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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
I don't think you will see RTZ play Nyx over S4 anytime soon. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On February 26 2015 06:17 Kipsate wrote: alternatively some players aren't neccesarily better at certain lanes or roles, they are better at certain heroes I don't think you will see RTZ play Nyx over S4 anytime soon. Its pretty much this - they put the player on the hero that they are best at rather than the role, with exception of supports pretty much. Most good teams do this at this point. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On February 26 2015 06:10 Jaaaaasper wrote: Man this thread is getting really bad even by lr thread standards. RTZ is a above average carry player, but hes one of the two or three best mids in the world. s4 is a top 10 mid in the world, but rtz is straight up better. The position 1 mid is at least as common as safe lane carriers, if not more so, and someone saying that c9 is the only team that runs it is just as ignorant as saying its the most common set up. Drafting to the strengths of one of the best players in the world is not the same as drafting around his weaknesses, even more so when those weaknesses are figments of someones imagination. Secret would have taken just Zai yes, but no one in their right mind thinks that getting RTZ to play mid is a bad thing. Mostly I don't disagree with this. Where I have a major disagreement is assessing RTZ over S4 as mids when they play the position differently. Not sure if everyone will agree with this but I would say RTZ is obviously the better farming mid (arguably the best in the world, excluding certain heroes) but S4 is the better space/utility mid. I don't think the difference between RTZ's Puck and S4's is substantively different than the difference between their Shadowfiends, for example. So I don't think RTZ playing mid is a bad thing. But I don't think it's as good a thing as allowing S4 to continue to do what he has dominated at for years and Arteezy becoming more reliable at safelane. There's nothing even remotely new about the 1/2 changing lanes depending on the draft. There's nothing bad or wrong about that even remotely. But it doesn't appear they can make S4 playing his usual mids while Arteezy plays safelane carries work, so they are overwhelmingly playing Arteezy farming mid and S4 on pos 2 from safelane. Which is totally fine even when it's common. But right now it's looking like it's all they can do on a regular basis. I was on the other side during DAC saying they were only doing it that way because no one had forced them not to. There was plenty of evidence they had tried alternatives. There's also plenty of evidence that they were unsatisfied with how those alternatives worked. Which is sad, because I do believe Arteezy is one of the best players in the world. I certainly think he is capable of playing a world-class safelane carry. I was even excited about seeing him do it. But he's not doing it. And that narrows Puppey's drafts and strategic options, and I don't like that. @crms: I think it's pretty clear throughout RTZ came in to play 1 pos, regardless of lane. I don't think anyone is debating that. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On February 26 2015 06:17 Kipsate wrote: alternatively some players aren't neccesarily better at certain lanes or roles, they are better at certain heroes I don't think you will see RTZ play Nyx over S4 anytime soon. okay but when ur nyx is safelane because ur artour wants mid that does say somethign | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On February 26 2015 06:43 Sn0_Man wrote: okay but when ur nyx is safelane because ur artour wants mid that does say somethign it says that secret (ppy) thinks that's the best way to win the dota game, not that artour wants mid so everyone else will suffer. I can't imagine personalities like ppy, kky or s4 being intimidated or bullied into drafting less efficient lineups to placate artour. I don't know them personally though so it's all speculation heuehuie. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On February 26 2015 07:02 crms wrote: it says that secret (ppy) thinks that's the best way to win the dota game, not that artour wants mid so everyone else will suffer. I can't imagine personalities like ppy, kky or s4 being intimidated or bullied into drafting less efficient lineups to placate artour. I don't know them personally though so it's all speculation heuehuie. Hm, no, I don't think it's like that. Definitely I think Puppey is doing what he thinks gives them the best chance at victory, all factors taken into consideration. But I mean EE said RTZ is basically co-captain so who knows :D | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On February 26 2015 07:05 FHDH wrote: Hm, no, I don't think it's like that. Definitely I think Puppey is doing what he thinks gives them the best chance at victory, all factors taken into consideration. But I mean EE said RTZ is basically co-captain so who knows :D thats so not how ppy-lead doto teams work | ||
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goody153
44132 Posts
now for a real test for NIP if they can beat C9 convincingly(i think they can ) and show that they aren't just good against non-top western dogs | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
E: damn it goody i type too slow | ||
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goody153
44132 Posts
hmm i like NIP draft this game less punishable and it fits their style ..(NIP going CIS mode again) | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On February 27 2015 02:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I feel like this is a biiiiig game for NiP. If they can establish a track record of defeating at least C9 in sizeable tournaments then that brings them to the forefront of the TI discussion. E: damn it goody i type too slow for the record, I think the most likely result is a 1-1 | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
NiP really lack ways to punish a repelrider initiation though | ||
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goody153
44132 Posts
On February 27 2015 02:15 Elyvilon wrote: for the record, I think the most likely result is a 1-1 well if they can 2-0 that just make them legit strong | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On February 27 2015 02:17 FHDH wrote: Side question for people who follow esports more broadly: if NiP do go to TI what kind of crossover fans will they attract based on organization? based on organization? NiP has/had good CS:GO team IIRC | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
there are NiP buses and chocolate bars in sweden but they are heavily based off of the star power of Get_Right and F0rest to my knowledge Era +4 don't have that instant recognizability (yet). | ||
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