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Surprise that VG got outplayed hard in the laning stage.
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NB are just reading VG support movements so easy
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this is not the VG I'm used to watching
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On July 19 2014 03:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:59 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:
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Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. I'm not being elistest. You said that you've never seen it before which doesn't mean much if you are new to dota. Are you being serious right now? If I've been in the Dota community for a year, and have been watching A LOT in the half last year, I would think I should see some of these things. You are being an elitist. Sigh why are you getting so mad. Dota goes through phases that changes the game a lot. If you only been watching this year then you'll only be seeing maybe 2 phases at most where as the game has been around for 6+ years going through lots and lots of phases. edit: I see you think I'm talking about your opinion on early game advantages. I was merely talking about a history of dota stay(The 10-0 never having a comeback) and your mention of watching dota since Feb and never seeing it. It's entirely possible that it's happened in other phases that you haven't seen. Because I'm not discussing the past of Dota. Frankly, I don't really care about the past of Dota... I know it's gone through evolution, but everything I said has been commented on the recent state of the game. (ie patch 6.78 and onwards). Well, to wrap up this discussion.
Coming back from 0-10 kills or 0-4 towers at 15 isn't impossible. The game could be in many states where that isn't even that difficult of a comeback.
It just hasn't happened much recently, because there's a lot of snowballing in the meta, but it isn't in every game.
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Norway25712 Posts
On July 19 2014 03:03 WindWolf wrote:
Viper overextending.
naw man Mu decided it would be worth it
he had time to run away when the tp started.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
FG Chains Xin that got rekt in lane by Viper. Hahaha.
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On July 19 2014 03:03 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:59 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:58 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:56 Kaniol wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:
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Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. Wow wow, why so aggressive over your ego, he is right, you didn't watch too much DOTA if you haven't seen previous stages of it's evolution I never commented on previous patches. I commented on what I've seen on it's current state (which is as much as you guys), and I shared my thoughts on some things I felt might be potential concerns. Just because I'm not here from the Warcraft 3 days (although have been in the BW scene since 2007) doesn't mean my opinion holds no weight in this matter. Also those stats only go back about 2 years back. Wouldn't you think that's when they're the most important though? Since people care about Dota now more than ever. There is more players than ever, more viewers than ever, and also higher prize pools than ever. Again, it doesn't matter what has happened in the game a long time ago (in video game years), it's what is currently happening.
Let's just drop it.
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On July 19 2014 03:02 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 03:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:57 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. The thing with dota is is that how games are played changes so much with new patches. Dota right now is completely different from TI3 which was completely different from TI2. So yeah you've seen a bunch of matches, but in a very short time period, you havent seen a lot of different styles of dota yet I presume. I started watching TI3, and watched lightly for a few months after. I didn't see many styles, but again, I'm not commenting on the history on Dota - just what I have noticed in it's current state. In my situation it's hard to say that I know nothing about the current state of Dota if I watch many many tournaments, and am an alright Dota player myself. Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:51 Orome wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 kirsed wrote:
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You should be allowed to all in. I don't want a riot approved meta. What do you mean? I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. Those stats are also always skewed because a better team will almost never go 0-10 vs a worse team. The vast majority of the time, if a team is up 10-0, they were heavily favoured to begin with. If you took those replays and replayed them with top teams on the 0-10 side, I'm sure they'd turn some of them around. I know it makes sense. I'm just saying, wouldn't you think this would happen at least a couple times in the history of Dota? I'm not basing my argument on that. You were the one that kept mentioning "all time" or "history of Dota". It's not surprising that people talk about it.
I informally cited a statistic.
In my opinions I talked only about the current state.
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dammit x8
don't save VG so early
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bat was being WAY too greedy
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mu's crushing mid. but top and bottom aren't going too bad for vg.
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