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shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
June 06 2015 08:23 GMT
#381
I wouldn't be sure about Korea not becoming a force in Dota. If it becomes more and more lucrative than for sure that will get some interest. It's just that I heard LoL teams have pretty damn good salaries over there. You don't have to win big tournaments only to survive.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
June 06 2015 08:23 GMT
#382
doesn't riot host their tournaments at a loss? gonna need some source on like the revenue claims of riothats vs valvehats
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 06 2015 08:24 GMT
#383
On June 06 2015 17:10 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 17:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On June 06 2015 17:07 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
No fucking way EG is top3 world now.

i think EG is pretty hard to read because they tend to look generally weak except in extended tournaments where they get stronger and stronger, sometimes strong enough to take a top spot, sometimes not

feels like they could get top 3 at TI5 but also feels like they could be like 8th or lower


Yeah, it kinda depends which EG turns up. They kinda tilt often as well.

Not...really?

I mean, they've got like an 80% rate of reaching LAN finals and like a 95% rate of being top 4 in every tournament they've signed up for.

If that's tilting often, I'm pretty sure every team that's around wishes they could tilt like them.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 08:26:16
June 06 2015 08:25 GMT
#384
I heard even if there was an interest for teams like SKT to want to make a DotA team (there probably isn't), there is a Kespa-Riot Korea imposed restriction them from making one.
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
June 06 2015 08:26 GMT
#385
wow..lol..this thread is now discussing koreans future into dota after a chinese team lost to european team...rofl..
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 06 2015 08:26 GMT
#386
On June 06 2015 17:23 shouldbeworking wrote:
I wouldn't be sure about Korea not becoming a force in Dota. If it becomes more and more lucrative than for sure that will get some interest. It's just that I heard LoL teams have pretty damn good salaries over there. You don't have to win big tournaments only to survive.

china has stolen a good amount of korean talent with their salaries already though
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
June 06 2015 08:26 GMT
#387
On June 06 2015 17:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 17:16 Azarkon wrote:
On June 06 2015 17:12 Evander Berry Wall wrote:
People really love to over-analyze the nature of the teams and attribute all kinds of intricate special properties to them that no one has actually ever provided evidence of.

Anyhow, I guess I'm going to stick with 6.84 answer for VG, because it remains the only thing I have.


VG gained this reputation in 6.83 in the finals vs. EG. They reinforced it in the Bo5 vs. Empire at D2CL. They reinforced it again vs. EG at BTS 3. And again in the I-League finals vs. LGD. And again today.

I think the only finals they've won in the last, what, six months, has been that SL 12 series vs. iG.

5/6 tournaments, VG does this, it becomes not just an over-analysis, but a decent theory.

Short List of completed LAN tournaments between DAC and 6.84 dropping:

1. StarLadder 12

2. VGP League or something (had LAN final for sure even though i think rest was online play).

So, they have won 2/2 LANs they have participated in after obtaining Hao until 6.84 happened. Problems?


VGP was weak competition. SL 12 does count and at the time a lot of people did think VG had overcome their issues. But then we had D2CL, BTS 3, I-League finals, and MarsTV all in a row, so...

And the way VG loses. It's not just that they get smashed in tournaments and that's it. They actually do pretty well in the early stages. Especially in Bo1s. They play top tier Dota and don't throw games. Icex3 is a god. Super performs well. Etc.

It's whenever they get pressured by top tier teams in BoXs that you see this behavior, this constant throwing, constant mistakes, constant.bad play by Super and Icex3, and so on. VG didn't gain this reputation just because they lose, but also because of the way they lose.
Evander Berry Wall
Profile Joined June 2014
United States1137 Posts
June 06 2015 08:26 GMT
#388
On June 06 2015 17:26 Kamisamanachi wrote:
wow..lol..this thread is now discussing koreans future into dota after a chinese team lost to european team...rofl..


Folks here have revolutionized the art of getting ahead of themselves.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
June 06 2015 08:27 GMT
#389
On June 06 2015 17:26 Kamisamanachi wrote:
wow..lol..this thread is now discussing koreans future into dota after a chinese team lost to european team...rofl..

This is more related to A-God's hype for Koreans. If you kept track of the conversation you'd know how it derailed there.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
June 06 2015 08:28 GMT
#390
On June 06 2015 17:27 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 17:26 Kamisamanachi wrote:
wow..lol..this thread is now discussing koreans future into dota after a chinese team lost to european team...rofl..

This is more related to A-God's hype for Koreans. If you kept track of the conversation you'd know how it derailed there.

At this rate i get confused between A-God and A-god.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 06 2015 08:29 GMT
#391
there is only one true A-god and he's in this thread right now
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 06 2015 08:30 GMT
#392
Wow, Empire really did it. I love it when supporting a team actually pays off. Thanks for making me happy!

Also would you kindly wait a bit before calling the finals over because "Empire can't beat Western teams". They've actually been a clutch Team on LAN and haven't faced many Western teams. Last time I can remember they crushed EG.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 06 2015 08:32 GMT
#393
On June 06 2015 17:30 StarVe wrote:
Wow, Empire really did it. I love it when supporting a team actually pays off. Thanks for making me happy!

Also would you kindly wait a bit before calling the finals over because "Empire can't beat Western teams". They've actually been a clutch Team on LAN and haven't faced many Western teams. Last time I can remember they crushed EG.

Went 2-1 vs EG, iirc. Wasn't really a crushing. Unless there was something other than MLG that I forgot.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
June 06 2015 08:33 GMT
#394
this is the first year that navi hasnt completely fucked empire

thank god
High Risk Low Reward
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44192 Posts
June 06 2015 08:33 GMT
#395
On June 06 2015 17:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 17:30 StarVe wrote:
Wow, Empire really did it. I love it when supporting a team actually pays off. Thanks for making me happy!

Also would you kindly wait a bit before calling the finals over because "Empire can't beat Western teams". They've actually been a clutch Team on LAN and haven't faced many Western teams. Last time I can remember they crushed EG.

Went 2-1 vs EG, iirc. Wasn't really a crushing. Unless there was something other than MLG that I forgot.

there was SL12 or SL11 against VP where they won 3-1 i thiink but that's against VP .. not secret not eg not their worst enemy c9
this is a quote
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 08:34:17
June 06 2015 08:33 GMT
#396
On June 06 2015 17:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 17:30 StarVe wrote:
Wow, Empire really did it. I love it when supporting a team actually pays off. Thanks for making me happy!

Also would you kindly wait a bit before calling the finals over because "Empire can't beat Western teams". They've actually been a clutch Team on LAN and haven't faced many Western teams. Last time I can remember they crushed EG.

Went 2-1 vs EG, iirc. Wasn't really a crushing. Unless there was something other than MLG that I forgot.

By the way, Empire being in finals secures Secret taking another spot in finals because C9 can't get to finals since they can't win AND can't lose to empire.
On June 06 2015 17:33 Spicy_Curry wrote:
this is the first year that navi hasnt completely fucked empire

thank god

Obligatory reminder that Empire was not touched last year until TI4 was pretty much over.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 08:34:33
June 06 2015 08:33 GMT
#397
On June 06 2015 17:29 opterown wrote:
there is only one true A-god and he's in this thread right now


lol this azarkon guy was also trolling in gosu forums..But the difference in here and there is the other trolls over there counter trolled him most of the time soo hard that this nerd just becomes silent. A-God? feels more like A-Dog after reading his next level analysis here..
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 06 2015 08:34 GMT
#398
On June 06 2015 17:33 Spicy_Curry wrote:
this is the first year that navi hasnt completely fucked empire

thank god

Good thing TI5 rosters are locked in, because these Empire players sure look good for headhunting.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 06 2015 08:34 GMT
#399
On June 06 2015 17:33 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 17:29 opterown wrote:
there is only one true A-god and he's in this thread right now


lol this azarkon guy was also trolling in gosu forums..But the difference in here and there is the other trolls over there counter trolled him most of the time soo hard that this nerd just becomes silent. A-God? feels more like A-Dog after reading his next level analysis here..

So you're saying we need to rotate better?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
June 06 2015 08:35 GMT
#400
On June 06 2015 17:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 17:33 Spicy_Curry wrote:
this is the first year that navi hasnt completely fucked empire

thank god

Good thing TI5 rosters are locked in, because these Empire players sure look good for headhunting.


i hope they also stick together after TI5 ,as majors will not be too far
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
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