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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 25 2015 20:27 GMT
#441
1v1 mid tournaments are fun but don't actually mean anything.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 25 2015 20:29 GMT
#442
yawn

lategame Secret will just roll prolly.
WriterXiao8~~
Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
February 25 2015 20:32 GMT
#443
echo slam on his own team and a bladefury jugg lmfao
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 20:34:50
February 25 2015 20:33 GMT
#444
FDFH there is a broken quote on your post. Lacks a entry quote.

Back on topic.

World class support ? bigdaddy ? and kky is not a world class support ? did you forget the times he played on na'vi? or whatever plays he did during DAC ? Bigdaddy was just known due to playing on secret. Why is he not praised when he was still on fnatic then ?

So you are one of the secret bandwagoner ?


Roles are not interchangeable no matter what the Consensus Difficulty Level of Role is.


What ? If you say so then why the fuck are you complaining about rtz if you think this way? You should already know that rtz has been a 1 position who is just laning mid.

is it just your excuse to flame the player?

this is a quote
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
February 25 2015 20:33 GMT
#445
zaiiiiiiiiii
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
February 25 2015 20:35 GMT
#446
On February 26 2015 05:32 Thetwinmasters wrote:
echo slam on his own team and a bladefury jugg lmfao

Echo slam used to do bkb piercing damage :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44132 Posts
February 25 2015 20:38 GMT
#447
ok that was a good kiting by secret
this is a quote
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 20:38:57
February 25 2015 20:38 GMT
#448
On February 26 2015 05:06 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:04 andyrau wrote:
On February 26 2015 04:55 FHDH wrote:
RTZ was explicitly practicing safelane carries in preparation for his move to Secret.

It wasn't good enough. That's why he's back mid. Not because two teenagers said they are better than S4. S4's midlaning on Secret was unimpeachable.

And yeah I'd classify Kuroky carry as roughly EE status.

uhh
you're pulling this 'he's not good enough so team internally decides to put him mid on mid-specific heroes' logic out from nowhere?

i mean im pretty sure you can carry a game from mid and you can also play mid heroes on the mid lane so your complaints are still unfounded

Not sure how you came to your premise or conclusion.

On February 26 2015 04:55 FHDH wrote:
It wasn't good enough. That's why he's back mid.

you're acting like they're drafting around rtz's weakness of only playing mids and forcing s4 to swap to the safelane or kky to playing support
as if sf or whatever mid hero isn't supposed to played mid, or as if they picked sf only to suit rtz's limited hero pool

by that regard it's equivalent to saying ppy played awful at lane supports, ergo he's only drafting himself enigma, chen and other jungle 4 heroes.
it's just conjecture on your behalf and a fallacy of self fulfillment.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 20:40:04
February 25 2015 20:38 GMT
#449
I'm aware Kuroky is a world-class support. I still haven't forgiven everyone involved at Na'Vi for Kuroky's exit. And yeah I would rather have had things stay the way they were but with Zai offlane but I was tentatively supportive of this change with the stipulation that Arteezy could actually play safelane carries. Because safelane carries are really goddamned strong in this meta. Which is why teams are relying on them primarily. My point is that a lot of players had to adjust to Arteezy because he couldn't hack it at safelane. And they did try. It didn't work.

Also you used this 2013 line twice in two threads in two minutes or so. People laughed at EE more recently than 2013, just have to point that out.
you're acting like they're drafting around rtz's weakness of only playing mids and forcing s4 to swap to the safelane or kky to playing support
as if sf or whatever mid hero isn't supposed to played mid, or as if they picked sf only to suit rtz's limited hero pool

by that regard it's equivalent to saying ppy played awful at lane supports, ergo he's only drafting himself enigma, chen and other jungle 4 heroes.
it's just conjecture on your behalf and a fallacy of self fulfillment.

This is a lot of words to try and place your opinion above mine with no actual counterargument or direct refutation.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44132 Posts
February 25 2015 20:39 GMT
#450
late SF sny ?

i guess that he values mobility this game ? still makes sense but i don't think that's the best item choice
this is a quote
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 20:42:27
February 25 2015 20:40 GMT
#451
The only team that relies on safelane carries in this meta is C9. We just had two games where both teams had pos 1 mids.

Same thing in the other game going on right now.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 25 2015 20:42 GMT
#452
On February 26 2015 05:40 SKC wrote:
The only team that relies on safelane carries in this meta is C9. We just had two games where both teams had pos 1 mids.

What in the fuck...?

If you mean "only c9 exclusively runs their carry from safelane" you're wrong because they don't. If you mean "most teams are running their carries from mid primarily" you're laughably wrong.

What even is this.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
February 25 2015 20:45 GMT
#453
On February 26 2015 05:42 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:40 SKC wrote:
The only team that relies on safelane carries in this meta is C9. We just had two games where both teams had pos 1 mids.

What in the fuck...?

If you mean "only c9 exclusively runs their carry from safelane" you're wrong because they don't. If you mean "most teams are running their carries from mid primarily" you're laughably wrong.

What even is this.

Almost all teams run pos 1 mids all the time. It happened to both teams in this series in both games, it is happening in the Empire vs NiP game right now. Traditional safelane carries that need space from another mid hero are not what's strong in this meta. It's almost a rarity. Dual cores or mid core is more common by a good margin.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 20:47:21
February 25 2015 20:45 GMT
#454
On February 26 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
you're acting like they're drafting around rtz's weakness of only playing mids and forcing s4 to swap to the safelane or kky to playing support
as if sf or whatever mid hero isn't supposed to played mid, or as if they picked sf only to suit rtz's limited hero pool

by that regard it's equivalent to saying ppy played awful at lane supports, ergo he's only drafting himself enigma, chen and other jungle 4 heroes.
it's just conjecture on your behalf and a fallacy of self fulfillment.

This is a lot of words to try and place your opinion above mine with no actual counterargument or direct refutation.

it's really not as i dont really have an opinion
i'm just saying your statement is invalid because it's a foregone conclusion based on reddit tier superficial observation of lane swapping and extrapolating
i've said this like 3 times in different ways now i hope this is direct enough

well actually i do have an opinion and it's 'your statement makes no sense'
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 20:52:16
February 25 2015 20:50 GMT
#455
On February 26 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
I'm aware Kuroky is a world-class support. I still haven't forgiven everyone involved at Na'Vi for Kuroky's exit. And yeah I would rather have had things stay the way they were but with Zai offlane but I was tentatively supportive of this change with the stipulation that Arteezy could actually play safelane carries. Because safelane carries are really goddamned strong in this meta. Which is why teams are relying on them primarily. My point is that a lot of players had to adjust to Arteezy because he couldn't hack it at safelane. And they did try. It didn't work.

Also you used this 2013 line twice in two threads in two minutes or so. People laughed at EE more recently than 2013, just have to point that out.

Many laugh at EE what's new? Whether he improved it wouldn't matter people think how he interacts == how he approaches the game.

2013 line is correct though. Back that time a safelaner is a safelaner and a midlaner is a midlaner. You still think that safelaning necesarilly means that you are the carry. When a core is safelaned it just means they are securing farm for him early on. You still see the game that way it is 2013.
this is a quote
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
February 25 2015 20:52 GMT
#456
On February 26 2015 05:45 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:42 FHDH wrote:
On February 26 2015 05:40 SKC wrote:
The only team that relies on safelane carries in this meta is C9. We just had two games where both teams had pos 1 mids.

What in the fuck...?

If you mean "only c9 exclusively runs their carry from safelane" you're wrong because they don't. If you mean "most teams are running their carries from mid primarily" you're laughably wrong.

What even is this.

Almost all teams run pos 1 mids all the time. It happened to both teams in this series in both games, it is happening in the Empire vs NiP game right now. Traditional safelane carries that need space from another mid hero are not what's strong in this meta. It's almost a rarity. Dual cores or mid core is more common by a good margin.

Empire run their 1 almost exclusively mid
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 20:55:53
February 25 2015 20:54 GMT
#457
On February 26 2015 05:45 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
you're acting like they're drafting around rtz's weakness of only playing mids and forcing s4 to swap to the safelane or kky to playing support
as if sf or whatever mid hero isn't supposed to played mid, or as if they picked sf only to suit rtz's limited hero pool

by that regard it's equivalent to saying ppy played awful at lane supports, ergo he's only drafting himself enigma, chen and other jungle 4 heroes.
it's just conjecture on your behalf and a fallacy of self fulfillment.

This is a lot of words to try and place your opinion above mine with no actual counterargument or direct refutation.

it's really not as i dont really have an opinion
i'm just saying your statement is invalid because it's a foregone conclusion based on reddit tier superficial observation of lane swapping and extrapolating
i've said this like 3 times in different ways now i hope this is direct enough

well actually i do have an opinion and it's 'your statement makes no sense'

And this is some Reddit-level, fedora-tipping invalidation basically along the lines of the last thing you said.

Trying to say anything around here is like watching a game sand saying "player X is a bad carry" and some people go "well this is one game and he is being pressured and you are an idiot" and no matter how much substantiation you have for what you're saying someone always wants you to reach deeper before you're allowed to have your opinion, which you're still wrong about and an idiot even if you produce an encyclopedia of backup for your statement.
On February 26 2015 05:50 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
I'm aware Kuroky is a world-class support. I still haven't forgiven everyone involved at Na'Vi for Kuroky's exit. And yeah I would rather have had things stay the way they were but with Zai offlane but I was tentatively supportive of this change with the stipulation that Arteezy could actually play safelane carries. Because safelane carries are really goddamned strong in this meta. Which is why teams are relying on them primarily. My point is that a lot of players had to adjust to Arteezy because he couldn't hack it at safelane. And they did try. It didn't work.

Also you used this 2013 line twice in two threads in two minutes or so. People laughed at EE more recently than 2013, just have to point that out.

Many laugh at EE what's new? Whether he improved it wouldn't matter people think how he interacts == how he approaches the game.

2013 line is correct though. Back that time a safelaner is a safelaner and a midlaner is a midlaner. You still think that safelaning necesarilly means that you are the carry. When a core is safelaned it just means they are securing farm for him early on. You still see the game that way it is 2013.

Weird that you say that I see the game this way when my complaint is very specifically that Secret have been narrowed to run almost exclusive mid carries since Arteezy came on board. And yet apparently I don't believe that is a thing.

OK.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
February 25 2015 20:55 GMT
#458
On February 26 2015 05:54 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:45 andyrau wrote:
On February 26 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
you're acting like they're drafting around rtz's weakness of only playing mids and forcing s4 to swap to the safelane or kky to playing support
as if sf or whatever mid hero isn't supposed to played mid, or as if they picked sf only to suit rtz's limited hero pool

by that regard it's equivalent to saying ppy played awful at lane supports, ergo he's only drafting himself enigma, chen and other jungle 4 heroes.
it's just conjecture on your behalf and a fallacy of self fulfillment.

This is a lot of words to try and place your opinion above mine with no actual counterargument or direct refutation.

it's really not as i dont really have an opinion
i'm just saying your statement is invalid because it's a foregone conclusion based on reddit tier superficial observation of lane swapping and extrapolating
i've said this like 3 times in different ways now i hope this is direct enough

well actually i do have an opinion and it's 'your statement makes no sense'

And this is some Reddit-level, fedora-tipping invalidation basically along the lines of the last thing you said.

Trying to say anything around here is like watching a game sand saying "player X is a bad carry" and some people go "well this is one game and he is being pressured and you are an idiot" and no matter how much substantiation you have for what you're saying someone always wants you to reach deeper before you're allowed to have your opinion, which you're still wrong about and an idiot even if you produce an encyclopedia of backup for your statement.


Except that you're blatantly wrong, like you are in every topic you post in.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 25 2015 20:56 GMT
#459
On February 26 2015 05:55 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:54 FHDH wrote:
On February 26 2015 05:45 andyrau wrote:
On February 26 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
you're acting like they're drafting around rtz's weakness of only playing mids and forcing s4 to swap to the safelane or kky to playing support
as if sf or whatever mid hero isn't supposed to played mid, or as if they picked sf only to suit rtz's limited hero pool

by that regard it's equivalent to saying ppy played awful at lane supports, ergo he's only drafting himself enigma, chen and other jungle 4 heroes.
it's just conjecture on your behalf and a fallacy of self fulfillment.

This is a lot of words to try and place your opinion above mine with no actual counterargument or direct refutation.

it's really not as i dont really have an opinion
i'm just saying your statement is invalid because it's a foregone conclusion based on reddit tier superficial observation of lane swapping and extrapolating
i've said this like 3 times in different ways now i hope this is direct enough

well actually i do have an opinion and it's 'your statement makes no sense'

And this is some Reddit-level, fedora-tipping invalidation basically along the lines of the last thing you said.

Trying to say anything around here is like watching a game sand saying "player X is a bad carry" and some people go "well this is one game and he is being pressured and you are an idiot" and no matter how much substantiation you have for what you're saying someone always wants you to reach deeper before you're allowed to have your opinion, which you're still wrong about and an idiot even if you produce an encyclopedia of backup for your statement.


Except that you're blatantly wrong, like you are in every topic you post in.

I love that I have stalkers here.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 25 2015 21:10 GMT
#460
On February 26 2015 05:54 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:45 andyrau wrote:
On February 26 2015 05:38 FHDH wrote:
you're acting like they're drafting around rtz's weakness of only playing mids and forcing s4 to swap to the safelane or kky to playing support
as if sf or whatever mid hero isn't supposed to played mid, or as if they picked sf only to suit rtz's limited hero pool

by that regard it's equivalent to saying ppy played awful at lane supports, ergo he's only drafting himself enigma, chen and other jungle 4 heroes.
it's just conjecture on your behalf and a fallacy of self fulfillment.

This is a lot of words to try and place your opinion above mine with no actual counterargument or direct refutation.

it's really not as i dont really have an opinion
i'm just saying your statement is invalid because it's a foregone conclusion based on reddit tier superficial observation of lane swapping and extrapolating
i've said this like 3 times in different ways now i hope this is direct enough

well actually i do have an opinion and it's 'your statement makes no sense'

And this is some Reddit-level, fedora-tipping invalidation basically along the lines of the last thing you said.

Trying to say anything around here is like watching a game sand saying "player X is a bad carry" and some people go "well this is one game and he is being pressured and you are an idiot" and no matter how much substantiation you have for what you're saying someone always wants you to reach deeper before you're allowed to have your opinion, which you're still wrong about and an idiot even if you produce an encyclopedia of backup for your statement.

except you don't have an encyclopedia of backup
all you have is that they switched lanes
what's more is that their positions aren't even technically switched, they're interchangeable

it's unlikely either of us are going to change our minds without one of the team members coming out and clarifying the issue so whatever
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