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Wtf how did we end up comparing DOTA to football?
Sloppy series , tons of mistakes by both teams but EG had superior draft (IMO) in the games they won and Liquid supports played unusually poor.
And does TC still draft? I thought i read in Fluff's blog that he was gonna start drafting again in the forseeable future?
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im pretty sure games played at 4am in the moring where one of the players, for example, had a 20page paper due tomorrow, are not going to be of the highest quality, im not sure what people are expecting
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From Gosugamers: G-1 League will continue tomorrow with a new schedule. Unfortunately for the viewers, Kaipi versus Fnatic will not be streamed because the teams and the organizers could not find a compromise in scheduling.
Schedule (CEST)
24th April - 10:00 - Mouz vs Alliance 24th April - 14:00 - Dignitas vs Na`Vi 24th April - 14:00 - Kaipi vs Fnatic (no stream) 25th April - 10:00 - LB Round 1 #1 25th April - 14:00 - LB Round 1 #2 26th April - 10:00 - Winner semi-finals #1 26th April - 14:00 - Winner semi-finals #2 27th April - 10:00 - LB Round 2 #1 27th April - 14:00 - LB Round 2 #2 28th April - 10:00 - LB Round 3 28th April - 14:00 - WB final (Winner qualifies) 29th April - 14:00 - LB final (Winner qualifies)
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... so now they're suddenly catering the schedule to the teams? What the hell?
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They have 2 english streams anyway, why couldn't either of them cast the kaipi game?
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Why can't they just cast from replay if that's the case?
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Wow, 3 matches tomorrow? Sick! Mouz vs Alliance EMS One rematch. Na'Vi vs Dignitas should be good too, I don't think we've seen these two go against each other in quite a while.
I'm really sad Kaipi vs Fnatic won't get streamed, tho. Hopefully we'll get a replay cast, or a VOD. edit: Or like Yoshi said.... there are 2 English streams.
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On April 24 2013 01:05 Yoshi- wrote: They have 2 english streams anyway, why couldn't either of them cast the kaipi game?
The obvious point is that kind of pointless for G-1 to stream a match in English only, as it is a Chinese tournament and all.
As of replay, the schedule looks really tight, and I doubt anyone want see the game after later rounds already been streamed.
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On April 24 2013 01:17 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 01:05 Yoshi- wrote: They have 2 english streams anyway, why couldn't either of them cast the kaipi game? The obvious point is that kind of pointless for G-1 to stream a match in English only, as it is a Chinese tournament and all. As of replay, the schedule looks really tight, and I doubt anyone want see the game after later rounds already been streamed. So because it is a chinese tournament, we will have 2 english streams of the same game.
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
If there's DotaTV then someone will stream it. Or Ayesee will probably do a replay cast on his youtube or something.
It's one game in a double elim, not a big deal.
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On April 23 2013 23:52 hfglgg wrote: i always have the feeling that the vocal minority tries do define their own personal skill through stateing what theams they supports. "look i am so highskilled, i cant even watch eu throwdota because they play so bad!!!111". and then they try to lift second tier chinese teams on some form of pedestral and decleare them better then everything in eu while tongfu is losing 2-0 against eg despite a 200 ping advantage.
It's not about the own skill. It's not even logic. It's your own feeling and i cant help you to understand the argument, that the game today was on a low level, if you only feel something instead realy watch it.
The game itself was just so random and had so many mistakes, that you can not rate it high by any means. Yes, there are reasons for that (schedule etc.), but that doesn't negate how bad it was. I realy like many players, that we saw today, but in the end this game was a catastrophe. It is completely unrelated to my own skillevel, it is about their normal performance and the one we saw today. That's the problem! Yes, the western scene has a big amount of talent and yes the NA scene does too, but this game was just a game to forget and i hope that it wont effect other games, that it hounts them in their head. They need to shake this game off and everything still can be fine, but do not tell me, this game was something other than subpar.
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To all the defenders of these teams and western Dota in general: you can calm your pride with comparison to 2nd tier asian teams, but don't be surprised, when western teams again end up being 9-12 at TI. Do you want it? I certainly don't. Despite my DK's fanboyism, first of all i want a healthy intercontinental competition, which is nowhere near with that level of play.
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Until liquid is done with classes consistency will fluctuate. School requires attention, that 20 page paper, while not an excuse, is a good example of divided attention. Liquid shows they have a high ceiling and a low floor. The can beat anyone in western dota on a given day, and can lose the El Pride the next. Once school is out I expect more consistent results and less "wtf was that game about".
These guys are smart if you watch their streams and they have lots of ideas to try still so stagnation isn't an issue. Execution is what they've been lacking at times and that comes from practice. From Col days, fluff can get predictable, but add in korok and bulba together and I can't see that happening long term for TL. This team should and has competed on the level with NaVi (post TI obviously) and Alliance, who may give some chinese teams a run for their money.
Playing at 4 in the morning wouldn't exactly lead to good decision making either which I account for the bad decision making for both teams (liquid supports mainly). So a few weeks from now when they play EG in some tournament at a normal time for them I'll make judgements on their abilities for TI. Until then, calm down yo.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
welp.
i'm just worried about where TL stands with respect to TI3 invites situation.
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I'm somehow really not worried about that one. I think they'll be one of the earliest Western teams to receive to be invited.
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
I hope not. I like TL as a team but they've never even been to a Lan and their online results are still less than Dignitas.
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There are only 3 decent NA teams so I don't see how people could worry about any of their invites...
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
I'd be surprised if 3 NA teams get invited, I think 2 will. Remember last year there were only 6 invites for western teams, and if anything I think it's more likely they do more qualifiers than less.
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Given that it's hosted in NA, my guess is a 3/3 NA/EU split of invites, then qualifiers for the last 2 Western slots.
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
There's no way you can give every relevant NA team an invite especially when none of them have good Lan results. (best is EG second place dreamhack)
And last year there wasn't even 8 western slots, there were 7. It only became 8 because of Mouz winning the reserve slot.
I can't see it happening. Anything more than 2 NA invites is too much.
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