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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 29 2013 15:46 GMT
#5701
On a small note I am not sure if they fixed it but I am pretty sure that Hex does not disabe backtrack in Dota 2(and as such I am honestly not even sure if it disables evasion).
WriterXiao8~~
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 15:51:51
April 29 2013 15:50 GMT
#5702
On April 30 2013 00:46 Kipsate wrote:
On a small note I am not sure if they fixed it but I am pretty sure that Hex does not disabe backtrack in Dota 2(and as such I am honestly not even sure if it disables evasion).

Hex doesn't disable Backtrack in DotA 1 either. It's a triggered effect, not actual evasion.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 29 2013 15:52 GMT
#5703
Odd because I am pretty sure NS called it a bug when it occured.
WriterXiao8~~
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 29 2013 16:02 GMT
#5704
On April 30 2013 00:14 renfree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 23:57 TheYango wrote:
On April 29 2013 23:38 renfree wrote:
On April 29 2013 23:34 MrCon wrote:
I liked the cuirass by TC, his team needed that armor. Bfly instead of deadalus I think, but anyways gratz <3
Sad for Fnatic as they can do better, especially Trixi who will get flak (haha) just because of that one game.

Best item choices he could've made, its always a strong TC's part. Butter useless against Hex, which n0tail had pretty early and they needed damage, so Daedalus was obvious as the most cost-efficient damage item in the game. AC against Desolator of Furion and AC of Sven, and overall boosting your team's armor, as all Fnatic had - was physical damage, coming from Sven and Furion. Satanic obvious to sustain in fights and heal up after Hex.

I applause TC's item choices.

If you're using the argument that Evasion is disabled by Hex against Butterfly, bear in mind that Hex also disables all auras.

Auras have a fade time and will vanish after 2-4 seconds if their carrier is hexed.

Considering Hex itself lasts for 3.5s, at least half of the time aura will work, and also +10 armor from AC and +5 from Satanic helps to tank better, than +6 from Butter and disabled evasion.

Edit: Fnatic were playing on +/- armor and Liquid responded accordingly. Smartest item choices TC could've made, i was impressed.

Aura's fade time has some sort of bug in dota 2, if I recall correctly. Can't remember what the issue is.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 16:08:35
April 29 2013 16:02 GMT
#5705
On April 30 2013 00:14 renfree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 23:57 TheYango wrote:
On April 29 2013 23:38 renfree wrote:
On April 29 2013 23:34 MrCon wrote:
I liked the cuirass by TC, his team needed that armor. Bfly instead of deadalus I think, but anyways gratz <3
Sad for Fnatic as they can do better, especially Trixi who will get flak (haha) just because of that one game.

Best item choices he could've made, its always a strong TC's part. Butter useless against Hex, which n0tail had pretty early and they needed damage, so Daedalus was obvious as the most cost-efficient damage item in the game. AC against Desolator of Furion and AC of Sven, and overall boosting your team's armor, as all Fnatic had - was physical damage, coming from Sven and Furion. Satanic obvious to sustain in fights and heal up after Hex.

I applause TC's item choices.

If you're using the argument that Evasion is disabled by Hex against Butterfly, bear in mind that Hex also disables all auras.

Auras have a fade time and will vanish after 2-4 seconds if their carrier is hexed.

Considering Hex itself lasts for 3.5s, at least half of the time aura will work, and also +10 armor from AC and +5 from Satanic helps to tank better, than +6 from Butter and disabled evasion.

Edit: Fnatic were playing on +/- armor and Liquid responded accordingly. Smartest item choices TC could've made, i was impressed.


The fade time is because the wc3 engine sucked. Also the way the refresh works it could end up also not refreshing the aura back up for 2-4 seconds after the target is no longer hexed as well so you're just shifting the bracket essentially.

I can't imagine them keeping this shitty mechanic in dota2 though so it doesn't really matter ^_^ Some of these aura bugs are pretty funny actually.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 29 2013 16:07 GMT
#5706
Aura bugs, eat your heart out -
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=80488
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=11547
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
April 29 2013 16:08 GMT
#5707
On April 30 2013 00:25 phos4 wrote:
@renfree: why was daedalus better than a mkb? was it just to kill sven or np instead of flak cannon the whole team?

Daedalus is better in terms of DPS, than MKB, unless your target has an evasion, which neither of Fnatic's heroes were going to get (except maybe Halberd on Sven).
What can change the nature of a man?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 16:17:31
April 29 2013 16:11 GMT
#5708
On April 30 2013 01:07 Nevuk wrote:
Aura bugs, eat your heart out -
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=80488
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=11547


Those aren't even that interesting. Find the dopplewalk bug ^_^

or this one http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=79897

I don't think the fade time matters that much as long as it takes X seconds to appear and also takes X seconds to disappear. The consistency part where all auras have the same timer makes sense though.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 29 2013 16:51 GMT
#5709
On April 30 2013 01:11 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 01:07 Nevuk wrote:
Aura bugs, eat your heart out -
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=80488
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=11547


Those aren't even that interesting. Find the dopplewalk bug ^_^

or this one http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=79897

I don't think the fade time matters that much as long as it takes X seconds to appear and also takes X seconds to disappear. The consistency part where all auras have the same timer makes sense though.

Yeah, there are a lot of bugs with dopplewalk (specifically the on death bugs, I know of it but it wasn't relevant to this game).


My favorite random bug is this one -
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=84384
Also to add to this, Sylla's Battle Cry only effects units under his own control, and does not work on Bear controlled units. To elaborate, if you get Point Booster and Necro on your Bear and summon the warriors, Battle Cry does not effect those Necro units.


Which is a "...."


Shalaiyn
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2735 Posts
April 29 2013 17:24 GMT
#5710
On April 30 2013 00:52 Kipsate wrote:
Odd because I am pretty sure NS called it a bug when it occured.


Always been like that. Same dealio with Doom.
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
April 29 2013 18:37 GMT
#5711
Bulba clearly mvp in this game. Gratz to TL.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
April 29 2013 20:25 GMT
#5712
Suddenly shanghai became more interesting
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
April 29 2013 20:55 GMT
#5713
On April 30 2013 00:25 phos4 wrote:
@renfree: why was daedalus better than a mkb? was it just to kill sven or np instead of flak cannon the whole team?


Assuming we're talking about an enemy with no evasion, MKB trumps Buriza up to a certain point in damage (there should be a graph floating around the interwebs), and thereafter the damage and crit chance provided by Buriza makes it better in a late-game situation.

If there is evasion/miss chances, then MKB is better in almost all cases.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2013 20:59 GMT
#5714
Most heroes cross the line where daedalus is better with like power treads and level 16. Seriously, daedalus is just kinda always better unless evasion/miss chance (or the ministun is crucial to your hero).
PS daedalus has received decently substantial changes that should slightly modify its cost-effectiveness in the last couple of patches so don't trust any old graph you see. Its cost came down and some stuff about the crit changed.
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khanofmongols
Profile Joined January 2011
542 Posts
April 29 2013 21:04 GMT
#5715
On April 29 2013 23:31 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote:
I know Bulba is a mother fucking god at clockwork, but can we back up and talk about Korok's based dark seer? the walls and vacs were insane.


This. His wall-vacuum on almost all of fanatic in the fight outside rosh was huge. Team liquid won that fight despite TC basically doing nothing flamebreaked on the high ground because the wall illusions just killed everything.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
April 30 2013 04:26 GMT
#5716
On April 29 2013 23:57 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 23:38 renfree wrote:
On April 29 2013 23:34 MrCon wrote:
I liked the cuirass by TC, his team needed that armor. Bfly instead of deadalus I think, but anyways gratz <3
Sad for Fnatic as they can do better, especially Trixi who will get flak (haha) just because of that one game.

Best item choices he could've made, its always a strong TC's part. Butter useless against Hex, which n0tail had pretty early and they needed damage, so Daedalus was obvious as the most cost-efficient damage item in the game. AC against Desolator of Furion and AC of Sven, and overall boosting your team's armor, as all Fnatic had - was physical damage, coming from Sven and Furion. Satanic obvious to sustain in fights and heal up after Hex.

I applause TC's item choices.

If you're using the argument that Evasion is disabled by Hex against Butterfly, bear in mind that Hex also disables all auras.


#Learnsomethingneweveryday
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 04:36:20
April 30 2013 04:35 GMT
#5717
On April 30 2013 13:26 Dreamer.T wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 23:57 TheYango wrote:
On April 29 2013 23:38 renfree wrote:
On April 29 2013 23:34 MrCon wrote:
I liked the cuirass by TC, his team needed that armor. Bfly instead of deadalus I think, but anyways gratz <3
Sad for Fnatic as they can do better, especially Trixi who will get flak (haha) just because of that one game.

Best item choices he could've made, its always a strong TC's part. Butter useless against Hex, which n0tail had pretty early and they needed damage, so Daedalus was obvious as the most cost-efficient damage item in the game. AC against Desolator of Furion and AC of Sven, and overall boosting your team's armor, as all Fnatic had - was physical damage, coming from Sven and Furion. Satanic obvious to sustain in fights and heal up after Hex.

I applause TC's item choices.

If you're using the argument that Evasion is disabled by Hex against Butterfly, bear in mind that Hex also disables all auras.


#Learnsomethingneweveryday


#TheYangodropsknowledgeeveryday
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 30 2013 05:46 GMT
#5718
On April 30 2013 13:26 Dreamer.T wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 23:57 TheYango wrote:
On April 29 2013 23:38 renfree wrote:
On April 29 2013 23:34 MrCon wrote:
I liked the cuirass by TC, his team needed that armor. Bfly instead of deadalus I think, but anyways gratz <3
Sad for Fnatic as they can do better, especially Trixi who will get flak (haha) just because of that one game.

Best item choices he could've made, its always a strong TC's part. Butter useless against Hex, which n0tail had pretty early and they needed damage, so Daedalus was obvious as the most cost-efficient damage item in the game. AC against Desolator of Furion and AC of Sven, and overall boosting your team's armor, as all Fnatic had - was physical damage, coming from Sven and Furion. Satanic obvious to sustain in fights and heal up after Hex.

I applause TC's item choices.

If you're using the argument that Evasion is disabled by Hex against Butterfly, bear in mind that Hex also disables all auras.


#Learnsomethingneweveryday

not in dota2
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allen_ami
Profile Joined December 2010
China1392 Posts
May 02 2013 09:13 GMT
#5719
if TC will be in CM before G1....
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 09:16:12
May 02 2013 09:15 GMT
#5720
if it's even in cm, probably banned by tourney rule because it wasn't out at the start of the tournament.
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