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On August 11 2013 10:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:28 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 10:26 babylon wrote:On August 11 2013 10:23 nojok wrote:On August 11 2013 10:22 mordk wrote:On August 11 2013 10:19 Shikyo wrote:On August 11 2013 10:18 ladyumbra wrote:
Is alchemist Loda's best hero? How often can games honestly be lost just by letting a person have the hero they really want? Like obviously anything can happen and it's a team game but are some people just broken with certain heroes?
I still don't get all the intricacies of picking and banning but it seems like the LR thread is either joyous or frustrated severely based on choices being made.
Loda actually plays really well on like 5+ different carries You can't ban for Loda because he has too many choices. You also need to ban some of Bulldog's heroes, or some of S4's strongest mids. You have to ban a ton of shit to disable Alliance, they always win all drafts because of this. Team should focus on improving their execution to reach alliance's level before thinking about keeping them from doing what they do well. Yeah, I feel you shouldn't focus so much on trying to outdraft Alliance (seems almost impossible), merely to evenly draft with them -- and then you just need to execute your style and gameplan better than they execute it. DK didn't try to surprise Alliance with anything; they drafted what people expected them to draft and just played better that one game. Best part was DK beat Alliance with a simple 4 protect 1 AM strat that is completely outdated in today's metagame. All they did was outexecute Alliance, which makes their victory against Alliance even more impressive. And then they when full idiot next game and first picked specter.
I still cannot wrap my head around that one. It's like the victory went to their head or something...
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Norway25712 Posts
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On August 11 2013 10:29 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:28 Gentso wrote:
Sigh.. I really like Alliance team but I really dislike Kelly Milkies and is it bad that I don't want them to win it all just because of that? : / sorta but you're not the only person to hate a team just because of the manager of the team.
No way she is manager of alliance, she is just loda girlfriend haha
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On August 11 2013 10:28 Gentso wrote:
Sigh.. I really like Alliance team but I really dislike Kelly Milkies and is it bad that I don't want them to win it all just because of that? : /
Wait. . . is she dating one of them?
She has a horrible reputation in the SC2 and LoL community lol
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:28 Zizy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:23 LoLAdriankat wrote:
I saw a lot of TI1 era Na'vi shining through in game 2, with all the hard pushing, taking all tier 2s by 20 minutes. Too bad it doesn't really work now, considering how a lot of anti-push has been added to the game since then. I wouldn't say anti-push I'd say many buffs to a lot of heroes overall. Na'Vi desperately needed....(inb4 shitstorm) LighTofHeaveN... I think that his experience would have been huge in this kind of situations. The problem is Alliance is a lot more flexible and solid than the Chinese teams of TI2. I think the Chinese teams of TI2 had more refinement in their strategies. But they kept on being caught offguard by Na'Vi
I think for Na'Vi to win vs Alliance they need to stop the gimmicky crap. Draft some playmakers for funnik and Dendi, and just go from there.
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Orange gonna take this home!
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On August 11 2013 10:28 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:27 Mataza wrote:
The arguments here get really crappy. Alliance play defensive and greedy. I can respect that, I just can't get excited over it. They average the most kills in the tournament... So they play defensive? This makes or does not make sense to you? For example Zhou's max kills in the tournament were 9 in one game. Loda gets more in like every single game.
I would also like to know why it's bad that a team play "greedy?" Why would a team not try to play as greedy as possible?
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On August 11 2013 10:31 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:28 Gentso wrote:
Sigh.. I really like Alliance team but I really dislike Kelly Milkies and is it bad that I don't want them to win it all just because of that? : / Wait. . . is she dating one of them? She has a horrible reputation in the SC2 and LoL community lol
Manager of Alliance and dating Loda, I think?
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:31 r.Evo wrote:
TONGFU YOU GOT THIS YOU HAVE MY BLESSING
(I announced that Silencer will become big at TI3 before)
He's been picked first time. He didn't and he won't become big. He had his time during Starladder iirc, didn't work out THAT well.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:29 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:28 MCDayC wrote:On August 11 2013 10:27 WindWolf wrote:On August 11 2013 10:26 MCDayC wrote:On August 11 2013 10:25 WindWolf wrote:On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet. Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5. lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament I've seen some pretty sick FGC matches that would be possible without the "starcraft BS" Plus, it's called double elimination for a reason... Exactly I meant wouldn't, not would i knew what you meant :p the second bit made it clear Hahaha yes. Still think if you are gonna call it double elimination, make it so that everyone, including the winners bracket winners, can drop one series
I agree, I just dont think a series that potentially long would work for dota, thats just too long.
I think it should have been 2 group stages
into a sort of Ro6
or Ro8
single elim
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Orange wanted spectre lastpick but silencer counters him (kind of)
thoughts?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I did not know Silencer was in CM mode.
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ALL TEAMFIGHTS BELONG TO US
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On August 11 2013 10:31 SolidMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:27 mordk wrote:On August 11 2013 10:25 MCDayC wrote:On August 11 2013 10:23 mordk wrote:On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet. Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5. lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament Nah, single series is good, fair, and fun. At most a 1 game advantage would be tolerable, anything else is ridiculous for a grand finals. I dunno about fair, but single series (maybe with a game advantage) is certainly fine for dota, and definitely the most fun option. but its not "starcraft bullshit", it is literally the way most double elim tournaments are designe, all FGC tournaments for example are double elim with 2 round finals, and they get plenty hype It's about the game type really. Fighting games do better in this type of tournament setup because of their nature, each match is "more exciting" and closer etc. In Starcraft it really feels that a 1 game or series advantage is way too much to overcome. Which makes series significantly more boring 1 game advantage is ok, but something has to be done to give the winner bracket side an advantage since they haven't been eliminated once. I don't know if TI3 does that though.
Playing less games and suffering less stress and tension is good enough of an advantage
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On August 11 2013 10:31 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:28 Gentso wrote:
Sigh.. I really like Alliance team but I really dislike Kelly Milkies and is it bad that I don't want them to win it all just because of that? : / Wait. . . is she dating one of them? She has a horrible reputation in the SC2 and LoL community lol
she dates loda
probably biggest esports groupie atm
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Good memories of Banana's Silencer at DSL.
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:31 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:28 Gentso wrote:
Sigh.. I really like Alliance team but I really dislike Kelly Milkies and is it bad that I don't want them to win it all just because of that? : / Wait. . . is she dating one of them? She has a horrible reputation in the SC2 and LoL community lol Is this TMZ?
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On August 11 2013 10:30 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:On August 11 2013 10:22 Shikyo wrote:On August 11 2013 10:21 TheSubtleArt wrote:On August 11 2013 10:17 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 11 2013 10:13 JerKy wrote:On August 11 2013 10:12 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 11 2013 10:09 Iceman331 wrote:
NaVi playing so stupidly. They had it in the bag and fed it away. You don't undestand Dota at higher level. NaVi's strat was all-in. If they aren't able to rax [A] in 20 minutes, it's an autolose. ???? lol the irony of what youre saying is hilarious Where is the irony? It wasn't an "all in take 20 minute rax" by any means. Hm? It was about as allin as it gets How. Luna is one of the stronger lategame carries, especially with overcharge. They had to get an early advantage, yes, but it's not like the game was inherently lost if they didnt end the game by 20 minutes BKB Alchemist eats Luna alive.
not to mention LD with root + basher
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