EPTG-1 League EU/NA Qualifiers - Page 108
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I mean, to rewrite your post: "Can't imagine them inviting 5 EU teams. That would leave just 3 slots for USW + USE. That's just ridiculous, if you think about it, tbh..." No its not the same but what i'm saying is that not everybody perceives stuff the same way. Valve lives in the US and i'm guessing they would really like to emphasize NA Dota, given that EU dota is comparatively quite healthy. It's all speculation right now given that we don't know how many teams will be invited vs qualify, and if LGD.int might end up being a western slot (unlikely), etc. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 24 2013 03:34 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, I understand that I'm obviously NA biased because that's where I live, but to me CIS is part of Europe, no? I mean, to rewrite your post: "Can't imagine them inviting 5 EU teams. That would leave just 3 slots for USW + USE. That's just ridiculous, if you think about it, tbh..." No its not the same but what i'm saying is that not everybody perceives stuff the same way. Valve lives in the US and i'm guessing they would really like to emphasize NA Dota, given that EU dota is comparatively quite healthy. It's all speculation right now given that we don't know how many teams will be invited vs qualify, and if LGD.int might end up being a western slot (unlikely), etc. based on the past, they have not emphasized NA dota any more than any other scene. In fact, they reserved less spots for NA both in TI2 and in TI. In TI there were 0 NA teams. 4 SEA, 8 EU, (2 of which were replacements for 1 SEA team and 1 Chinese team) and 4 Chinese teams. In TI2 of the invited teams there were 2 NA, 4 EU, 4 CN, 4 SEA. E: I would fully expect Valve to give at least 4 spots to EU teams. If they separate CIS for example and send invites to VP/NaVi, I'd probably expect NTH and Fnatic to get invites as well. Probably at least 4 spots to Chinese teams and SEA teams. That's 2 left for NA and 2 qualifier slots. | ||
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maru~
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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rs153
Portugal2 Posts
Can't imagine them inviting 3 NA teams. That would leave just 5 slots for EU+CIS. That's just ridiculous, if you think about it, tbh... Who are you inviting of those 3? they seem very similar to me. TL and Dignitas have accomplished more this year in online competitions, but EG hasn't played all that much. EG has the better record between them (5-3 vs dignitas) (3-3 vs TL) and has by far the most accomplished players on LAN. IMO you have to either invite the 3 or invite none. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On April 23 2013 20:56 SKC wrote: It's like a double negative. Bamboe + EG = No throws. LOL aha EG proceeds to sign singx2 and icex3 | ||
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renfree
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 24 2013 05:30 renfree wrote: Na`Vi, Fnatic, Nth, VP from EU, EG, Tl, Dignitas from NA and last slot for qualified team, with inviting only EU teams (aL, Empire, Rox, QPAD, Kaipi etc.). Don't see big problem tbh. I suppose, but some might argue that it puts too much emphasis on the western scene and not enough on Asia. I would, in fact. Why should EU/NA teams get 50% of the slots? There are 5 Chinese teams right now that are looking very good. LGD.int, LGD, iG, VG, DK. There are at least 3 SEA teams that are worthy of invites. Orange, Zenith, MUFC. Under that system at least one of these teams would not get invited. All of them are better than almost any of those invites, bar perhaps Na'Vi or NTH. e: obviously iG is already invited, but you see my point. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
A rudimentary attempt would probably yield something like this (teams in each tier are probably not in any order) of how teams would likely stack up if the international was right at this moment S Tier - iG A Tier - DK LGD.cn/int Orange Zenith Navi Alliance B Tier - RattleSnake VG TongFu MuFC ChainStack Mith EG Fnatic Dignitas TL VP Mouz of these, the 8 S and A tier teams will almost certainly be invited, wheras B Tier teams will probably need to be considered in terms of scene balance and consistency/fame, which means the more likely teams would be VG MuFC EG Fnatic Dignitas TL VP I think aside from Fnatic and probably EG, any of those teams has a chance of not making the invite cut depending on performance in the upcoming months while the other tier B teams can potentially perform well enough to secure an invite | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On April 24 2013 04:24 rs153 wrote: Who are you inviting of those 3? they seem very similar to me. TL and Dignitas have accomplished more this year in online competitions, but EG hasn't played all that much. EG has the better record between them (5-3 vs dignitas) (3-3 vs TL) and has by far the most accomplished players on LAN. IMO you have to either invite the 3 or invite none. This. EG has a good record vs others NA teams, and have lan results, and some of its players have been part of the competitive scene since its beggining, it wouldn't be fair to EG to invite Dignitas/TL and not EG but, tbh, i think if you send dignitas to the qualifers and invite TL and EG, dignitas will most likely qualify | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 24 2013 07:40 TMG26 wrote: This. EG has a good record vs others NA teams, and have lan results, and some of its players have been part of the competitive scene since its beggining, it wouldn't be fair to EG to invite Dignitas/TL and not EG but, tbh, i think if you send dignitas to the qualifers and invite TL and EG, dignitas will most likely qualify There's no way to be completelly fair. You a fixed number of spots, you have to choose the same amount of teams. If they can only invite 2 NA teams, they will choose 2 NA teams, even if they need to do a coin toss for it. But realistically, they would just decide on what's more important for them. You can't say it's fair to invite 3 NA teams and because of it skip on inviting Fnatic, VP, etc. So by that logic, you would just end up inviting every good team in the world, which just isn't possible. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On April 24 2013 08:02 SKC wrote: There's no way to be completelly fair. You a fixed number of spots, you have to choose the same amount of teams. If they can only invite 2 NA teams, they will choose 2 NA teams, even if they need to do a coin toss for it. But realistically, they would just decide on what's more important for them. You can't say it's fair to invite 3 NA teams and because of it skip on inviting Fnatic, VP, etc. So by that logic, you would just end up inviting every good team in the world, which just isn't possible. i think overall less teams should be invited anyways. The field is wider this year, lettem fight | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
East: iG/LGD.cn/DK/Orange/Zenith 5 teams for sure (zenith is shaky but meh), the other 2 teams made up by other sea(thai/pinoy etc)/chinese team, I especially want to see VG to get in. the tricky part is whether LGD.int is considered as Eastern or western team. West: EU/CIS: Navi/nth/fnatic 3 teams for sure, probably 1/2 more seed will be chosen from vp/mouz/rox/Qpanda/empire and the rest go qual. NA: EG/TL will probably get in eventually but it will be highly related to whether TL will show consistent performance in the next 1/2 months (and they have been doing pretty well until Bamboe EG) while for EG if they didnt derp too hard in the next 1/2 months they should get an invite without a doubt (historical stuff etc). And then Dignitas will at least get into the qual if they decided to give NA 2 spots that's it. The more i watch dota the more i feel like Western dota is further away from the real top tier teams in dota world. Two spots for NA won't surprise me at all. Want to see some team didnt get seeded and fight all the way from Qual to the finals, that would be so epic, VG you can do it!!! | ||
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maru~
2345 Posts
On April 24 2013 07:36 Kupon3ss wrote: A rudimentary attempt would probably yield something like this (teams in each tier are probably not in any order) of how teams would likely stack up if the international was right at this moment S Tier - iG A Tier - DK LGD.cn/int Orange Zenith Navi Alliance B Tier - RattleSnake VG TongFu MuFC ChainStack Mith EG Fnatic Dignitas TL VP Mouz Alliance to B Tier. Maybe we will have more teams this time around, since we have more strong teams as well. 20 doesn't sound too unreasonable to me. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 24 2013 08:34 maru~ wrote: Alliance has won 2 Lans and multiple online cups. Their invite is safe more than any other western team except Na'Vi and that's only safe because of TI2 performance.Alliance to B Tier. Maybe we will have more teams this time around, since we have more strong teams as well. 20 doesn't sound too unreasonable to me. If I'm not mistaken the date of the last invites for TI2 was 6 weeks from today. And most of those invites were not decided on the results the weeks leading into it. So basically, a lot of the invites must already be decided. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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maru~
2345 Posts
On April 24 2013 08:47 teapoted wrote: Alliance has won 2 Lans and multiple online cups. Their invite is safe more than any other western team except Na'Vi and that's only safe because of TI2 performance. I know they will get an invite, that's pretty obvious. But the tier list was based on skill, and I don't think they're particularly stronger than most of the B teams, nor that they are on the same level as the other A teams (especially the Chinese and SEA ones). | ||
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