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potatomash3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia417 Posts
August 11 2013 01:26 GMT
#4981
Damn Tong Fu got revenge on their mind.
Part of being mature is to accept your loss.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
August 11 2013 01:26 GMT
#4982
From now on I am cheering for Banana. GO BANANA!!! LOL
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 11 2013 01:26 GMT
#4983
On August 11 2013 10:24 DDie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet.



Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.

lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament



Yeah, we don't have that bullshit in dota, this is serious gaming here.

i cant tell if you are joking in this post, the first one, both, or neither :o
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 01:28:21
August 11 2013 01:26 GMT
#4984
On August 11 2013 10:23 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet.



Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.


haha yeah, but it sounds unfair now doesn't it?



On August 11 2013 10:23 Vankuga wrote:
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On August 11 2013 10:22 Tobblish wrote:
This Alliance interview on TV6 really awesome and it explains why they are playing so good.


Can you share more about that please?


Loda don't like WoW, he though it would be more more fun at lvl40 when you got your mount, it wasn't.

+ Show Spoiler +

No but they are talking about that they are not blaming each other, they win and lose as a team.
Loda being a "spirutal leader" and having that special relationship with Akke.
They try not to take everything too seriously but with the same focus and never takes anything for granted.


Honestly they should sub that and put it out.
The curse is real
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
August 11 2013 01:26 GMT
#4985
On August 11 2013 10:23 Nocticate wrote:
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On August 11 2013 10:18 ladyumbra wrote:
Is alchemist Loda's best hero? How often can games honestly be lost just by letting a person have the hero they really want? Like obviously anything can happen and it's a team game but are some people just broken with certain heroes?

I still don't get all the intricacies of picking and banning but it seems like the LR thread is either joyous or frustrated severely based on choices being made.


Loda has a lot of good heroes but honestly you can't just worry about Loda. It's Bulldog, S4, Akke and EGM. That's really the impossible choice: focus on shitting on Loda who will develop into a monster if you don't or focus on the other 4 who all have the capacity to win alliance the game if left alone. And it's a massive problem that S4 is probably the best drafter in the world right now; he makes you pick what he wants you to pick, not what you want to pick. And then Alliance just waits for you to make a mistake.


S4 is privileged with having some of the best players in the world playing in their respective positions around him..He's a good drafter but the fact that he has one of the best 4-5 position combo and Bulldog who commands a Respect ban every game makes his drafting a hell of lot easier.Plus Loda can play a lot of carries (got nothing on burning AM tho :D)
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6429 Posts
August 11 2013 01:26 GMT
#4986
On August 11 2013 10:24 Doraemon wrote:
i don't even think alliance counter picks anymore, i swear they just have a simple decision tree based on bans.

this is honestly how any team should play. practicing and executing a set of simple strategies is way more effective than dynamically changing your game plan to "counter".
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
August 11 2013 01:26 GMT
#4987
On August 11 2013 10:22 Shikyo wrote:
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On August 11 2013 10:21 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:17 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:13 JerKy wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:12 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:09 Iceman331 wrote:
NaVi playing so stupidly. They had it in the bag and fed it away.

You don't undestand Dota at higher level.
NaVi's strat was all-in. If they aren't able to rax [A] in 20 minutes, it's an autolose.

???? lol
the irony of what youre saying is hilarious

Where is the irony?

It wasn't an "all in take 20 minute rax" by any means.

Hm? It was about as allin as it gets

How. Luna is one of the stronger lategame carries, especially with overcharge. They had to get an early advantage, yes, but it's not like the game was inherently lost if they didnt end the game by 20 minutes
Dodge arrows
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4988
Go TF. Don't like overly creative flashy style dota that crumbles at the first sign of mistake.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4989
On August 11 2013 10:26 radscorpion9 wrote:
From now on I am cheering for Banana. GO BANANA!!! LOL



legendary bane, legendary force staff saves
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4990
Cmon Orange...............
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4991
On August 11 2013 10:25 radscorpion9 wrote:
There's a guy called banana? AWESOME! :DDD

Correction: bananananananana.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 01:28:20
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4992
Orange going with Team Purple, expecting Enigma any minute now.

Edit: The break the combo with Chen, I shall graciously forgive their transgression.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4993
LD + Lumi aw ye
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4994
aww yea LD
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4995
The arguments here get really crappy. Alliance play defensive and greedy. I can respect that, I just can't get excited over it.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4996
A lot of us actually did expect Tong Fu Lumi.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4997
On August 11 2013 10:24 bp1696 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:18 ladyumbra wrote:
Is alchemist Loda's best hero? How often can games honestly be lost just by letting a person have the hero they really want? Like obviously anything can happen and it's a team game but are some people just broken with certain heroes?

I still don't get all the intricacies of picking and banning but it seems like the LR thread is either joyous or frustrated severely based on choices being made.




Loda is actually good with several hard carries, but his play is almost textbook Alliance: safe, low risk, push your farming efficiency as much as possible, then teamfight. He prioritizes safety over everything else, which means he's not as high GPM as the legendary ricers like Burning, and it means he doesn't go for very flashy/high risk plays like Xboct does. But his play style really fits his team well, since they prefer to play a standard, solid style, pick the timing window when they have an advantage, and not let the other team dictate the pace of the game.

However, some people are broken with certain heroes like AdmiralBulldog and his LD play (and to a lesser extent his NP) is just a level above everyone else, making the ban phase really important (like if you ban out his good heroes, then you open up other good heroes for the other players on their team).

The other important thing that people forget is that because of their solid, safe playstyle, Alliance is not very afraid of a lot of "cheese" lineups. Like S4 said in their interview, they don't fear the wisp, because wisp play relies on players having imperfect game sense and map awareness, which all of Alliance's players really have. Thus, they don't have to counterpick heroes as much as other teams do.

I disagree with you on loda, he can really join the fray early, he's one of the fastest carry to use the TP scrolls. You should check loda play with PA if you have not seen it.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4998
what is lumi wearing
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#4999
On August 11 2013 10:26 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:25 WindWolf wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet.



Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.

lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament

I've seen some pretty sick FGC matches that would be possible without the "starcraft BS"

Plus, it's called double elimination for a reason...

Exactly

I meant wouldn't, not would
EZ4ENCE
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 01:28:03
August 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#5000
On August 11 2013 10:25 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:23 mordk wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet.



Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.

lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament

Nah, single series is good, fair, and fun. At most a 1 game advantage would be tolerable, anything else is ridiculous for a grand finals.

I dunno about fair, but single series (maybe with a game advantage) is certainly fine for dota, and definitely the most fun option.

but its not "starcraft bullshit", it is literally the way most double elim tournaments are designe, all FGC tournaments for example are double elim with 2 round finals, and they get plenty hype

It's about the game type really. Fighting games do better in this type of tournament setup because of their nature, each match is "more exciting" and closer etc. In Starcraft it really feels that a 1 game or series advantage is way too much to overcome.

Which makes series significantly more boring
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