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On July 19 2014 03:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:57 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:
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I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. The thing with dota is is that how games are played changes so much with new patches. Dota right now is completely different from TI3 which was completely different from TI2. So yeah you've seen a bunch of matches, but in a very short time period, you havent seen a lot of different styles of dota yet I presume. I started watching TI3, and watched lightly for a few months after. I didn't see many styles, but again, I'm not commenting on the history on Dota - just what I have noticed in it's current state. In my situation it's hard to say that I know nothing about the current state of Dota if I watch many many tournaments, and am an alright Dota player myself.
On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:51 Orome wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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I know, just man... Seeing Newbee run away with that game like that, just super crazy quick. You should be allowed to all in. I don't want a riot approved meta. What do you mean? I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. Those stats are also always skewed because a better team will almost never go 0-10 vs a worse team. The vast majority of the time, if a team is up 10-0, they were heavily favoured to begin with. If you took those replays and replayed them with top teams on the 0-10 side, I'm sure they'd turn some of them around. I know it makes sense. I'm just saying, wouldn't you think this would happen at least a couple times in the history of Dota? I'm not basing my argument on that.
You were the one that kept mentioning "all time" or "history of Dota". It's not surprising that people talk about it.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
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3,5 mins in and VG with 400g advantage, already an improvement compared to the previous game! :p
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
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these vg supports just can't do anything against these nb drafts
vs needed to go boots first for a chance at ganking luna. same with last game with sd
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Norway25712 Posts
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Thats so frustrating for the supports
fail gank
die now
ok gawd
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Norway25712 Posts
lol, Mu forcing that kill
AND getting two TPs for it. Sorta.
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On July 19 2014 02:59 kirsed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:58 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:56 Kaniol wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. Wow wow, why so aggressive over your ego, he is right, you didn't watch too much DOTA if you haven't seen previous stages of it's evolution I never commented on previous patches. I commented on what I've seen on it's current state (which is as much as you guys), and I shared my thoughts on some things I felt might be potential concerns. Just because I'm not here from the Warcraft 3 days (although have been in the BW scene since 2007) doesn't mean my opinion holds no weight in this matter. Also those stats only go back about 2 years back.
Wouldn't you think that's when they're the most important though?
Since people care about Dota now more than ever. There is more players than ever, more viewers than ever, and also higher prize pools than ever.
Again, it doesn't matter what has happened in the game a long time ago (in video game years), it's what is currently happening.
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opterown
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well that's a nice start finally
sad about mu
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These Newbee lanes are incredible. I love the Tide/Bat just trading off the lane whenever it suits Newbee.
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On July 19 2014 03:03 WindWolf wrote:
Viper overextending.
great trade for him actually
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EPT
