[DAC] Group Stage Day 1 - Page 102

On January 30 2015 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Not sure why people are acting so shocked at the results so far. I mean, unless you were looking at the last 6 months through a filter, it was fairly obvious that the top Western teams were competitive against the top Chinese teams.

The only question was if the roster shuffles made them any worse, and so far it seems like the answer is no.

On January 30 2015 04:55 TheYango wrote:

There was also a pretty obvious sense of apathy and complacency in China as a whole (highlighted by Newbee's known lack of practice).

You'd have to be pretty delusional to expect that they wouldn't lose some significant ground in the post-TI4 period.

On January 30 2015 03:29 Azarkon wrote:
Bo1s is a great argument for why C9 is doing well, because they're basically running new meta strats every match. But EG and Secret genuinely look reinvigorated and higher skilled than before, while the skill level of the Chinese teams hasn't changed from last we saw them, except for Newbee who are playing worse. I imagine the top Chinese teams won't have an issue getting through the groups - with the exception of Newbee in case they keep this level up - but I do not favor them in a Bo3 vs. EG and Secret.

IMO, VG's success overseas was a misleading mirage for both Chinese teams and fans. It gave off the impression that China was super ahead and win every int. tournament they attend. Turns out, however, that it was just VG. Had the other top Chinese teams made it to just one of these tournaments, we'd have had a wake up call. But they didn't. Ukraine too dangerous. Visa issues. Blah blah blah. And in the end, both they and the fans paid for it pretending they were going to be just as successful as VG.

I'm going to give it one additional day but I don't think this is a TI 4 situation at all. During TI 4, you had EG & a few NA dark horses jump up the first day, while the EU big shots all crumbled instantly. But those NA dark horses were obvious dark horses, comprised of, effectively, players who've sat between 'mediocre' and 'decent' for years. That they faltered the 2nd and 3rd days was, in a way, just them returning to their normal level prior to TI.

This time, however, you have Secret's all-stars roster and EG with two new players but otherwise the old line up that got 3rd at TI 4. Everyone knew coming in these teams had the raw talent to go all the way to the top. They just didn't think they've already gotten the synergy down. People thought there were going to be communication issues, role issues, conflicting shot calls, poorly coordinated team fights, etc. They didn't think these guys were just going to come in and gel and play as though they've been playing for years.

The situation is thus a lot closer to that of TI 3 than TI 4. The Western favorites are playing to the level of Western favorites. The Western second-tier are playing to the level of Western second-tier. Even a SEA/Korean team - the analogy to Orange @ TI 3 - has risen to the occasion. At the same time, the Chinese teams aren't playing a lot worse than they had been in their own tournaments - it's just that the level they were playing at has been surpassed.

Ask yourself this - do you actually believe teams led by PPD and Puppey are just going to crumble on Day 2 and 3 the way Nar'Vi and Liquid did? I sure don't. The greatest tests are still ahead in the play offs, but I don't think Day 1 is just a fluke.

On January 30 2015 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Not sure why people are acting so shocked at the results so far. I mean, unless you were looking at the last 6 months through a filter, it was fairly obvious that the top Western teams were competitive against the top Chinese teams.

The only question was if the roster shuffles made them any worse, and so far it seems like the answer is no.

On January 30 2015 05:11 blobrus wrote:

See that's what I thought too but a lot of stuff I read on here/reddit seemed to be about how Chinese dota was so superior to western dota and teams like Secret and EG had no chance to actually win it/Chinese top 4 etc etc.

Any of the top teams from either region could win this.

On January 30 2015 04:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:


I can see three things wrong about this post.

See if you can spot them.

On January 30 2015 05:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Hey guys, what is happening? I can't find these games on liquipedia, I thought there were no more games for today since like few hours ago?

On January 30 2015 05:54 Sn0_Man wrote:

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there are rebroadcasts going on now. games are done for today, tomorrow's games start in around 7 hours.

On January 30 2015 04:43 Shergal wrote:
Tiny+Wisp is not a new meta strat, neither is Necro+Wisp. I'm not sure how that's considered a fair assessment of C9's games

On January 30 2015 05:04 TRAP[yoo] wrote:

what about the upcoming chinese shuffle? do you think it also contributed to some of the lackluster performances on day1?

On January 30 2015 08:52 Steelavocado wrote:
Old man doto's chance to win a TI like tourny?