. The Chinese qualifier performed better than this site's favorite. Events really didn't align with popular discussion. Newbee being champ was actually one of the most conventional things that happened (their being one game away from group stage elimination was thoroughly in the unexpected category). This site's power rankings are a notorious joke, by the way. Mouz #6 at Ti4 and EG #6 at TS3 are just the most infamous. Alliance also wasn't a favourite, by the way. People thought they would place higher, granted, but at best they were a very tentative #6. All in all a couple teams did a bit worse than expected, a couple teams did a bit better, and one team that wasn't even considered for finals made it there. | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:04 lolfail9001 wrote: Universe will explode with C9 vs Empire finals because it would mean either Empire winning against C9 or C9 winning a tournament. Impossible to happen Those streaks exist to be broken :p | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:01 Kuroeeah wrote: To be frank, i actually still believe VG has plenty of time to improve and play catch up. Yeah they're beaten convincingly as of this patch but I still thinj they can still contend a high TI placement. It's easy to fix your meta understanding and your draft and even your hero pool, but how do you fix your mentality? This team has issues with nerves; it's very obvious to me, and were I their coach/manager, I'd be looking to fix that first. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:02 goody153 wrote: they weren't absolutely trashed i think they one a b05 against DK or something pre-TI .. also during the group stages they did well (not to mention they dropped TeamLiquid rip) i was talking about general consensus....yea,they were in grand final of that tournament but people just simply ignored them when it came to TI ..they were also treated as weakest team of all chinese going into the event and were expected to finish in top 10 by many ,but they managed to pull some evergy and placed higher than those expectations.. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:02 goody153 wrote: they weren't absolutely trashed i think they one a b05 against DK or something pre-TI .. also during the group stages they did well (not to mention they dropped TeamLiquid rip) I think an underdog Chinese team like Ehome or even CDEC (if they pass wildcards) could make a good underdog run. I dont know if id rate EHome higher than Newbee (probably without thinking too much) but I could see it happening | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:04 lolfail9001 wrote: Universe will explode with C9 vs Empire finals because it would mean either Empire winning against C9 or C9 winning a tournament. Impossible to happen rofl | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:05 Azarkon wrote: Yeah, and Secret saw that this was the center of the strategy after one game. That's what I'm trying to say. You don't get to win with the same strategy twice vs. Secret. Yeah, impossible to beat Secret by picking Tidehunter and Lycan three games. No way to win 2-0 by blocking Lycan and Shadow Fiend twice. Secret too smart to fall for the same strat. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:08 WolfintheSheep wrote: Yeah, impossible to beat Secret by picking Tidehunter and Lycan three games. No way to win 2-0 by blocking Lycan and Shadow Fiend twice. Secret too smart to fall for the same strat. To be honest, s4 drafting is slightly less stubborn than Puppey's. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
EDIT: First stage pl pick... Now that's next level. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:06 WolfintheSheep wrote: This site's power rankings are a notorious joke, by the way. Mouz #6 at Ti4 and EG #6 at TS3 are just the most infamous. Alliance also wasn't a favourite, by the way. People thought they would place higher, granted, but at best they were a very tentative #6. All in all a couple teams did a bit worse than expected, a couple teams did a bit better, and one team that wasn't even considered for finals made it there. I wasn't saying Alliance was the western favorite. The aforementioned favorite I was referring to was Empire. Now, for months they dueled with EG and C9 for that title, but they stayed in the top 3 of that accounting and sometimes sat at 1st. But Alliance was inflated by name recognition and did appear to be having a bit of an upswing leading into TI4, so the group stage elimination was a shock (just not as big as Empire's). Had someone actually presented a completely accurate prediction of TI4 at the time, it would have been thoroughly derided. But of course everything looks more reasonable in retrospect. | ||
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FHDH
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Secret's gonna win this match today | ||
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FuzzyJAM
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On June 06 2015 18:04 lolfail9001 wrote: Universe will explode with C9 vs Empire finals because it would mean either Empire winning against C9 or C9 winning a tournament. Impossible to happen MLG Columbus 2013. Never. Forget. And hey, that finals victory had Arteezy in it too, so. . .proves it. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On June 06 2015 18:13 FHDH wrote: My name is FH and I'm here to say Secret's gonna win this match today Thanks captain obvious, due to Empire winning their match vs VG, C9 are doomed. C9 were not a team back then. | ||
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shouldbeworking
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On June 06 2015 17:57 Kamisamanachi wrote: will VG become last year's DK? i mean,i myself don't want to compare both teams as they both are wayy apart..DK's consistency in results was better than VG's and as versatile as VG..Even if DK lost some tournaments ,they always came 2nd or 3rd in them..but got 1st in most of them..and in the end ,they lost to the ever changing TI meta..will VG go the same way with their performance in 2015 since DAC? This year's DK has to be Secret with VG coming in second. Both recruited the biggest stars they could find. Secret has the edge for star power though. VG could have recruited a better mid like Mu or Ferrari and they are also lacking a top tier captain. Can't wait for this C9 Secret game to start though. I want to see some upsets. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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On June 06 2015 18:13 Evander Berry Wall wrote: I wasn't saying Alliance was the western favorite. The aforementioned favorite I was referring to was Empire. Now, for months they dueled with EG and C9 for that title, but they stayed in the top 3 of that accounting and sometimes sat at 1st. But Alliance was inflated by name recognition and did appear to be having a bit of an upswing leading into TI4, so the group stage elimination was a shock (just not as big as Empire's). Had someone actually presented a completely accurate prediction of TI4 at the time, it would have been thoroughly derided. But of course everything looks more reasonable in retrospect. Wasn't Empire notorious for looking good in the winter and then collapsing during TI invite season? | ||
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Nymzee
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bone7 pls lmao | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 18:14 FuzzyJAM wrote: MLG Columbus 2013. Never. Forget. And hey, that finals victory had Arteezy in it too, so. . .proves it. they weren't facing rtz back then ! ;_; | ||
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clusen
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On June 06 2015 18:14 FuzzyJAM wrote: MLG Columbus 2013. Never. Forget. And hey, that finals victory had Arteezy in it too, so. . .proves it. That final had like 1 player from todays C9 roster I think(EE) | ||
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FuzzyJAM
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On June 06 2015 18:16 clusen wrote: That final had like 1 player from todays C9 roster I think(EE) Shhhhhhhh. Don't give me logic. In all seriousness though, I think C9 are winning the draft so far. | ||
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traumatism
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lolfail9001
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EDIT: Incoming support tidehunter /sarcasm | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
The only major difference I saw in drafting was that S4 doesn't show his hand to his opponent the way Puppey does, even though we all know Scret basically plays the same set of heroes with one new hero from time to time on Zai. Still, that extra bit does give Secret an edge from time to time. | ||
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1nobody
Czech Republic2040 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:18 lolfail9001 wrote: Support Naga? Hm.... I wonder if bone7 will last ban Enigma because. support SF, for the -armor aura,slightl copying fnatic meta! | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:21 Azarkon wrote: S4's drafts aren't that different from Puppey's. The main difference is his shotcalling. S4's instinct is to split push, control creep waves, and rat, while Puppey's is to 4p1 and at times 5 man. S4's shotcalling works very well vs. Chinese teams in this patch. I'm not sure it works as well vs. Western teams, but we have to see. The only major difference I saw in drafting was that S4 doesn't show his hand to his opponent the way Puppey does, even though we all know Scret basically plays the same set of heroes with one new hero from time to time on Zai. Still, that extra bit does give Secret an edge from time to time. They have distinct difference from Puppey's. s4 will ban heroes he lost to when doing same stuff, Puppey will try to do same thing with other heroes but ignoring the problem itself. | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:21 Azarkon wrote: ARTEEZY NAGA? could be if zai goes qop and s4 goes SF | ||
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lolfail9001
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That would mean support clockwork. PLD strats right there | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 18:22 lolfail9001 wrote: That would mean support clockwork. PLD strats right there yeah lol | ||
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Nymzee
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that hero is so horrible | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:24 Nymzee wrote: why would you draft CM wtf that hero is so horrible I KNOW RIGHT .. i hate the hero too (it's actually like witchdoctor and the low cd nukes are good .. also the mana regen aura is amazing that's the reason) | ||
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Azarkon
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I want to see RTZ Naga. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On June 06 2015 18:24 Nymzee wrote: why would you draft CM wtf that hero is so horrible 60% winrate, statistics bruh. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
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Not sure how I feel about the draft. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On June 06 2015 18:25 FuzzyJAM wrote: Offlane Puck is ehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Not sure how I feel about the draft. To be honest, it looks like it will be 1v1 puck vs QoP. Granted, i do think s4 should stomp it as better laner. Oh nvm it is tusk + exort voker + puck. Dirty. | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:25 FuzzyJAM wrote: Offlane Puck is ehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Not sure how I feel about the draft. i guess bone7 wants a 1v1 vs zai to wreck him | ||
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clusen
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On June 06 2015 18:25 lolfail9001 wrote: PMS start for support Naga... Does it mean we have a greedy farming Naga? They did the same when Kuro played Naga in group stages(or when that was) It's "oldschool" Alliance support naga from TI3 | ||
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mutantmagnet
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"Just GG." Settle down Canadian. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 18:27 mutantmagnet wrote: "Empire Pause" "Just GG." Settle down Canadian. both are honorary americans especially rtz | ||
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traumatism
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On June 06 2015 18:26 clusen wrote: They did the same when Kuro played Naga in group stages(or when that was) It's "oldschool" Alliance support naga from TI3 I believe it's a way to counter any snowball. If you song during the snowball you basically have the enemy bunched up for easy pickings. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:28 traumatism wrote: I believe it's a way to counter any snowball. If you song during the snowball you basically have the enemy bunched up for easy pickings. well its a good counter initiate in general but single-tusk snowballs are way more common than snowballs with the whole team | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On June 06 2015 18:30 lolfail9001 wrote: WTF s4 i think the russian stream is a bit ahead no spoileriono pls i mean puck vs qop is an even matchup and tusk is probably stronger than naga in such situations | ||
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zeru
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FuzzyJAM
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Let's do this! | ||
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RiZu
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On June 06 2015 18:30 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i think the russian stream is a bit ahead no spoileriono pls and it was missed ;( | ||
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lmao | ||
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I hope secret wins | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:42 Elyvilon wrote: someone explain to me envy's bots rush please greed .. rtz also goes for that build | ||
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lolfail9001
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On June 06 2015 18:42 Elyvilon wrote: someone explain to me envy's bots rush please Pseudo-Midas. | ||
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the irish mile
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Ramiz1989
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ROFL, a literal god tasteless! | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:44 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: where the fuck is winter though it's godz he's supposed to cast with i think | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On June 06 2015 18:45 traumatism wrote: Interesting that Arteezy is going back to his "classic" Midas into BKB first build. Haven't seen that since his first year at EG. That depends on the game and how they decide to play it out, I am pretty sure that he will go for Eul or Mek if their gameplan resolves around it. | ||
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shouldbeworking
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On June 06 2015 18:45 traumatism wrote: Interesting that Arteezy is going back to his "classic" Midas into BKB first build. Haven't seen that since his first year at EG. Cause hes having a great start. Hes looking to snowball hard and seal the deal. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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arteezy definitely wouldve gone mek but naga support is a gr8 mek carrier and she got a ridiculously good start | ||
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FuzzyJAM
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On June 06 2015 18:46 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i know but im wondering where the fuck winter is T_T He has a date. Said yesterday. C9 are pretty fucked. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On June 06 2015 18:46 lolfail9001 wrote: At this rate kky will transition into radiance naga lmao im hoping to see the aghs naga for style points | ||
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lolfail9001
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On June 06 2015 18:47 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: im hoping to see the aghs naga for style points Consider he went for mek don't be surprised to see it tho lol | ||
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cravin74
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On June 06 2015 18:47 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: im hoping to see the aghs naga for style points I remember Misery transitioning from support to radiance naga in a match for Alliance but I can't remember who they played. | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:49 Spicy_Curry wrote: odpixel is not a very good solo caster yea he's 0 analysis 100% playbyplay | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On June 06 2015 18:49 cravin74 wrote: I remember Misery transitioning from support to radiance naga in a match for Alliance but I can't remember who they played. Back then every Naga transitioned into Radiance and "carry" mode if the game lasted long enough. I mean there is not really a better way to use her item slots. | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:51 Ramiz1989 wrote: Back then every Naga transitioned into Radiance and "carry" mode if the game lasted long enough. I mean there is not really a better way to use her item slots. I feel it was 'novel' because you seldom saw support naga after TI3. | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 18:51 Ramiz1989 wrote: Back then every Naga transitioned into Radiance and "carry" mode if the game lasted long enough. I mean there is not really a better way to use her item slots. in this game transitioning into a carry naga isn't a good idea since where is everybody gonna farm | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:53 cravin74 wrote: I feel it was 'novel' because you seldom saw support naga after TI3. Well, even before TI3 radiance on support naga was rare. Besides the fact that not many teams picked it even EGM usually went for items like urn/halberd | ||
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lolfail9001
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On June 06 2015 18:53 goody153 wrote: in this game transitioning into a carry naga isn't a good idea since where is everybody gonna farm Don't look at naga networth mate. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On June 06 2015 18:53 cravin74 wrote: I feel it was 'novel' because you seldom saw support naga after TI3. i dont think the 4->1 naga thing is actually that legit... most times it happened in games that were won anyway and there were a few failed attempts at it... the whole point of radiance carry naga is to hit a timing where she's six slotted before the enemy team has enough items to deal with her, anyone who's spammed carry naga will tell you that games become way harder when that progression comes 5-10 minutes later, let alone more i feel the extra slots on support naga in close games should always ideally be utility items | ||
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lolfail9001
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On June 06 2015 18:55 cravin74 wrote: EE had a single point in the doppelganger? Yes, lvl17 in. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Can't afford to have Fata and BigDaddy have a poor game if you want to beat them. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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he messed up his first 3 big moments and that was it (messed up a gank on rtz, messed up a countergank mid, and some stupid shit bot) | ||
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goody153
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i'd still rather have items that will help the highground like halberd or something | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On June 06 2015 18:57 goody153 wrote: i'd still rather have items that will help the highground like halberd or something solar crest is the new halberd (i guess zai picked it up though) | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:57 goody153 wrote: i'd still rather have items that will help the highground like halberd or something You have R button. Solar crest is actually bought. | ||
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Ingvar
Russian Federation421 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:55 FuzzyJAM wrote: Secret really are too good. Can't afford to have Fata and BigDaddy have a poor game if you want to beat them. Do you imply EE had a good game? Or that he is hopeless? | ||
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opterown
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On June 06 2015 18:49 cravin74 wrote: I remember Misery transitioning from support to radiance naga in a match for Alliance but I can't remember who they played. banana also did it against DK in some of the long DK-Newbee series last year it happens | ||
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lolfail9001
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On June 06 2015 18:58 Ingvar wrote: Do you imply EE had a good game? Or that he is hopeless? EE had decent game, if not for his fucking skill build. | ||
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Kyyuna
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EE always goes for that build when he plays PL, seriously | ||
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Ramiz1989
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Very well played and executed strategy by Secret. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
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On June 06 2015 18:56 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: bigdaddy is just not good enough on the tusk he messed up his first 3 big moments and that was it (messed up a gank on rtz, messed up a countergank mid, and some stupid shit bot) Yup. If the gank mid had been pulled off he'd have been able to move back bottom faster and all three lanes might have been won by C9. Feeding a kill to Arteezy was really where the game became impossible for Fata and 2 EZ 4 RTZ. | ||
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goody153
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i miss that shit | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:59 Elurie wrote: sonic wave too early? It looked like it was too early but it definitely did damage, I don't know how. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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i'm pretty sure my support naga record is better than my carry naga record anyway | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:59 Ramiz1989 wrote: It looked like it was too early but it definitely did damage, I don't know how. the animation is deceptive, i think its like a wave that propagates at a certain speed but persists through the entire path until the whole thing disappears actually on second thought thats pretty much what the animation implies it would do, though i feel sometimes the timing of the propagation of the actual hitbox doesn't match up completely with the animation | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:59 Ramiz1989 wrote: It looked like it was too early but it definitely did damage, I don't know how. doesn't matter when they're all dead | ||
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FuzzyJAM
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On June 06 2015 18:58 Ingvar wrote: Do you imply EE had a good game? Or that he is hopeless? EE played OK. His fuck ups came when the game was essentially over and he needed to try risky stuff to have a chance. | ||
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haduken
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this TI is for secret to lose looks like. | ||
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Azarkon
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Pretty obvious iG no longer cares. Best case study of why Chinese Dota failed these last few tournaments. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On June 06 2015 19:01 haduken wrote: holy cow... this TI is for secret to lose looks like. Secret always beats C9, this series means nothing, let's be honest. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:00 MrCon wrote: I think EE's brain can't predict more than 10 seconds in the future. And by 10 I mean 0.1 This post is pretty confusing to read lol | ||
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goody153
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quas exort invoker is a static hero anyways which EE can play | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:02 TomatoBisque wrote: Watching this I keep thinking of TI3 Alliance where they ran support Naga to just set up so that when the sleep ends you're taking a bunch of ults to the face Actually Alliance primarily used song to isolate the enemy carry when he pops BKB | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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that forced movement stun is often so much nicer than just battery assault | ||
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MrCon
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Because it was a "can" instead of "can't" before I edited =D | ||
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haduken
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On June 06 2015 19:01 Azarkon wrote: So I look at the stream list and Burning and 430 are streaming with 150k viewers each... Yea pretty obvious iG no longer cares. Best case study of why Chinese Dota failed these last few tournaments. they should retire and swim in that stream $$ and leave dota to the young boys | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:01 haduken wrote: holy cow... this TI is for secret to lose looks like. secret draw to much attention before TI.i bet all the top teams have pocket strats saved for them | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:03 shouldbeworking wrote: Fucken C9 please win the next game. RTZ ego going to destroy us all. rofl i laughed harder than i should wtf | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:01 Azarkon wrote: I look at the stream list and Burning and 430 are streaming with 150k viewers each... Yea pretty obvious iG no longer cares. Best case study of why Chinese Dota failed these last few tournaments. Chinese teams have a hard time to keep the new blood flowing into their scene. Also I wonder how many bots they have on their streams. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:03 Azimuth wrote: Actually Alliance primarily used song to isolate the enemy carry when he pops BKB Nah they did both, I recall fights where they'd song and start up a gyro ult and that shit would be dropped all over people right when song ended | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:02 haduken wrote: this is some legit music, anyone got a playlist for the marsTV music between the matches this is the interstellar trailer song | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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consequently their recent tourney games feel like "strong pub picks" without much deeper thought into it | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:04 jojos11 wrote: secret draw to much attention before TI.i bet all the top teams have pocket strats saved for them TI is about 2 months away, a lot of stuff can happen and change until then | ||
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On June 06 2015 18:59 walsh_walsh wrote: wtf even are you supposed to do against this? lightofheaven | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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it's something i thought of as a bad response to how the first game went... secret's playstyle is very hard to actually naga against imo... | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:07 RandyL wrote: this is the tourney of china falling wasn't that DAC | ||
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goody153
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On June 06 2015 19:07 RandyL wrote: this is the tourney of china falling the summit and dac started that shit | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:07 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i really really hope c9 don't do an earlypick carry naga here it's something i thought of as a bad response to how the first game went... secret's playstyle is very hard to actually naga against imo... I believe c9 always 4th pick Naga when they do. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:01 haduken wrote: holy cow... this TI is for secret to lose looks like. Don't forget Team DK. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:06 clusen wrote: TI is about 2 months away, a lot of stuff can happen and change until then Or it's S4's draftstyle, go for the same draft again and again, everyone knows it but his team masters it beyond the reach of the other teams. That's how alliance won TI. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:01 Azarkon wrote: I look at the stream list and Burning and 430 are streaming with 150k viewers each... Pretty obvious iG no longer cares. Best case study of why Chinese Dota failed these last few tournaments. lel taking chinese stream numbers at face value | ||
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lolfail9001
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2013-2014 DK looked like 2014-2015 VG for the most part tbh, and VG looks to have same problem DK did after 6.84 (6.81 in case of DK) dropped. On June 06 2015 19:09 nojok wrote: Or it's S4's draftstyle, go for the same draft again and again, everyone knows it but his team masters it beyond the reach of the other teams. That's how alliance won TI. Alliance actually had multitude of stuff to draft around. Be it wisp, furion, chen or support naga. Or even batrider. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:06 clusen wrote: TI is about 2 months away, a lot of stuff can happen and change until then Which is the problem of esports all around IMO the change of a meta/patch can make or break teams. Icefrog would had nerf Messi and ronald about 4 years ago | ||
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DK wasn't the top of the world anymore pre-TI4 .. after SL9 they were losing finals (against eg on summi1 and IG 4-1 then on some chinese tournament) | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: ig stream together and do stacked pubs consequently their recent tourney games feel like "strong pub picks" without much deeper thought into it It's not even that terrible to stream after a loss, but Burning and 430 are streaming practically every other day. I see them streaming before tournament matches, after tournament losses, during periods when they ought to be preparing, etc. No wonder iG is getting shittier by the minute. To VG's credit, I don't see them streaming a lot. But no team is capable of improving by itself. It's the entire region that has to step it up. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:10 lolfail9001 wrote: Alliance actually had multitude of stuff to draft around. Be it wisp, furion, chen or support naga. Or even batrider. so does secret... but it's still a certain core set of drafts | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:10 Faruko wrote: Which is the problem of esports all around IMO the change of a meta/patch can make or break teams. Icefrog would had nerf Messi and ronald about 4 years ago Kind of an amusing post considering sc2 fans for example complain that the game in the long run gets stale as it stabilizes around fewer strategies. I guess you can't win them all | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:12 Azarkon wrote: It's not even that terrible to stream after a loss, but Burning and 430 are streaming practically every other day. I see them streaming before tournament matches, after tournament losses, etc. No wonder iG is getting shittier by the minute. To VG's credit, I don't see them streaming a lot. But no team is capable of improving by itself. It's the entire region that has to step it up. rtz streams alot before tournament even between tournaments rofl did you also say this TI4 or pre-TI4 ? | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:12 Teoita wrote: Kind of an amusing post considering sc2 fans for example complain that the game in the long run gets stale as it stabilizes around fewer strategies. I guess you can't win them all i mean people were complaining about what 6.83 made pro games look like for quite awhile... but after a patch you're always left with the "what if" feeling of how you think the patch might've continued to evolve, even if it was evolving at a seemingly-intolerable pace | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:12 Teoita wrote: Kind of an amusing post considering sc2 fans for example complain that the game in the long run gets stale as it stabilizes around fewer strategies. I guess you can't win them all SC BW fans though would complain exactly about patches happening. It's all perspective! | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:13 Mouzone wrote: Anyone know what song is playing on stream right now? | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:15 goody153 wrote: stancel or opterown ? who's lying ? (could be the same song but too lazy to open both) we're both right the songs just changed over | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:13 goody153 wrote: rtz streams alot before tournament even between tournaments rofl did you also say this TI4 or pre-TI4 ? Does he? Because before DAC he said he was disgusted by pro players attending DAC streaming pubs before the tournament when they ought to be preparing. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:14 lolfail9001 wrote: SC BW fans though would complain exactly about patches happening. It's all perspective! bw patches were so sparse and light on balance changes that it's hard to say how people would've reacted the biggest reaction i remember is when one patch introduced random 5 ms sleeps that lagged shit up and r1ch had to make a fix with his wizardry map rotations pretty much were the balance changes effectively On June 06 2015 19:15 Azarkon wrote: Does he? Because before DAC he said he was disgusted by pro players attending DAC streaming pubs before the tournament when they ought to be preparing. yeah he consistently alternates between admonishing streamers and then hypocritically doing it, people call him out on it he's just a boy | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:15 opterown wrote: we're both right the songs just changed over damn it lol | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:15 Azarkon wrote: Does he? Because before DAC he said he was disgusted by pro players attending DAC streaming pubs before the tournament when they ought to be preparing. he does lol alot actually this past summit 3 (he streamed pre-tournament iirc he did as well mid tournament when there was no matches and he was just pubbing alone) and also redbull like the day he was supposed to fly to the lan | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:03 haduken wrote: they should retire and swim in that stream $$ and leave dota to the young boys that was the initial plan and LaNm already explained it why streaming gives more stable money to them...but seems like TI prize pool pulled them all in. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:18 Kamisamanachi wrote: that was the initial plan and LaNm already explained it why streaming gives more stable money to them...but seems like TI prize pool pulled them all in. why not do both ! | ||
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WHERE'S OUR RTZ NAGA | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: yeah he consistently alternates between admonishing streamers and then hypocritically doing it, people call him out on it he's just a boy Well, he does take his life lessons from Grey's Anatomy. Still, I think Chinese pros ought to know that their only advantage in past tournaments have been their willingness to practice harder than Western players; take that away, and what do you have? | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:20 shouldbeworking wrote: C9 going to fall for this shit again? Is Misery going to play Tusk this time ROFL Hey, maybe they will have bone7 this time. On June 06 2015 19:20 Stancel wrote: i've seen this draft before, somewhere Secret/C9 mixing up drafts? Blasphemy! | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:21 Tesgah wrote: Is Tusk first-pick material now? He's that good? 13-2 this tournament or something | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:21 Tesgah wrote: Is Tusk first-pick material now? He's that good? He is like 14-2 so far IIRC. | ||
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puppey heroes are pretty open though On June 06 2015 19:21 trinxified wrote: what is up with the tusk picks and his winrate in this tourney? why, how, what?! pros have started to realize the snowball buff was fucking stupid | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: bw patches were so sparse and light on balance changes that it's hard to say how people would've reacted the biggest reaction i remember is when one patch introduced random 5 ms sleeps that lagged shit up and r1ch had to make a fix with his wizardry map rotations pretty much were the balance changes effectively yeah he consistently alternates between admonishing streamers and then hypocritically doing it, people call him out on it he's just a boy Eh BW isnt a good example becaues it's a game from a different generation, as well as accidentally being the best game of all time I don't know of any other game that evolved as much as bw did, without any developer support | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:22 Teoita wrote: Eh BW isnt a good example becaues it's a game from a different generation, as well as accidentally being the best game of all time I don't know of any other game that evolved as much as bw did, without any developer supporttechinically we can still call the map creation as support .. i mean it revolved around maps being balanced so it's not completely just they let it play out | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:23 goody153 wrote: techinically we can still call the map creation as support blizzard didn't make the pro maps though, korean mapmakers did for the most part (and shitty wcg mapmakers with their shitty wcg maps) | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:23 goody153 wrote: techinically we can still call the map creation as support Blizzard didn't make the competitive BW maps, except Lost Temple i guess. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:24 Teoita wrote: Blizzard didn't make the competitive BW maps, except Lost Temple i guess. On June 06 2015 19:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: blizzard didn't make the pro maps though, korean mapmakers did for the most part (and shitty wcg mapmakers with their shitty wcg maps) yeah but still it isn't completely left alone .. it's still technically being balanced through maps | ||
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looks like IG's plan..i will be surprised if IG somehow comes out stronger during TI despite of all the streaming and stuff. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:25 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: ds bounty rofl the pubcombo That's what you do against Clown9. Pubcombos! | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:20 Azarkon wrote: Well, he does take his life cues from Grey's Anatomy. Regardless, I think Chinese pros ought to know that their only advantage in past tournaments have been their willingness to practice harder than Western players; take that away, and what do you have? they scrim everyday just like everybody else .. right now sure western is better but obviously china can bounce back unless you are willing to forget events like ti4 or ti2 | ||
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Will we see lvl1 doppel at lvl17 again ? | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:25 lolfail9001 wrote: That's what you do against Clown9. Pubcombos! c9 also doing some weird SB and tusk combo | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:26 CAPSLOCKED wrote: enigma gotta be tempting for secret here? That would leave them with no lane support, which is a little greedy. Though they do have strong solo laners, so maybe. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:26 CAPSLOCKED wrote: enigma gotta be tempting for secret here? that's too greedy they can't leave rtz and s4 completely alone .. BH isn't gonna cut it | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:26 goody153 wrote: they scrim everyday just like everybody else .. right now sure western is better but obviously china can bounce back unless you are willing to forget events like ti4 or ti2 only TI3 is really the only TI that people talk about because of Alliance. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:26 Faruko wrote: The real question... Will we see lvl1 doppel at lvl17 again ? You mean, will he get to lv17 this game? | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:28 Faruko wrote: ez lane stage for Secret yeah 4 melee's while SB and tusk would roam .. still how the fuck are they gonna lane without getting rekt | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:28 Faruko wrote: ez lane stage for Secret Lvl1 enfeeble bane /sarcasm | ||
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that's what i would attempt at least | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:30 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i'm pretty sure c9 intends to wreck the sf really hard that's what i would attempt at least Bad idea. Wrecking QoP would be better imo. | ||
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or can someone explain me combo in c9 draft? | ||
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who you gonna call ? | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:31 Kamisamanachi wrote: C9 are planning to win on basis of fata zeus? or can someone explain me combo in c9 draft? gank nonstop snowball with zeus fata and ee can fight early +secure lategame but they have weak lanes so idk | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:31 Stancel wrote: what just happened, i unmuted the stream after the thing happened and the chat exploded OD clicked on a strawpoii screamer in chat | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:32 roronoe wrote: c9 can potentially lose all three lanes this game c9 can potentially lose 3 lanes even if they pick 5 liches. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:33 lolfail9001 wrote: c9 can potentially lose 3 lanes even if they pick 5 liches. why not 5 enigmas? | ||
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"Good game, Well played!" | ||
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Because free mana. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:34 Ramiz1989 wrote: 3 strikes, 2 bashes. "Good game, Well played!" rtz would actually do that if that happens on pubs (the ggwp spam on pubs) | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:35 goody153 wrote: rtz would actually do that if that happens (the ggwp spam on pubs) I know, watched quite a few of NA pub matches. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:36 Snakesneaks wrote: guys it is 17 % for normal hit, it is 83 % to bash now that makes sense or it's 71% bash | ||
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It should say 71% | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:36 Kamisamanachi wrote: how the hell secret exploding early game that much? because they're not doing anything | ||
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They are outfarming C9. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:37 SupLilSon wrote: Yea anyone who plays dota knows that shit isnt 17% its clearly 71% | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:37 lolfail9001 wrote: By the way, Secret are winning anyways. Yeah I still think that after C9 goes full Clown9, Secret got this in the bag lol. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:39 goody153 wrote: that VG sigil looks hilarious VG sigil = auto win. I don't think Luo has it. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:39 Faruko wrote: Cameraman... can we see the networth please ? Just go here. http://www.trackdota.com/matches/1531306161 | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:40 Stancel wrote: 9-0 vs secret, who would've expected this Nobody, since is the most dominant team huehuehue | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:41 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Just go here. http://www.trackdota.com/matches/1531306161 thanks camera man | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:41 cecek wrote: Are the kills enough? Secret have 4 hereos farming, C9 just 2, really. Well, they are playing 4v5 since Bounty is worthless | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:41 shouldbeworking wrote: C9 still somehow losing on CS. They are fucked. Somehow? It's expected they have 3 hero farmers, melee vs dark seer and zeus vs SF | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:42 h0munkulus wrote: 9-0 but c9 only leads by ~250g at 11 minutes in the game... Yes, but that's only half the story. C9's experience has to be a lot higher than Secret's with all the kills. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:42 h0munkulus wrote: 9-0 but c9 only leads by ~250g at 11 minutes in the game... Because they are running around ganking while S4 and RTZ are farming, just like KOTL. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:44 Ramiz1989 wrote: Because they are running around ganking while S4 and RTZ are farming, just like KOTL. Kotl farms but is poorer than Bane at this point. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:44 Evander Berry Wall wrote: If C9 don't get a gold and xp lead, and don't take out any towers, they can get 100 kills and it makes no difference. i mean if they don't get those kills they autolose that's what sb/tusk are designed to do. they do not sit and farm, ever. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:44 Lancehead wrote: Yes, but that's only half the story. C9's experience has to be a lot higher than Secret's with all the kills. thought so as well, but trackdota had the exp lead at only ~800 at that time. now after that last fight, the lead for c9 has improved. At 14 min. it's now 2.5k gold and 3k exp. | ||
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> New Meta | ||
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What is wrong with you, Envy? | ||
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wow upgraded BoT 2 | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:48 kazyv wrote: well, game shows quite clearly that secrets support duo isn't quite as good as the rest of the team How exactly? When their supports can't do anything to begin with in a game like this... I can say the exact opposite for the previous game. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:50 Ramiz1989 wrote: How exactly? When their support can't do anything to begin with in a game like this... I can say the exact opposite for the previous game. puppey was farming the woods for like 10 minutes and was 2nd lowest in networth, how do you actually manage to do that? | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:50 Ramiz1989 wrote: How exactly? When their support can't do anything to begin with in a game like this... I can say the exact opposite for the previous game. It's a funny statement considering that Kuro's game was fucked by Zai, the first death made stuff really hard for him | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:50 kazyv wrote: puppey was farming the woods for like 10 minutes and was 2nd lowest in networth, how do you actually manage to do that? you have your team go 0-9 around the map? it's not like it's a low networth it's just low relative to all the gankers for that moment | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:50 kazyv wrote: puppey was farming the woods for like 10 minutes and was 2nd lowest in networth, how do you actually manage to do that? By being ganked 24/7 from Space Cow? Also he was stacking and farming a bit, a lot of his stacks went to RTZ, and net worth graph shows that as he is second very close to EE even though he died a fuckton of times. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:51 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: you have your team go 0-9 around the map? it's not like it's a low networth it's just low relative to all the gankers for that moment 2k networth 13 minutes in as a farming kotol is really bad. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:51 clusen wrote: It's a funny statement considering that Kuro's game was fucked by Zai, the first death made stuff really hard for him Exactly, I would rather shoot myself in the foot than playing BH from behind lol. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 19:51 Faruko wrote: somehow the moment EE got Boots2, c9 didnt gank anymore lol they can't, secret decided to group and secret still have a superior teamfight FUCKING ee | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 19:51 Faruko wrote: somehow the moment EE got Boots2, c9 didnt gank anymore lol secret got aegis and they kept sticking together | ||
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roronoe
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SpiritoftheTunA
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Ramiz1989
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 19:57 Ramiz1989 wrote: RTZ again at the top of Net worth... lol SF was left to catch up. SF farms quickly. Figures | ||
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roronoe
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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
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Nymzee
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On June 06 2015 19:57 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: imagine if that bots 2 was actually... not a bots 2 Literally anything else would make the life of Secret very miserable. Even a freaking Vanguard would have been better. ROFL | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
stop pls | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On June 06 2015 19:58 lolfail9001 wrote: SF was left to catch up. SF farms quickly. Figures I know that, it just shows how C9 became passive and stopped ganking and EE is sitting on almost useless BoT 2. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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Faruko
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
can't sleep on F-god | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:00 Ramiz1989 wrote: I don't really know how can you be so far in the enemy territory when you know that enemy has Spirit Breaker... s4 didn't expect there was an invi zeus next to me | ||
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Faruko
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goody153
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SpiritoftheTunA
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maybe should sleep on f-god | ||
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Ramiz1989
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:03 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Watching the net worth graph go up and down, it almost feels like Secret is cheating. C9 seems to have to do 10 x as much to get the same amount as Secret. Check Creep Stat. And track gold is ridiculous. | ||
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Fire Turtles
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roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:02 zeru wrote: people thought c9 were gonna win? lol pls I dont think anyone actually said that lol | ||
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zeru
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On June 06 2015 20:03 Evander Berry Wall wrote: Watching the net worth graph go up and down, it almost feels like Secret is cheating. C9 seems to have to do 10 x as much to get the same amount as Secret. I may be speculating but it seems like Puppey always has an understanding of maximising resources in the Dota 2 map. Na'Vi had a similiar phenomenon of pulling gold out of their heroes' asses and pulling ahead in networth in their 3 years of dominance. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:03 Ramiz1989 wrote: Ahaha that Shuriken bounce would have killed EE anyway. bonus points for a yaphets style blink raze though meanwhile z-god showing who the better offlaner is | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On June 06 2015 19:26 goody153 wrote: they scrim everyday just like everybody else .. right now sure western is better but obviously china can bounce back unless you are willing to forget events like ti4 or ti2 it's not that west is better, it's that Chinese new bloods on the whole have being ... disappointing. | ||
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shouldbeworking
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jojos11
Korea (North)314 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
That guy said that it was over since Zeus has Refresher, but he edited out his comment. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:05 shouldbeworking wrote: C9 just going to let RTZ take all the towers. Only masochist can stand being C9 fans. Draft only alllows to do that until ultra lategame anyways lmao. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:05 traumatism wrote: So those Level 2 boots... Made no difference, or game losing? No difference despite what everyone thinks. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:05 traumatism wrote: So those Level 2 boots... Made no difference, or game losing? I actually think they made very little difference. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:05 Ramiz1989 wrote: That guy said that it was over since Zeus has Refresher, but he edited out his comment. there was ? must not be a c9 fan lol | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:05 traumatism wrote: So those Level 2 boots... Made no difference, or game losing? If c9 loses i don't think it's because of the level 2 boots, but i also still think the level 2 boots were an overall mistake | ||
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Spicy_Curry
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:05 traumatism wrote: So those Level 2 boots... Made no difference, or game losing? aside from the kill bot and the threat of tping to a fight .. there wasn't the only better choice would have probably been yasha since they did not fight for a long while anyways | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:07 Spicy_Curry wrote: well you have to think that bots 2 doesnt increase pl's farm speed more than a yasha/diffusal Farm speed is fairly irrelevant when you can't fight and get it forced on you. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Evander Berry Wall
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
not only made ee be 2000 gold behind, they have been giving track kills for Secret. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:04 traumatism wrote: I may be speculating but it seems like Puppey always has an understanding of maximising resources in the Dota 2 map. Na'Vi had a similiar phenomenon of pulling gold out of their heroes' asses and pulling ahead in networth in their 3 years of dominance. this is all bullshit and it's 100% the drafts playing themselves out | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:07 goody153 wrote: aside from the kill bot and the threat of tping to a fight .. there wasn't the only better choice would have probably been yasha since they did not fight for a long while anyways Just right now I would say its game losing. They couldn't push their small advantage and now EE is using it to feed. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
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traumatism
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roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:09 Surprise.820 wrote: 2000g no difference lads. No difference absolutely. Buy any other 2000 gold item instead and same thing happens. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:09 Azarkon wrote: Same as the series vs. Ehome. Secret just so hard to beat even when they're behind. Of course, it helps that these two teams are both not that great at late game. secret was never behind, idk what you're talking about c9 needed to somehow take a rax before 30 to be ahead with their draft | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:08 Faruko wrote: BoT2 were definetely game losing not only made ee be 2000 gold behind, they have been giving track kills for Secret. it wasn't just EE though who was giving kills .. it wasn't due to BoT2 after the roshan c9 stopped being aggressive and just got picked off all over the map On June 06 2015 20:10 lolfail9001 wrote: No difference absolutely. Buy any other 2000 gold item instead and same thing happens. well if it was yasha the farm would have been faster and the bottom kill wouldn't happen outside that same shit | ||
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lolfail9001
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TomatoBisque
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SpiritoftheTunA
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not that there's much hope even with a bkb | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:10 lolfail9001 wrote: Lmao octarine Dark seer. Octcore negates all those Darkseer nerfs to vacuum ROFL GG classic clown9 game again. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On June 06 2015 20:12 traumatism wrote: Man if Secret can still win with this kind of start... yea okay you don't understand how hero picks at all it's ok just refrain from commenting as if you do | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: secret was never behind, idk what you're talking about c9 needed to somehow take a rax before 30 to be ahead with their draft They were 6-22 at one stage. Yes, C9 needed to keep the momentum up to win with their draft - and they were doing it. Of course, Secret was never that behind because they didn't break down just because they lost a few team fights. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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ramon
Germany4842 Posts
i think maybe fata should have secured less or built differently? same can be said for that ee built and sb midas the more i think about it the less i like c9's mid-lategame plan | ||
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Unleashing
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secret just too good for c9 | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
Poll: Head? Vici Gaming (31) Cloud 9 (13) 44 total votes Your vote: Head? Poll: Heart? Cloud 9 (24) Vici Gaming (19) 43 total votes Your vote: Heart? Poll: Head? Team Secret (43) Team Empire (14) 57 total votes Your vote: Head? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:13 Azarkon wrote: They were 6-22 at one stage. Yes, C9 needed to keep the momentum up to win with their draft - and they were doing it. Of course, Secret was never that behind because they didn't break down just because they lost a few team fights. 6-22 and gold difference was 1k | ||
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Jayme
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:14 Snakesneaks wrote: could only imagine if that is skadi instead of bot2 Wait a minute, since when skadi costs 4000 gold? | ||
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kazyv
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On June 06 2015 20:07 lolfail9001 wrote: Farm speed is fairly irrelevant when you can't fight and get it forced on you. farmspeed is exaclty what matters in this situation, if you can't fight you need to farm until you can | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:13 Azarkon wrote: They were 6-22 at one stage. Yes, C9 needed to keep the momentum up to win with their draft - and they were doing it. Of course, Secret was never that behind because they didn't break down just because they lost a few team fights. c9's networth/exp lead peaked roughly at 3k 20 minutes in, that's not really a lead... it's actually a deficit with tusk/sb/bane on one side | ||
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jojos11
Korea (North)314 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:14 traumatism wrote: Why can't my 0 stun pub lineups go like this? Your 0 stun pub line-ups suck at grouping as 5 with good damage in teamfights? | ||
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France29748 Posts
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Ingvar
Russian Federation421 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:13 Azarkon wrote: They were 6-22 at one stage. Yes, C9 needed to keep the momentum up to win with their draft - and they were doing it. Of course, Secret was never that behind because they didn't break down just because they lost a few team fights. 6-22 with nothing more than like a 2k networth lead... 6-22 was a very misleading stat because with C9's draft having only 2-3k lead at that point is just nowhere near enough. | ||
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
Edit: accidentally posted empty-.- Exactly, they were never that behind, they kept up with the farm. The jungle Kotl worked out really well. And I think the Bot2 was huge missplay, even if you manage to tp in for every kill it barely beats a simple bot and other farming item, and it delays your progression into mid/late game. It basically gave up the momentum that the early game kills gave them | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
It was 3-4k at one stage, and yes, that's a testament to how well Secret plays even when dying all around the map. Put another team in their place and watch them fail in the same situation because they group up and crumble. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Lancehead
Canada123 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:15 jojos11 wrote: fun fact: C9 biggest lead was like 3k gold this game while leading with 14 kills How does that even happen? Did Secret just farm like crazy and buy out every time they get ganked? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:16 Azarkon wrote: It was 3-4k at one stage, and yes, that's a testament to how well Secret plays even when dying all around the map. Put another team in their place and watch them fail in the same situation because they group up and crumble. I mean, when one side was feeding, other 2 were farming away, so yeah, Secret is no C9 when it comes to composure and we know that already anyways. | ||
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roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:16 Lancehead wrote: How does that even happen? Did Secret just farm like crazy and buy out every time they get ganked? if you saw the lasthits chart at 15 minutes it would've been obvious kotl pretty mcuh started jungling at level 2 or 3 or so and ds outfarmed pl; meanwhile sb (the ds counterpart) had 3 last hits and there was no equivalent farmer between the tusk/bane (as opposed to the jungling kotl, who, while behind bane in networth slightly for a bit, didn't fall far behind) | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:16 Lancehead wrote: How does that even happen? Did Secret just farm like crazy and buy out every time they get ganked? Much more dedicated farming, more farming efficiency, the enormous benefit of Track gold, and the fact that C9 actually never established much of a tower lead (their biggest mistake might relate to that point). | ||
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Korea (North)314 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
That took a lot of skill. A lesser team with the same draft in the same situation crumbles. | ||
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Philippines179 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:20 Azarkon wrote: You guys still act as though it took no skill to survive that sort of draft. Yes, they were farming, but C9 at one stage had complete map control and Secret was not able to take a fight. S4 was dying every minute. Arteezy every two minutes. Only Zai had the ability to turn fights. That took a lot of skill. A lesser team with the same draft in the same situation crumbles. Complete map control matters against split pushing. If team just groups up as 5 and takes objectives, map control is useless. I mean, it's WP by Secret without a doubt (outside of that moment with 3 whiffed ults), but come on. I mean, Arteezy after his initial deaths was completely left alone to farm everything including towers. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
And if you really have to draft this kind of line up gyro is like 50x better than pl at team fighting and sieging. What a waste of time. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Complete map control matters against split pushing. If team just groups up as 5 and takes objectives, map control is useless. I mean, it's WP by Secret without a doubt (outside of that moment with 3 whiffed ults), but come on. I mean, Arteezy after his initial deaths was completely left alone to farm everything including towers. What I find impressive about Secret is that their line up was obviously a five man line-up, yet they split pushed knowing they were going to give up kills to a mobile gank line up because that was the only way to keep up on farm and exp after the initial shitty start. Had they grouped up and tried to take five man fights before they were ready, C9 destroys them. Only by dragging the game past 20-25 minutes were they able to make those comeback fights with their full line up online. The patience, the ability to not panic even when they were behind by over 15 kills, and being able to read the situation exactly - ie knowing the timings, is what makes this team the best at the moment. | ||
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jojos11
Korea (North)314 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:26 Azarkon wrote: What I find impressive about Secret is that their line up was obviously a five man line-up, yet they split pushed knowing they were going to give up kills to a mobile gank line up because that was the only way to keep up on farm and exp after the initial shitty start. Had they grouped up and tried to take five man fights before they were ready, C9 destroys them. Only by dragging the game past 20-25 minutes were they able to make those comeback fights with their full line up online. The patience, the ability to not panic even when they were behind by over 15 kills, and being able to read the situation exactly - ie not allowing the score to get into their head, is what makes this team the best at the moment. Composure is good, no doubt. But once again, come on, how the fuck would C9 even end game at 20-25 minute mark? They have shit ability to get objectives after all. In the end, in hindsight, game would likely be more C9 favored if they picked pugna or something instead of Pl. | ||
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:26 jojos11 wrote: switch their draft,C9 probably GG 15-20min in Nah s4 would never draft something like that, plus kky and ppy are much better at playing defensive supports than balls to the wall style. Misery and n0tail are like the exact antithesis of that, when they play defensively they make to many mistakes. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:26 jojos11 wrote: switch their draft,C9 probably GG 15-20min in Well that would emply an EE QoP so maybe. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
bit cocky with the BoT and upgrade despite the momentum lead they had imo. it was actually frustrating to watch as a secret fan until the late midgame because they could find nothing. there were even darkseer, QoP ults whiffing and finding nothing which forced secret to play from deficit around the map. they fully well knew that stacking heroes in lanes for kills means that farm is washing up against towers or isn't being distributed very efficiently. sure looked fun though. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:27 lolfail9001 wrote: Composure is good, no doubt. But once again, come on, how the fuck would C9 even end game at 20-25 minute mark? They have shit ability to get objectives after all. In the end, in hindsight, game would likely be more C9 favored if they picked pugna or something instead of Pl. PL is one of EE's favorite heroes and it is not a bad hero against Secret's draft. It doesn't push the best but C9's draft was not designed for pushing. It was designed for ganking and fighting, creating chaos and allowing EE to carry later on. PL does beat all of Secret's cores in the late game when backed up by a Refresher Aghs Zeus. That's how C9 thinks. Drafting a Pugna basically forces them to push and I don't think this line up was designed to do that. Why pick Tuskar and SB to push? | ||
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Bulgaria516 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:32 OzVelas wrote: maybe it's time to let fata or misery taking the role of drafter can't be worst than ee/bone7 They made the semifinals,it's still kinda okay. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:30 Azarkon wrote: PL is one of EE's favorite heroes and it is not a bad hero against Secret's draft. It doesn't push the best but C9's draft was not designed for pushing. It was designed for ganking and fighting, creating chaos and allowing EE to carry later on. PL does beat all of Secret's cores in the late game when backed up by a Refresher Aghs Zeus. That's how C9 thinks. Drafting a Pugna basically forces them to push and I don't think this line up was designed to do that. Why pick Tuskar and SB to push? Hence i said pugna or something. They needed something that can actually do shit in midgame teamfights and get or at least trade objectives quickly. | ||
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jojos11
Korea (North)314 Posts
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Lancehead
Canada123 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:30 Azarkon wrote: PL is one of EE's favorite heroes and it is not a bad hero against Secret's draft. It doesn't push the best but C9's draft was not designed for pushing. It was designed for ganking and fighting, creating chaos and allowing EE to carry later on. PL does beat all of Secret's cores in the late game when backed up by a Refresher Aghs Zeus. That's how C9 thinks. Drafting a Pugna basically forces them to push and I don't think this line up was designed to do that. Why pick Tuskar and SB to push? I think the issue is that you don't want to take SB, Tusk, and Bane into the late game, even with a farmed PL and Zeus. They're just too single target oriented and can't teamfight. C9's ability to find pick offs were mostly due to the Tusk/SB/Zeus. In hindsight, they would have been better off picking a carry that could transition those early ganks into objectives and snowball from there. On June 06 2015 20:32 OzVelas wrote: maybe it's time to let fata or misery taking the role of drafter can't be worst than ee/bone7 I wonder if C9 have considered switching drafters between or even mid-series. Bone and Envy obviously have very different styles of drafting and the rest of the squad all have very different perspectives on the game. They could catch other teams off guard if they change things up every now and then and prevent other teams from preparing against them. Wonder if that would be feasible. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:22 braincandy wrote: C9 fans. give up on this team. they're just breaking your hearts. lol if i want a team just because they win i'd be rooting at secret/eg .. i root for a team because i like their playstyle/persona/whatever not cause they are winning On June 06 2015 20:41 lolfail9001 wrote: Finals are Bo5, right? I am just curious if Secret will manage to have flawless tourney. i predict a 3-2 or 3-1 in favor of secret | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:32 OzVelas wrote: maybe it's time to let fata or misery taking the role of drafter can't be worst than ee/bone7 Pretty sure if they thought Fata or Misery could do the best job they would be drafting instead of bone7 now. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
cheers for that. | ||
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sweetkay
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:22 braincandy wrote: C9 fans. give up on this team. they're just breaking your hearts. lol No. I'm pretty fine, thank you | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 21:27 sweetkay wrote: EE can swap out as many players as he wants. Change to any drafter he wants. It won't fix the fundamental problem that Cloud 9 has which is EE himself. i'm sure you don't understand why ee is core of c9 like every c9 member is saying in the past cause you are too fixated on the bandwagon hate you jumped on just because everybody from reddit upvotes it without EE it's just another mouz or whatever destined to fall .. you probably don't even know that EE makes the important/big calls why c9 actually seals games and maintained it's position as a top team for a long time | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 06 2015 21:37 goody153 wrote: i'm sure you don't understand why ee is core of c9 like every c9 member is saying in the past cause you are too fixated on the bandwagon hate you jumped on just because everybody from reddit upvotes it without EE it's just another mouz or whatever destined to fall .. you probably don't even know that EE makes the important/big calls why c9 actually seals games and maintained it's position as a top team for a long time This...whatever the case,EE is heart and soul of that team and pillar that still bounds that team from roots..without EE,c9 will just crumble like another tier 2 team | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Of course this drafting angle alone is a bit different now as the team is trying out a different drafter, but still as a whole it's impossible to say from the outside how exactly each team works and what different people contribute. Also this was the first LAN that bone7 was drafting in, so it is interesting to see how things will go in the next tournaments. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11060 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:38 StarVe wrote: They made the semifinals,it's still kinda okay. Not if you want to win something | ||
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goody153
44191 Posts
1st place or nothing mate | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34493 Posts
Are the Secret C9 games worth watching? | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34493 Posts
On June 07 2015 00:17 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: the second one was pretty entertaining Why the fuck does EE have BoTs upgraded first of all I don't understand | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On June 07 2015 00:50 Firebolt145 wrote: BecauseWhy the fuck does EE have BoTs upgraded first of all I don't understand ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VilZnL8.png) | ||
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Elurie
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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Lancehead
Canada123 Posts
On June 07 2015 00:50 Firebolt145 wrote: Why the fuck does EE have BoTs upgraded first of all I don't understand People forget teams don't get to play with net worth and exp graphs available. Envy probably thought they were much farther ahead than they actually were considering the lopsided kill score. Obviously he thought he could get away with it but he was wrong. As for why, I guess the idea was to tp onto a charging spirit breaker for 2 man ganks. Didn't work out once Secret started grouping up and C9 stopped finding pick offs. | ||
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