EPT[TI3] Playoffs Day 4 - Page 249
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
Go go Orange, SEA doto>Chinese Doto. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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bp1696
United States288 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:18 ladyumbra wrote: Is alchemist Loda's best hero? How often can games honestly be lost just by letting a person have the hero they really want? Like obviously anything can happen and it's a team game but are some people just broken with certain heroes? I still don't get all the intricacies of picking and banning but it seems like the LR thread is either joyous or frustrated severely based on choices being made. Loda is actually good with several hard carries, but his play is almost textbook Alliance: safe, low risk, push your farming efficiency as much as possible, then teamfight. He prioritizes safety over everything else, which means he's not as high GPM as the legendary ricers like Burning, and it means he doesn't go for very flashy/high risk plays like Xboct does. But his play style really fits his team well, since they prefer to play a standard, solid style, pick the timing window when they have an advantage, and not let the other team dictate the pace of the game. However, some people are broken with certain heroes like AdmiralBulldog and his LD play (and to a lesser extent his NP) is just a level above everyone else, making the ban phase really important (like if you ban out his good heroes, then you open up other good heroes for the other players on their team). The other important thing that people forget is that because of their solid, safe playstyle, Alliance is not very afraid of a lot of "cheese" lineups. Like S4 said in their interview, they don't fear the wisp, because wisp play relies on players having imperfect game sense and map awareness, which all of Alliance's players really have. Thus, they don't have to counterpick heroes as much as other teams do. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:23 Goozen wrote: Makes sense, most asian teams go 5man if they are afraid of ganks (or just weaver). And in general relocate ganks are risky and people are scared to relocate ganks as it may be a trap, The Asian teams mostly ban it and the western teams don't like to pick it against each other it seems. If they do, it's not as effective because it's been done to death. | ||
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caelym
United States6429 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:21 TheSubtleArt wrote: It wasn't an "all in take 20 minute rax" by any means. Unfortunately it was. You have nothing against BKB Alchemist, nothing against 11 level LD, your supports are squishy as hell and underfarmed because of 5-man dota and die to the Radiance, you have no antipush to stall the game. And you can't fucking enter their highground because of Naga, Acid Spray, and KotL. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:21 Iceman331 wrote: It wasn't even that. NaVi had won a fight, was up 4-0, fed 2 kills, then fed again in the rosh pit. They got antsy and made mistakes. Alliance played safe and punished hard when NaVi gave them something. I have watched a lot of dota, I have never seen a rush into rosh for a second team fight after an almost wipe like that. That shit was nuts and NaVi was caught out. That took a lot of balls from alliance and if navi runs, alliance still gets rosh. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote: lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament I've seen some pretty sick FGC matches that wouldn't be possible without the "starcraft BS" Plus, it's called double elimination for a reason... | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:23 mordk wrote: Nah, single series is good, fair, and fun. At most a 1 game advantage would be tolerable, anything else is ridiculous for a grand finals. I dunno about fair, but single series (maybe with a game advantage) is certainly fine for dota, and definitely the most fun option. but its not "starcraft bullshit", it is literally the way most double elim tournaments are designe, all FGC tournaments for example are double elim with 2 round finals, and they get plenty hype | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
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OfficeBrahzz
121 Posts
antimage + shadow fiend + omniknight + silencer + lycan | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Orange : Darkseer / Bane | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
LET'S DO THIS~~~~ | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:23 mordk wrote: Nah, single series is good, fair, and fun. At most a 1 game advantage would be tolerable, anything else is ridiculous for a grand finals. Huh? Then just don't have a double elimination format if you don't want a team to have to be eliminated twice. Have quite a few issues with the format they're using here but I guess I'll try to think of everything but the grand finals as qualifiers with seeds for 2 spots(which are meaningless). | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:25 WindWolf wrote: I've seen some pretty sick FGC matches that would be possible without the "starcraft BS" Plus, it's called double elimination for a reason... Exactly | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:23 Obelisco wrote: Their line up already had fallen apart, I think it was already game there, the aegis gave them a bit of chance. If they didnt go for it Alliance would take it easily. Thats just not true. How do you come to that conclusion? | ||
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Obelisco
Peru1962 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:25 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Unfortunately it was. You have nothing against BKB Alchemist, nothing against 11 level LD, your supports are squishy as hell and underfarmed because of 5-man dota and die to the Radiance, you have no antipush to stall the game. And you can't fucking enter their highground because of Naga, Acid Spray, and KotL. I agree, it was an all-in push, and i still wonder why they didnt ban kotl | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 11 2013 10:23 nojok wrote: Team should focus on improving their execution to reach alliance's level before thinking about keeping them from doing what they do well. Yeah, I feel you shouldn't focus so much on trying to outdraft Alliance (seems almost impossible), merely to evenly draft with them -- and then you just need to execute your style and gameplan better than they execute it. DK didn't try to surprise Alliance with anything; they drafted what people expected them to draft and just played better that one game. | ||
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