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Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11661
He has a virtual tarrasque aswell
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11662
ROFL stomped
Suppy fan | ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ WELL MET ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ | http://www.twitter.com/8mmspikes
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11663
gg!
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11664
NOW BUY A RAPIER!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11665
On September 02 2012 06:03 Bommes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 06:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Burning shut down dark seer pretty hard


LongDD you mean?

Burning didn't do anything, he just farmed the whole game.

the denies were what screwed darkseer, not the harassment he got no farm for aga scepter, he got no xp for levels so he was half the lvl of antimage as a solo lane vs duo.
Diab
Profile Joined October 2011
Denmark320 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11666
That Burning AM .. wtf
"He who laughs most, learns best." - John Cleese
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11667
733 gpm... it was a good day in seatle
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11668

On September 02 2012 05:40 Shikyo wrote:
Darer with the 0 carry strat



Predictions:

Ends before 30min Darer wins

Ends after 30min DK wins


Very confident in this.



WOOOOOOOOW TA! MY FAVORITE <3


Good prediction !
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11669
On September 02 2012 05:40 Shikyo wrote:
Darer with the 0 carry strat



Predictions:

Ends before 30min Darer wins

Ends after 30min DK wins


Very confident in this.



WOOOOOOOOW TA! MY FAVORITE <3

lol
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
September 01 2012 21:05 GMT
#11670
On September 02 2012 06:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 06:01 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:58 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:53 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why cant non chinese teams do this? look at burning, he is 600 gold from battlefury at 9.40.

i remember watching m5 AM free farming to a 15minute battlefury.

western teams don't focus on pure mechanical skill like burning does. they focus on strategies a lot more. western dota is more mid-centric than DK's play.

and its not even like burning had a good game, this is just his average game on AM

he's above average on denies. but his last hits are typical yeah.

but burning focuses on his mechanical skill, western carries like strategy more than mechanics, which results in far worse farming. and only slightly better strategy. which doesn't make too much of a difference when your team misplays anything.

i don't think they have better strats.

not talking about the captains. talking about the carries. by strategy i mean they focus more on things like controlling runes for mid, ganking with groups, and that kind of stuff.
doing those stuff may not be the best thing to do when compared to the alternative of farming. maybe farming is the better strat on a carry instead of pub style roaming the map.

IN theory it's possible to farm like burning AND do the things that western carries do to help the team. but the amount of knowledge coordination, skill and thinking requires is beyond any current player.


But PRACTICALLY thats bullshit.

The bronze level players talking about high level play and criticizing how the pros are playing seems to spread from the SC2 tournament threads
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 01 2012 21:06 GMT
#11671
On September 02 2012 06:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 06:01 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:58 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:53 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why cant non chinese teams do this? look at burning, he is 600 gold from battlefury at 9.40.

i remember watching m5 AM free farming to a 15minute battlefury.

western teams don't focus on pure mechanical skill like burning does. they focus on strategies a lot more. western dota is more mid-centric than DK's play.

and its not even like burning had a good game, this is just his average game on AM

he's above average on denies. but his last hits are typical yeah.

but burning focuses on his mechanical skill, western carries like strategy more than mechanics, which results in far worse farming. and only slightly better strategy. which doesn't make too much of a difference when your team misplays anything.

i don't think they have better strats.

not talking about the captains. talking about the carries. by strategy i mean they focus more on things like controlling runes for mid, ganking with groups, and that kind of stuff.
doing those stuff may not be the best thing to do when compared to the alternative of farming. maybe farming is the better strat on a carry instead of pub style roaming the map.

IN theory it's possible to farm like burning AND do the things that western carries do to help the team. but the amount of knowledge coordination, skill and thinking requires is beyond any current player.
see, sometimes the strat is actually for the team to create farming space for the carry.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 21:07:43
September 01 2012 21:06 GMT
#11672
On September 02 2012 06:04 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 06:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 06:01 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:58 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:53 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why cant non chinese teams do this? look at burning, he is 600 gold from battlefury at 9.40.

i remember watching m5 AM free farming to a 15minute battlefury.

western teams don't focus on pure mechanical skill like burning does. they focus on strategies a lot more. western dota is more mid-centric than DK's play.

and its not even like burning had a good game, this is just his average game on AM

he's above average on denies. but his last hits are typical yeah.

but burning focuses on his mechanical skill, western carries like strategy more than mechanics, which results in far worse farming. and only slightly better strategy. which doesn't make too much of a difference when your team misplays anything.

i don't think they have better strats.

not talking about the captains. talking about the carries. by strategy i mean they focus more on things like controlling runes for mid, ganking with groups, and that kind of stuff.
doing those stuff may not be the best thing to do when compared to the alternative of farming. maybe farming is the better strat on a carry instead of pub style roaming the map.

IN theory it's possible to farm like burning AND do the things that western carries do to help the team. but the amount of knowledge coordination, skill and thinking requires is beyond any current player.

you probably only started watching dota in the last year?

nope. but thanks for being condescending and acting superior for no reason.


On September 02 2012 06:05 Bommes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 06:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 06:01 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:58 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:53 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why cant non chinese teams do this? look at burning, he is 600 gold from battlefury at 9.40.

i remember watching m5 AM free farming to a 15minute battlefury.

western teams don't focus on pure mechanical skill like burning does. they focus on strategies a lot more. western dota is more mid-centric than DK's play.

and its not even like burning had a good game, this is just his average game on AM

he's above average on denies. but his last hits are typical yeah.

but burning focuses on his mechanical skill, western carries like strategy more than mechanics, which results in far worse farming. and only slightly better strategy. which doesn't make too much of a difference when your team misplays anything.

i don't think they have better strats.

not talking about the captains. talking about the carries. by strategy i mean they focus more on things like controlling runes for mid, ganking with groups, and that kind of stuff.
doing those stuff may not be the best thing to do when compared to the alternative of farming. maybe farming is the better strat on a carry instead of pub style roaming the map.

IN theory it's possible to farm like burning AND do the things that western carries do to help the team. but the amount of knowledge coordination, skill and thinking requires is beyond any current player.


But PRACTICALLY thats bullshit.

The bronze level players talking about high level play and criticizing how the pros are playing seems to spread from the SC2 tournament threads


I'm talking about having to split your mental stress. like you do APM in BW. you can't be doing everything in your head there are only so many thoughts you can have at a time.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
September 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#11673
He is fucking fat as hell, amazing carry play as expected.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#11674
Having a bfury manta at this time is common. Having an entire heart on top of it is... lol
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#11675
fcking insane items lol
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
September 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#11676
On September 02 2012 06:04 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 06:03 dmnum wrote:
On September 02 2012 06:02 Shikyo wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:53 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why cant non chinese teams do this? look at burning, he is 600 gold from battlefury at 9.40.

i remember watching m5 AM free farming to a 15minute battlefury.

western teams don't focus on pure mechanical skill like burning does. they focus on strategies a lot more. western dota is more mid-centric than DK's play.

and its not even like burning had a good game, this is just his average game on AM

he's above average on denies. but his last hits are typical yeah.

but burning focuses on his mechanical skill, western carries like strategy more than mechanics, which results in far worse farming. and only slightly better strategy. which doesn't make too much of a difference when your team misplays anything.

Nope these lasthits aren't typical. You don't get into this ratio until 10min later usually and that is with absolute freefarm.

typical burning

Nah even he doesn't usually have 9cs per min at 20min it's usually 10min later that his ratio is like that .-.

most of the time people give burning am he pulls that cs
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#11677
dat doubling of gold and exp
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 21:08:19
September 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#11678
On September 02 2012 06:04 chocopaw wrote:
This is just ugly, plz gg and be done with it.


On a second thought, I'm all for Rapier on Burning lol.

Eaglesong, meh.
http://twitter.com/lechocopaw
FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
September 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#11679
ughh
just leave the game.
Where do whores go?
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#11680
On September 02 2012 06:06 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 06:04 rabidch wrote:
On September 02 2012 06:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 06:01 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:58 oneofthem wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:53 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2012 05:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why cant non chinese teams do this? look at burning, he is 600 gold from battlefury at 9.40.

i remember watching m5 AM free farming to a 15minute battlefury.

western teams don't focus on pure mechanical skill like burning does. they focus on strategies a lot more. western dota is more mid-centric than DK's play.

and its not even like burning had a good game, this is just his average game on AM

he's above average on denies. but his last hits are typical yeah.

but burning focuses on his mechanical skill, western carries like strategy more than mechanics, which results in far worse farming. and only slightly better strategy. which doesn't make too much of a difference when your team misplays anything.

i don't think they have better strats.

not talking about the captains. talking about the carries. by strategy i mean they focus more on things like controlling runes for mid, ganking with groups, and that kind of stuff.
doing those stuff may not be the best thing to do when compared to the alternative of farming. maybe farming is the better strat on a carry instead of pub style roaming the map.

IN theory it's possible to farm like burning AND do the things that western carries do to help the team. but the amount of knowledge coordination, skill and thinking requires is beyond any current player.

you probably only started watching dota in the last year?

nope. but thanks for being condescending and acting superior for no reason.


Well unfounded theorycrafting is usually an indication of low level play. Just saying. Dem Chinese gonna rice, and they know how to do it.
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