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Don't know how VG expected ember to work vs viper. Picking up AA as support is also super greedy.
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Norway25712 Posts
awww no deny on Mu 
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wow VG outfarming newbee hard
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eclipse to the face lmao, also I think the ult fucked up the ember shield so it didn't kill off SD
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Deny could have been possible on the viper..
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On July 19 2014 03:05 Numy wrote:
Don't know how VG expected ember to work vs viper. Picking up AA as support is also super greedy.
And especially going for build that in fact makes this ember a food against Newbee's line-up since he got rekt so hard in lane.
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Networth not looking terrible.
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On July 19 2014 03:03 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 03:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:59 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. I'm not being elistest. You said that you've never seen it before which doesn't mean much if you are new to dota. Are you being serious right now? If I've been in the Dota community for a year, and have been watching A LOT in the half last year, I would think I should see some of these things. You are being an elitist. Sigh why are you getting so mad. Dota goes through phases that changes the game a lot. If you only been watching this year then you'll only be seeing maybe 2 phases at most where as the game has been around for 6+ years going through lots and lots of phases. edit: I see you think I'm talking about your opinion on early game advantages. I was merely talking about a history of dota stay(The 10-0 never having a comeback) and your mention of watching dota since Feb and never seeing it. It's entirely possible that it's happened in other phases that you haven't seen. Because I'm not discussing the past of Dota. Frankly, I don't really care about the past of Dota... I know it's gone through evolution, but everything I said has been commented on the recent state of the game. (ie patch 6.78 and onwards). Well, to wrap up this discussion. Coming back from 0-10 kills or 0-4 towers at 15 isn't impossible. The game could be in many states where that isn't even that difficult of a comeback. It just hasn't happened much recently, because there's a lot of snowballing in the meta, but it isn't in every game.
Alright, sure. It might not be impossible, but it hasn't happened in the 500-4000~ or however many games they have had on record from the past year or two. And therefore the probability is very very low in the current state.
That I can agree with. Now TI time 
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TO THE FACE #NEWCOPYPASTA
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super wtf
the one time I decided to start betting again
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aa got 6 now?
That xiao8 feed will bite them in the ass
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On July 19 2014 03:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 03:03 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 03:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:59 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:
[quote] That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. I'm not being elistest. You said that you've never seen it before which doesn't mean much if you are new to dota. Are you being serious right now? If I've been in the Dota community for a year, and have been watching A LOT in the half last year, I would think I should see some of these things. You are being an elitist. Sigh why are you getting so mad. Dota goes through phases that changes the game a lot. If you only been watching this year then you'll only be seeing maybe 2 phases at most where as the game has been around for 6+ years going through lots and lots of phases. edit: I see you think I'm talking about your opinion on early game advantages. I was merely talking about a history of dota stay(The 10-0 never having a comeback) and your mention of watching dota since Feb and never seeing it. It's entirely possible that it's happened in other phases that you haven't seen. Because I'm not discussing the past of Dota. Frankly, I don't really care about the past of Dota... I know it's gone through evolution, but everything I said has been commented on the recent state of the game. (ie patch 6.78 and onwards). Well, to wrap up this discussion. Coming back from 0-10 kills or 0-4 towers at 15 isn't impossible. The game could be in many states where that isn't even that difficult of a comeback. It just hasn't happened much recently, because there's a lot of snowballing in the meta, but it isn't in every game. Alright, sure. It might not be impossible, but it hasn't happened in the 500-4000~ or however many games they have had on record from the past year or two. And therefore the probability is very very low in the current state. That I can agree with. Now TI time
It HAS happened.
http://www.datdota.com/win_expectancy_old.php
http://www.datdota.com/win_expectancy.php?patch=0&type=4
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holy shit the TP reactions so fast
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On July 19 2014 03:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 03:03 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 03:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:59 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:
[quote] That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole. I'm not being elistest. You said that you've never seen it before which doesn't mean much if you are new to dota. Are you being serious right now? If I've been in the Dota community for a year, and have been watching A LOT in the half last year, I would think I should see some of these things. You are being an elitist. Sigh why are you getting so mad. Dota goes through phases that changes the game a lot. If you only been watching this year then you'll only be seeing maybe 2 phases at most where as the game has been around for 6+ years going through lots and lots of phases. edit: I see you think I'm talking about your opinion on early game advantages. I was merely talking about a history of dota stay(The 10-0 never having a comeback) and your mention of watching dota since Feb and never seeing it. It's entirely possible that it's happened in other phases that you haven't seen. Because I'm not discussing the past of Dota. Frankly, I don't really care about the past of Dota... I know it's gone through evolution, but everything I said has been commented on the recent state of the game. (ie patch 6.78 and onwards). Well, to wrap up this discussion. Coming back from 0-10 kills or 0-4 towers at 15 isn't impossible. The game could be in many states where that isn't even that difficult of a comeback. It just hasn't happened much recently, because there's a lot of snowballing in the meta, but it isn't in every game. Alright, sure. It might not be impossible, but it hasn't happened in the 500-4000~ or however many games they have had on record from the past year or two. And therefore the probability is very very low in the current state. That I can agree with. Now TI time I'm quite sure it has still happened in that period and the stats you were quoting were just from a shorter frame.
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