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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 22 2014 08:16 RxMidnight wrote: Crazy how the title of highest earning E-sports player, once held by icons of gaming like Fatal1ty, Jaedong and Dendi, is now held by.......Hao. http://www.ongamers.com/articles/hao-s-introspective-declaration-of-love-and-ambition/1100-1228/ rags to riches | ||
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Khylol
United States279 Posts
On July 22 2014 08:16 RxMidnight wrote: Crazy how the title of highest earning E-sports player, once held by icons of gaming like Fatal1ty, Jaedong and Dendi, is now held by.......Hao. Why is that crazy? It seems like you have a problem with it. Is he underserving? If you can't see him as a person who has struggled intensely to get where he is and has immense skill, maybe you're blind. Someone posted a translated version of his story in the niu bi team thread, maybe go read that. edit : Optertownrown posted it above me, thanks. edit edit : hao is now my favorite chinese player, and he was already my favorite chinese carry just from his style and appearance in the tongfu days. What a fucking awesome person. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
the only bad thing about this year was the insane price pool, making a couple of random kids millionaires is just silly. the scene isn't big or stable enough for this kind of price pool at all and it's not like $5mil will make people try harder than $1mil. would much rather see five $1mil tournaments than one $5mil. lamest thing was when techies got a standing ovation. had to turn off the stream. best thing was bruno but i might be biased here. | ||
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Khylol
United States279 Posts
On July 22 2014 08:21 prplhz wrote: what happened to [A] will happen to newbie. Ahahaha. You serious? Tongfu almost made it to the finals last year but you think they are one trick ponies huh... | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On July 22 2014 08:21 Khylol wrote: Why is that crazy? It seems like you have a problem with it. Is he underserving? If you can't see him as a person who has struggled intensely to get where he is and has immense skill, maybe you're blind. Someone posted a translated version of his story in the niu bi team thread, maybe go read that. edit : Optertownrown posted it above me, thanks. edit edit : hao is now my favorite chinese player, and he was already my favorite chinese carry just from his style and appearance in the tongfu days. What a fucking awesome person. Hao is not at all undeserving of his winnings. He is a successful player on an extremely strong team, who has just won a premier tournament in convincing fashion. However, I also think it's fair to say that his visibility and icon-status is a good step below that of players like Jaedong and Fatal1ty in their respective scenes and heydeys. The point is that that list used to read as a who's-who of the biggest names in the whole of esports. TI's ridiculous prizepool has bumped NB above some of those names. They aren't underserving - they won the tournament, that was the prize, and they are certainly big names in their own right - but it shows that a prizemoney ranking is no longer a reliable metric to judge players' legacies. | ||
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Khylol
United States279 Posts
On July 22 2014 08:29 Belisarius wrote: Hao is not at all undeserving of his winnings. He is a successful player on an extremely strong team, who has just won a premier tournament in convincing fashion. However, I also think it's fair to say that his visibility and icon-status is a good step below that of players like Jaedong and Fatal1ty in their respective scenes and heydeys. The point is that that list used to read as a who's-who of the biggest names in the whole of esports. TI's ridiculous prizepool has bumped NB above some of those names. They aren't underserving - they won the tournament, that was the prize, and they are certainly big names in their own right - but it shows that a prizemoney ranking is no longer a reliable metric to judge players' legacies. I see your point and I was being defensive. I think the takeaway from that is just that esports is growing exponentially, atleast certainly in prizepool numbers. I don't think Hao's appeal as a player is at all limited to him being an "anonymous chinese" just as jaedong wasn't a "faceless korean", though. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On July 22 2014 08:26 Khylol wrote: Ahahaha. You serious? Tongfu almost made it to the finals last year but you think they are one trick ponies huh... I think he just meant that they won't be able to do the same thing forever. Metas change. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
BUT that said, I actually rather liked the play offs this TI. Even if teams started fighting and 5 manning early they did so with finesse and interesting hero compositions that required ridiculous execution to pull off. Much much better than the awfulness that was the group stages where people just picked hard-to-kill shit with strong ultimates and broke towers with their faces. One more viper+razor+enigma+tide game and I would strangle myself ><. | ||
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Khylol
United States279 Posts
On July 22 2014 08:34 packrat386 wrote: I think he just meant that they won't be able to do the same thing forever. Metas change. Well that's not what it sounds like because "what happened to [A]" is that once their one strategy faded out of fashion they couldn't even make top10 at the following TI. On July 22 2014 08:16 RxMidnight wrote: edit: Also, China as a whole made some serious bank from this tournament. TI4 alone paid out more prize money to Chinese players than all other tournaments in Chinese E-sports history. Indeed china made alot of money. With this much money on the line, na and eu need more teamhouses and fulltime dedication, or every year will be like this from now on. | ||
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CherryNubCakes
United States972 Posts
1. So was the key to beating VG just "ban out Super" all along, or was it mostly bad luck in Game 2 and tilting rOtk outdrafted in G3/4? 2. Could Titan or a western team have knocked down the on-form Newbee of the main event? 3. Could Vici have brought it back if they weren't hideously outdrafted game 4? Did they have a chance of beating Newbee without tanky push? 4. Should the next TI have a BO2 groupstage? (Obviously yes) | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Giga
United Kingdom114 Posts
Once Earth Spirit, Legion and others are also added to the CM pool, I think the meta will be a lot more interesting. | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
They never got to face Alliance again prior to TI3 and I think they came into the tournament without the usual swagger and confidence in their own style that we are used to the Chinese having. If it weren't for the psychological factors at play, for all we know TI3 could of been another Chinese stomp in the grand finals like it was in TI2. | ||
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yyfpulls
United States2185 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:19 WindWolf wrote: Prolly a bit controversial, but I don't see Fnatic w/ Era disbanding. I mean, they are the most stable 5-man squad in Dota2, and they must have had some though times internally even before EraGate happened Stable doesn't mean they're good, it's not like they even under perform either. Fnatic had a legitimate chance to make it to the main event with Excalibur for sure. Era has never been able to carry his team like that. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On July 22 2014 08:19 opterown wrote: http://www.ongamers.com/articles/hao-s-introspective-declaration-of-love-and-ambition/1100-1228/ rags to riches Dang that was deep. I really felt for RoTK, Lanm, Burning, but good to know Newbee got their story too. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
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Ohforfsake
Norway204 Posts
On July 22 2014 08:54 a-game wrote: @Ohforfsake Nice post. That said I think it has as much to do with the Chinese simply being extremely efficient, as it has to do with the state of the meta. I don't think China failed in TI3 because they couldn't master the meta, I think they were just trapped in an inferiority complex that year. Alliance came into G-1 League and whipped out the The Play (5x tp scroll into lvl 1 roshan) and while the Chinese were still trying to pick their jaw up off the floor Alliance pillaged the tournament. A nation stunned, defeated on their own soil by The West???. This was a time when China was supposed to be dominant. They never got to face Alliance again prior to TI3 and I think they came into the tournament without the usual swagger and confidence in their own style that we are used to the Chinese having. If it weren't for the psychological factors at play, for all we know TI3 could of been another Chinese stomp in the grand finals like it was in TI2. Agreed. But I bet the finals would have shown more than one strat being played by both teams that year. That was my main point, not what teams made it. My favorites and the team I hoped for if Alliance didn't make it this year (and honestly they shouldn't considering their preformance this year) was DK. So This missconception that I only cheer for western teams is purely in the minds of some people answering my post. Last year alliance won not because of split push but because they had several very strong strats prepared that made them hard to ban against (Navi figured it out in the finals and made it exiting but before that it was pretty one sided (except DK). Split push as said was a last resort if all else failed (which it did in just a few games of the entire tournament). The bread and butter of Alliance TI3 was wisp+any and naga support and of corse bulldogs two main heroes. KOTL antipush stopped the strats that was all we saw this years finals. So basically the team had a wisp+any gank strat into snowball into win, naga support team fight strat into roshan domination and always ensuring favorable team fights into snowball and win and lastly the hated NP split push rat dota style. This is why it was so hard to ban against, you only have 2 first bans so no matter what you do Bulldogs is either getting one of this two rat heroes, wisp gets through or naga siren. Even if you have first pick which most teams had against the alliance. And the alliance never banned these heroes so if you picked say wisp they were prepared and could outplay you. Wisp only had a positive win rate on the alliance (whole tournament) and on Navi (in the finals), anyone else picking it against the alliance lost. Anyhow, I could go on and on about this. Point being there was more strats used successfully to win games because no one strat was so imbalanced it could not be countered either by bans or counterpicks. And the reason why that was not the case this year is on Icefrogs hands. No fault was done by Newbie or VG for abusing this fact. And as for why Newbie won the finals I don't think the draft had much to do with it. VG had been drafting the same the entire tournament and Newbie just said "Fine, is that how you want to play? We'll just essentially draft for the same strat and beat you to the punch". (Execute it better) | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
basically the strat was the villain and the heroes (dk, eg, c9) all failed to outexecute it arguably, the strat working makes for more boring games than alliance's strat working, but it sounds like last year a lot of people got sick of alliance's thing and started wanting to see it defeated just like this year. villains have won three TIs in a row, in a way. probably also speaks to why there are so many navi fans, they were the heroes in the TI2 and TI3 narratives trying to defeat the juggernaut strats. | ||
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loklok
Germany161 Posts
On July 22 2014 07:54 Oddball28 wrote: Na'Vi flair. Color me suprised hahahahahahhaha. Has nothing to do with Na'Vi. They played really bad as expected. | ||
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