EPTfarming mids have been in the meta for like one and a hlaf years wtf are you complaining about
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andyrau
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farming mids have been in the meta for like one and a hlaf years wtf are you complaining about | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
It wasn't good enough. That's why he's back mid. Not because two teenagers said they are better than S4. S4's midlaning on Secret was unimpeachable. And yeah I'd classify Kuroky carry as roughly EE status. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On February 26 2015 04:55 FHDH wrote: RTZ was explicitly practicing safelane carries in preparation for his move to Secret. It wasn't good enough. That's why he's back mid. Not because two teenagers said they are better than S4. S4's midlaning on Secret was unimpeachable. And yeah I'd classify Kuroky carry as roughly EE status. Hard to say - RTZ has a better SF than s4 - s4 wasn't really known for his SF. nevermind from reading your other posts you have no idea what you are talking about | ||
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blobrus
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On February 26 2015 04:51 goody153 wrote: I have a hunch why rtz and s4 exchanged lanes. Rtz has mentioned that he can beat s4 in lane and s4 is not the best mid in the world but he up their(while he thinks ferrari is a god). Suma1l also said that he is better than s4. I think the reason is s4 is not a great laner. I've seen him lose mid alot(alliance after TI3 ). Just purely speculation though. He was shut down because teams understood that focusing s4 during the laning phase was the key to beat alliance. He's a great laner and he's the best on playmakers imo. Mechanically speaking, he won his fair share of 1v1 mid tournaments but that's not really what dota is about. | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
On February 26 2015 04:55 FHDH wrote: RTZ was explicitly practicing safelane carries in preparation for his move to Secret. It wasn't good enough. That's why he's back mid. Not because two teenagers said they are better than S4. S4's midlaning on Secret was unimpeachable. And yeah I'd classify Kuroky carry as roughly EE status. uhh you're pulling this 'he's not good enough so team internally decides to put him mid on mid-specific heroes' logic out from nowhere? i mean im pretty sure you can carry a game from mid and you can also play mid heroes on the mid lane so your complaints are still unfounded | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On February 26 2015 04:56 Comeh wrote: pimpmuckl or whatever is an awful caster. Hard to say - RTZ has a better SF than s4 - s4 wasn't really known for his SF. nevermind from reading your other posts you have no idea what you are talking about Cool thank you for your contribution. On February 26 2015 04:58 blobrus wrote: I mean Arteezy's the best mid in the west so I don't really understand these complaints. The complaint is that while, as pointed out above, mid position 1 has been in the meta for some time, this is no longer that meta. Hell that centered around Arteezy in the first place. Now he's been brought on to Secret - a team that didn't need him and would have taken Zai without him given the choice - and the team has to move two players instead of one because he can't be relied on to play safelane carries. Meanwhile S4, who is not measurably worse than Arteezy as a mid even if he does not play the 1 pos mid as well as he does, is no longer playing a position he's been respected for around the world for years, and Secret has to draft position 1 mids. Not because it's what's best right now, but because it's what they can make work. It hurt them in China and here they are playing again and it's the same shit. Well they won, hooray, but SF spam is SF spam. It's not gonna win a lot of championships. On February 26 2015 05:04 andyrau wrote: uhh you're pulling this 'he's not good enough so team internally decides to put him mid on mid-specific heroes' logic out from nowhere? i mean im pretty sure you can carry a game from mid and you can also play mid heroes on the mid lane so your complaints are still unfounded Not sure how you came to your premise or conclusion. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On February 26 2015 05:08 SKC wrote: mid position 1 is still very much in the meta. It's not just in Secret that you see all those Snipers and SFs It's not gone, no, just like safelane 1 wasn't gone when mid 1 was big. But what other top team is doing it almost every game? I mean y'all can disagree that it's a problem all you want. I reserve the right to be irritated by the facts of the matter, which are that since Arteezy came to Secret they've been forced to draft mid carries primarily. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On February 26 2015 05:11 FHDH wrote: It's not gone, no, just like safelane 1 wasn't gone when mid 1 was big. But what other top team is doing it almost every game? I mean y'all can disagree that it's a problem all you want. I reserve the right to be irritated by the facts of the matter, which are that since Arteezy came to Secret they've been forced to draft mid carries primarily. I mean, you mean ever since Rtz came Puppey been only drafting SF and Lycan less so? | ||
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goody153
44132 Posts
On February 26 2015 04:46 FHDH wrote: OK that's 1.5 players, one of whom is his new captain the other being his BFF. Sorry but every time I see repeated as fact something for which the primary source is EE I'm going to question it. And yes, Arteezy joined a team with a world class mid and a world class carry. That carry is now playing support and that mid is now playing safelane while Arteezy plays 1 pos mid the overwhelming majority of the time. And it's certainly not "their drafting style" - they played Kuroky as hard carry from safelane most of the time before. This is how their drafts have adjusted to #1 Dota2 Player Artour Babaev. That's not true. Kuroky played a lot of mid. (ember/pa/morphling/tiny). I have the impression that you hate rtz since he replaced kky (and cause you love na'vi obviously). Like most of the time what i hear from you is that majority of the time you imply that dendi is still like top 3 mid of the world and nothing has changed that there aren't actually other players who are really good and are better than dendi. On February 26 2015 04:55 FHDH wrote: RTZ was explicitly practicing safelane carries in preparation for his move to Secret. It wasn't good enough. That's why he's back mid. Not because two teenagers said they are better than S4. S4's midlaning on Secret was unimpeachable. And yeah I'd classify Kuroky carry as roughly EE status. Mid is harder than safelaning. Safelaning usually means you just hit creeps freely for the first 10 minutes unless you are aggro trilaning or against a strong aggressive trilane or just a strong lane in general Andyrau is right nothing is wrong with farming mid and it's actually harder than safelaning. You can be a safelane but not necessarily play midlane while you can be a coreplayer and you can usually be able to play safelane. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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goody153
44132 Posts
On February 26 2015 05:15 Thetwinmasters wrote: Oh god what a fail chase that was not worth the time of sf rtz please | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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goody153
44132 Posts
On February 26 2015 05:17 lolfail9001 wrote: So... you are telling me kuroky is a good lion? to be fair it's against clockwork .. clock can usually kill most supports solo and s4 is feed too so it's ok :D | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
On February 26 2015 05:17 lolfail9001 wrote: So... you are telling me kuroky is a good lion? Because the internet in my hotel right now is crap, I don't know if this is sarcastic, but: Yes, it is! Was there not a game at DAC, where he played a Lion with a 12min Blink dagger!? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On February 26 2015 05:20 Geisterkarle wrote: Because the internet in my hotel right now is crap, I don't know if this is sarcastic, but: Yes, it is! Was there not a game at DAC, where he played a Lion with a 12min Blink dagger!? Nah, i mean i wrote that after kuroky went under dire t1 to harass clockwork, got caught in cogs and died | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On February 26 2015 05:12 goody153 wrote: eh, mid 1 position is still super common. That's not true. Kuroky played a lot of mid. (ember/pa/morphling/tiny). Ah yes, I remember where I said "no one else puts their pos 1 mid and Secret never did it before Arteezy arrived." I have the impression that you hate rtz since he replaced kky (and cause you love na'vi obviously). Like most of the time what i hear from you is that majority of the time you imply that dendi is still like top 3 mid of the world and nothing has changed that there aren't actually other players who are really good and are better than dendi. This has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. Kuroky had some great play at carry but anyone could see there were issues there. I feel bad he had to move as I think they could have been sorted out, but when he was forced to move I was fine with it - but I thought it would be for someone who was going to play more than three heroes for the team. He has disappointed me (and many fans of the team) while never stopping with the running of his mouth. Meanwhile don't forget the team had to give up BDN for this trade. So they displaced their carry, adjusted their drafting style to mid carry, lost a world-class support, and sent a world-class mid to the safelane. Mid is harder than safelaning. Safelaning usually means you just hit creeps freely for the first 10 minutes unless you are aggro trilaning or against a strong aggressive trilane or just a strong lane in general Andyrau is right nothing is wrong with farming mid and it's actually harder than safelaning. You can be a safelane but not necessarily play midlane while you can be a coreplayer and you can usually be able to play safelane. Dunno what any of this has to do with anything. Roles are not interchangeable no matter what the Consensus Difficulty Level of Role is. | ||
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goody153
44132 Posts
On February 26 2015 05:02 nojok wrote: He was shut down because teams understood that focusing s4 during the laning phase was the key to beat alliance. He's a great laner and he's the best on playmakers imo. Mechanically speaking, he won his fair share of 1v1 mid tournaments but that's not really what dota is about. idk dendi and i've seen him lose mid against other mid often but that was back when DK(dreamteam) was a thing the 1v1 tournaments was mirror matches so we find it credible | ||
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