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On January 29 2015 17:43 ViZe wrote:
seems like a bit of a weak draft from goblak. too much pressure on the medusa to get super farmed and against omni it doesnt really even matter. its fun to blame xboct for navi's losses but this one is on goblak
It's been a bit now since XBOCT was (fairly) being blamed for Na'Vi losses. He's been quite solid lately.
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On January 29 2015 17:43 blobrus wrote:
I mean secret looked like a well oiled EG in their first game. Promising, can't wait to see the vods when i wake up.
Well EG also looked like a well oiled EG. I could see a top 4 being all western.
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heh twitch.tv advertising "king of the nurds"
the stereotype is real
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United States13143 Posts
On January 29 2015 17:43 ahswtini wrote:
GODDAM
fixed
+ Show Spoiler +One of HR's support players goes by goddam
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Secret basically baited the jugg pick then responded with bristle dazzle. There's no way that jugg can contest a bristle dazzle offlane so BG placed jugg in the offlane and tried to pick up a strong laner against bristle - viper. The way to beat jugg is to get summons (viper and lycan) plus tanky cores (bb, centaur and lycan). Add physical armour in dazzle and you've pretty much rendered jugg useless.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 29 2015 17:43 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 17:41 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:40 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:36 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:34 SleepyDreams wrote:On January 29 2015 17:31 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
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If they actually started it, they would wipe Secret i think. its one of those games where if jugg didnt get picked off randomly he wouldve had level 16 and they mightve turned that fight with it It wasn't random. Burning had to play riskily by split pushing. If he had played safely, he would of got no farm and secret would of pushed high ground sooner. Think of it this way: the additional gold he and his team may of gained by farming riskily and dieing 2-3 times may of been more than the by staying with his team and farming. he died to lycan in a normally safe position -- i'm guessing arteezy went around and sapped his mana with necro, and then jugg was helpless You can't run away from lycan with shapeshift and don't forget, jugg with mom is paper, so he could even die from not being able to tp away in time. cast omni And? Lycan won't die and after that you die anyways. lycan wont have minions, jugg can actually beat out lycan in damage at that point, who will probably also be at 60% hp Lycan is much tankier and you won't kill minions if you omni him in the middle of creep wave. you space away from the creepwave. and it doesnt matter if lycan is much tankier, if its a 1v1 situation jugg will simply out lifesteal with the ridiculous BAT
1. Lifesteal is overrated, when lycan eats a 1/5th of your HP with each hit due to mom amplification, you are fucking done for.
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On January 29 2015 17:42 SleepyDreams wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 17:40 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:36 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:34 SleepyDreams wrote:On January 29 2015 17:31 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:29 kirsed wrote:
That was almost so cool from BG. If they actually started it, they would wipe Secret i think. its one of those games where if jugg didnt get picked off randomly he wouldve had level 16 and they mightve turned that fight with it It wasn't random. Burning had to play riskily by split pushing. If he had played safely, he would of got no farm and secret would of pushed high ground sooner. Think of it this way: the additional gold he and his team may of gained by farming riskily and dieing 2-3 times may of been more than the by staying with his team and farming. he died to lycan in a normally safe position -- i'm guessing arteezy went around and sapped his mana with necro, and then jugg was helpless You can't run away from lycan with shapeshift and don't forget, jugg with mom is paper, so he could even die from not being able to tp away in time. cast omni And? Lycan won't die and after that you die anyways. lycan wont have minions, jugg can actually beat out lycan in damage at that point, who will probably also be at 60% hp Your forgetting that lycan has necrobooks.
im not forgetting that. i said it a long time ago.
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On January 29 2015 17:36 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 17:35 ncsix wrote:
on another note.. Rave not looking so hot this game.
Chinese may win a game?
They should .. I'll look like a dumbass praising the Chinese hard
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On January 29 2015 17:45 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 17:43 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:41 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:40 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:36 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:34 SleepyDreams wrote:On January 29 2015 17:31 rabidch wrote:
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its one of those games where if jugg didnt get picked off randomly he wouldve had level 16 and they mightve turned that fight with it It wasn't random. Burning had to play riskily by split pushing. If he had played safely, he would of got no farm and secret would of pushed high ground sooner. Think of it this way: the additional gold he and his team may of gained by farming riskily and dieing 2-3 times may of been more than the by staying with his team and farming. he died to lycan in a normally safe position -- i'm guessing arteezy went around and sapped his mana with necro, and then jugg was helpless You can't run away from lycan with shapeshift and don't forget, jugg with mom is paper, so he could even die from not being able to tp away in time. cast omni And? Lycan won't die and after that you die anyways. lycan wont have minions, jugg can actually beat out lycan in damage at that point, who will probably also be at 60% hp Lycan is much tankier and you won't kill minions if you omni him in the middle of creep wave. you space away from the creepwave. and it doesnt matter if lycan is much tankier, if its a 1v1 situation jugg will simply out lifesteal with the ridiculous BAT 1. Lifesteal is overrated, when lycan eats a 1/5th of your HP with each hit due to mom amplification, you are fucking done for.
its not overrated on jugg. if you disagree about it then theres nothing more to be said
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On January 29 2015 17:45 SleepyDreams wrote:
Secret basically baited the jugg pick then responded with bristle dazzle. There's no way that jugg can contest a bristle dazzle offlane so BG placed jugg in the offlane and tried to pick up a strong laner against bristle - viper. The way to beat jugg is to get summons (viper and lycan) plus tanky cores (bb, centaur and lycan). Add physical armour in dazzle and you've pretty much rendered jugg useless.
Don't read to much into it.
Chinese pick Jugg 100%, you don't have to bait it ever.
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come on MVP. need them to beat EG!!!!!
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On January 29 2015 17:43 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 17:41 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:40 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:36 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:34 SleepyDreams wrote:On January 29 2015 17:31 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
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If they actually started it, they would wipe Secret i think. its one of those games where if jugg didnt get picked off randomly he wouldve had level 16 and they mightve turned that fight with it It wasn't random. Burning had to play riskily by split pushing. If he had played safely, he would of got no farm and secret would of pushed high ground sooner. Think of it this way: the additional gold he and his team may of gained by farming riskily and dieing 2-3 times may of been more than the by staying with his team and farming. he died to lycan in a normally safe position -- i'm guessing arteezy went around and sapped his mana with necro, and then jugg was helpless You can't run away from lycan with shapeshift and don't forget, jugg with mom is paper, so he could even die from not being able to tp away in time. cast omni And? Lycan won't die and after that you die anyways. lycan wont have minions, jugg can actually beat out lycan in damage at that point, who will probably also be at 60% hp Lycan is much tankier and you won't kill minions if you omni him in the middle of creep wave. you space away from the creepwave. and it doesnt matter if lycan is much tankier, if its a 1v1 situation jugg will simply out lifesteal with the ridiculous BAT
That Lycan had like 30 armor, ult, and lifesteal of his own, Jugg would get decimated in a manfight.
Edit: Are you forgetting that Jugg wasn't even 16 and RTZ was 20+? It's not like Jugg had a fuckin Abyssal stashed away, dude had BFury Manta MoM.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
oh lmao mvp beat newbee earlier???
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The thing is if jugg tries to omnislash, lycan can just instant use summons and tank most of omnislash. 1 on 1 Jugg vs lycan, theres no way you out dps a lycan with medallion
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im liking that chinese isn't dominating now.
it's like pre TI3 era where chinese looked weak.
there's gotta be shifts of power or the game is no fun. Just look at starcraft ;p
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On January 29 2015 17:47 ahswtini wrote:
oh lmao mvp beat newbee earlier???
yep
25 minute game as well.
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On January 29 2015 17:46 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 17:45 SleepyDreams wrote:
Secret basically baited the jugg pick then responded with bristle dazzle. There's no way that jugg can contest a bristle dazzle offlane so BG placed jugg in the offlane and tried to pick up a strong laner against bristle - viper. The way to beat jugg is to get summons (viper and lycan) plus tanky cores (bb, centaur and lycan). Add physical armour in dazzle and you've pretty much rendered jugg useless. Don't read to much into it. Chinese pick Jugg 100%, you don't have to bait it ever.
this. chinese likes the spinerino
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 29 2015 17:46 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 17:45 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:43 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:41 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:40 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:39 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 17:36 rabidch wrote:On January 29 2015 17:34 SleepyDreams wrote:
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It wasn't random. Burning had to play riskily by split pushing. If he had played safely, he would of got no farm and secret would of pushed high ground sooner. Think of it this way: the additional gold he and his team may of gained by farming riskily and dieing 2-3 times may of been more than the by staying with his team and farming. he died to lycan in a normally safe position -- i'm guessing arteezy went around and sapped his mana with necro, and then jugg was helpless You can't run away from lycan with shapeshift and don't forget, jugg with mom is paper, so he could even die from not being able to tp away in time. cast omni And? Lycan won't die and after that you die anyways. lycan wont have minions, jugg can actually beat out lycan in damage at that point, who will probably also be at 60% hp Lycan is much tankier and you won't kill minions if you omni him in the middle of creep wave. you space away from the creepwave. and it doesnt matter if lycan is much tankier, if its a 1v1 situation jugg will simply out lifesteal with the ridiculous BAT 1. Lifesteal is overrated, when lycan eats a 1/5th of your HP with each hit due to mom amplification, you are fucking done for. its not overrated on jugg. if you disagree about it then theres nothing more to be said
Lifesteal in manfights is overrated, especially when you don't even do that much dps, like seriously, lycan had ~ 13 armor at that point against phase-mom-yasha lvl12 (or what was it) with lvl1 crit, i can note that jugg had approximately 300 dps with mom on = 168 after reductions on lycan = 12 HP per second. Oh yeah, that surely helps when you lose more than 100 each second.
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On January 29 2015 17:47 SleepyDreams wrote:
The thing is if jugg tries to omnislash, lycan can just instant use summons and tank most of omnislash. 1 on 1 Jugg vs lycan, theres no way you out dps a lycan with medallion
medallion was on Visage, but lycan was to ahead of jugg at the point. Jugg wouldn't have won that fight.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 29 2015 17:47 SleepyDreams wrote:
The thing is if jugg tries to omnislash, lycan can just instant use summons and tank most of omnislash. 1 on 1 Jugg vs lycan, theres no way you out dps a lycan with medallion
Lycan had no medallion tho.
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