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On July 19 2014 02:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:
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I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. I'm not being elistest. You said that you've never seen it before which doesn't mean much if you are new to dota. Are you being serious right now? If I've been in the Dota community for a year, and have been watching A LOT in the half last year, I would think I should see some of these things. You are being an elitist.
Sigh why are you getting so mad. Dota goes through phases that changes the game a lot. If you only been watching this year then you'll only be seeing maybe 2 phases at most where as the game has been around for 6+ years going through lots and lots of phases.
edit: I see you think I'm talking about your opinion on early game advantages. I was merely talking about a history of dota stat(The 10-0 never having a comeback) and your mention of watching dota since Feb and never seeing it. It's entirely possible that it's happened in other phases that you haven't seen. I'm not saying your opinion about early advantages is invalid due to being new.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 19 2014 02:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:
that mass pinging hurts my ears
You need to play more LPQ games to get used to it
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Norway25712 Posts
On July 19 2014 02:59 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:58 KristofferAG wrote:
someone in the crowd got a vuvuzela or some shit? Same as last year. Doing the horn sound at the start. 
getting flashbacks over here, man
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 19 2014 02:58 Drazerk wrote:
PING EVERYTHING!
looks like I'm not the only one getting earraped
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On July 19 2014 02:58 LemOn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. I'm not being elistest. You said that you've never seen it before which doesn't mean much if you are new to dota. Are you being serious right now? If I've been in the Dota community for a year, and have been watching A LOT in the half last year, I would think I should see some of these things. You are being an elitist. a year is considered "new" in this community really If you didn't watch MYM PriDe you're new to me.
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guys 10-0 comeback is stupid and really really rare because teams are good, not because meta is bad.
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On July 19 2014 02:58 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:56 Kaniol wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:
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I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. Wow wow, why so aggressive over your ego, he is right, you didn't watch too much DOTA if you haven't seen previous stages of it's evolution I never commented on previous patches. I commented on what I've seen on it's current state (which is as much as you guys), and I shared my thoughts on some things I felt might be potential concerns. Just because I'm not here from the Warcraft 3 days (although have been in the BW scene since 2007) doesn't mean my opinion holds no weight in this matter.
Also those stats only go back about 2 years back.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On July 19 2014 02:59 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:59 Grettin wrote:On July 19 2014 02:58 KristofferAG wrote:
someone in the crowd got a vuvuzela or some shit? Same as last year. Doing the horn sound at the start. getting flashbacks over here, man
doing pushups?
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On July 19 2014 02:57 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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What do you mean? I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. The thing with dota is is that how games are played changes so much with new patches. Dota right now is completely different from TI3 which was completely different from TI2. So yeah you've seen a bunch of matches, but in a very short time period, you havent seen a lot of different styles of dota yet I presume.
I started watching TI3, and watched lightly for a few months after.
I didn't see many styles, but again, I'm not commenting on the history on Dota - just what I have noticed in it's current state. In my situation it's hard to say that I know nothing about the current state of Dota if I watch many many tournaments, and am an alright Dota player myself.
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Norway25712 Posts
So Mu is absolutely crushing mid.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
hao is not gonna get much offlane at all =/
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i dont see newbee's trilane getting kills at all not sure why tide is wasting time there
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On July 19 2014 02:59 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. I'm not being elistest. You said that you've never seen it before which doesn't mean much if you are new to dota. Are you being serious right now? If I've been in the Dota community for a year, and have been watching A LOT in the half last year, I would think I should see some of these things. You are being an elitist. Sigh why are you getting so mad. Dota goes through phases that changes the game a lot. If you only been watching this year then you'll only be seeing maybe 2 phases at most where as the game has been around for 6+ years going through lots and lots of phases. edit: I see you think I'm talking about your opinion on early game advantages. I was merely talking about a history of dota stay(The 10-0 never having a comeback) and your mention of watching dota since Feb and never seeing it. It's entirely possible that it's happened in other phases that you haven't seen.
Because I'm not discussing the past of Dota. Frankly, I don't really care about the past of Dota... I know it's gone through evolution, but everything I said has been commented on the recent state of the game. (ie patch 6.78 and onwards).
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And even then it's only happened a grand total of 96 times it's borderline irrelevant let's just drop it. The next game has started already.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
yeah vg getting much more from the lanes so far
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What difference 2 years can make: TI2 lycan pick/ban 100%, TI4 lycan pick/ban 100%
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Norway25712 Posts
Hao, man, dodging these smokeganks so ez
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watchu gon do bout that 320 base movespeed
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