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On August 11 2013 10:16 figq wrote: As much as NaVi always makes you believe that Dota 2 is a really fun game, Alliance convinces you that it's a really calculated strategic game.
Yea come on Navi... your opponent strat pretty much revolves around avoiding fights until carry gets BKB (or diff on PL). And don't let them get Batrider.
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On August 11 2013 10:20 zul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:13 Obelisco wrote:On August 11 2013 10:12 zul wrote: NaVi losing DK style. Being way too greedy and forcing roshan, while alliance is sitting outside the pit ... That's plain stupid. So they lost. Fuck. They had to force Roshan,they had to be greedy, else everything falls apart, not forcing roshan was just delaying the loss You dont fight there unless you know you can win, which was clear they can not. Just pressure roshan and pressure Top at the same time with Furion. If alliance ganks Top with all, take roshan. If alliance just sends 1-2 top, wisp relocate, kill them and then do roshan. If nobody goes top, take rax ... Just use your options ... Their line up already had fallen apart, I think it was already game there, the aegis gave them a bit of chance. If they didnt go for it Alliance would take it easily.
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On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet. Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.
haha yeah, but it sounds unfair now doesn't it?
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On August 11 2013 10:22 Tobblish wrote: This Alliance interview on TV6 really awesome and it explains why they are playing so good. Mind sharing more details please?
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On August 11 2013 10:18 ladyumbra wrote: Is alchemist Loda's best hero? How often can games honestly be lost just by letting a person have the hero they really want? Like obviously anything can happen and it's a team game but are some people just broken with certain heroes?
I still don't get all the intricacies of picking and banning but it seems like the LR thread is either joyous or frustrated severely based on choices being made.
Loda has a lot of good heroes but honestly you can't just worry about Loda. It's Bulldog, S4, Akke and EGM. That's really the impossible choice: focus on shitting on Loda who will develop into a monster if you don't or focus on the other 4 who all have the capacity to win alliance the game if left alone. And it's a massive problem that S4 is probably the best drafter in the world right now; he makes you pick what he wants you to pick, not what you want to pick. And then Alliance just waits for you to make a mistake.
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On August 11 2013 10:20 superstartran wrote: I can't believe ANYONE would say what AdmiralBulldog wasn't amazing.
Bulldog had an 18 minute radience. That's standard time for your average Lone Druid player when he is contested slightly in the safe lane. Now, fucking realize that Bulldog died, had no bear, and had to leave his offlane, and still somehow managed to get an 18 minute Radience. Sure, he had some help from Akke on KotL, but anyone saying Bulldog did nothing special is nuts.
He played it well sure but he lost a lot of bears for seemingly no reason. The main reason he was even able to get that much farm was how well the rest of the team delayed and created the room for him to get it. He was actually a bit sloppy this game compared to his standard, farmed well but seemed to lack some discipline.
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On August 11 2013 10:22 Tobblish wrote: This Alliance interview on TV6 really awesome and it explains why they are playing so good.
Can you share more about that please?
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On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet. Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5. lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament Nah, single series is good, fair, and fun. At most a 1 game advantage would be tolerable, anything else is ridiculous for a grand finals.
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I dont dare betting on this match, Orange are so hot right now but tong fu are always pretty stable, it's gonna be a good match I think
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I saw a lot of TI1 era Na'vi shining through in game 2, with all the hard pushing, taking all tier 2s by 20 minutes. Too bad it doesn't really work now, considering how a lot of anti-push has been added to the game since then.
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On August 11 2013 10:21 Kipsate wrote: Is it just me or is the actual wisp win record this tournament not that great btw Makes sense, most asian teams go 5man if they are afraid of ganks (or just weaver). And in general relocate ganks are risky and people are scared to relocate ganks as it may be a trap,
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Last series for the night right?
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Ok I'm wondering, I'm always seeing people typing "Stronk" with a "K" instead of "G", what's that about?
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On August 11 2013 10:22 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:19 Shikyo wrote:On August 11 2013 10:18 ladyumbra wrote: Is alchemist Loda's best hero? How often can games honestly be lost just by letting a person have the hero they really want? Like obviously anything can happen and it's a team game but are some people just broken with certain heroes?
I still don't get all the intricacies of picking and banning but it seems like the LR thread is either joyous or frustrated severely based on choices being made.
Loda actually plays really well on like 5+ different carries You can't ban for Loda because he has too many choices. You also need to ban some of Bulldog's heroes, or some of S4's strongest mids. You have to ban a ton of shit to disable Alliance, they always win all drafts because of this. Team should focus on improving their execution to reach alliance's level before thinking about keeping them from doing what they do well.
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On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet. Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5. lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament
Yeah, we don't have that bullshit in dota, this is serious gaming here.
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On August 11 2013 10:20 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:18 babylon wrote:On August 11 2013 10:16 DV G wrote:On August 11 2013 10:12 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 11 2013 10:12 r.Evo wrote:On August 11 2013 10:10 DV G wrote:On August 11 2013 09:17 DV G wrote: Its gonna be shilarious if navi loses and the only team to win aance is gainst alliance is DK playing Alliance's style lol. i stil hope for StrongFu to show, win and get tot the finals so its East vs West again Interesting indeed. The only question remaining is whether DK will talk to TongFu about how they think of Na'Vi+Alliance. DK understood how to beat both those teams more than anyone else. If DK doesn't share wisdom I'd say TF is pretty screwed. i think dk won because of burning on anti mage. I imagine a big table, DK IG LGD and TF players sharing insight and being interested in TF getting the win, just like a big club of brother. It feels delusional but i think that if they did it, and talked it out, TF should have a nice chance to get 2 at least. Chinese pride, I'm actually very sure they are sharing tips. Burning : "Want me to step in Hao?" Hao : "But can they be beaten?" Burning : *takes off the rotk weights* "don't worry, i got this" hahahahahhahaahhaha
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On August 11 2013 10:22 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 10:19 Shikyo wrote:On August 11 2013 10:18 ladyumbra wrote: Is alchemist Loda's best hero? How often can games honestly be lost just by letting a person have the hero they really want? Like obviously anything can happen and it's a team game but are some people just broken with certain heroes?
I still don't get all the intricacies of picking and banning but it seems like the LR thread is either joyous or frustrated severely based on choices being made.
Loda actually plays really well on like 5+ different carries You can't ban for Loda because he has too many choices. You also need to ban some of Bulldog's heroes, or some of S4's strongest mids. You have to ban a ton of shit to disable Alliance, they always win all drafts because of this. You can't just win by banning out heroes anyway.
Even if you had 10 bans per team pre-game. Alliance would likely still win against the same teams.
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Orange vs Alliance would be the best final for sure. Orange are by far the most exciting team in this tournament and their unpredictable style would definitely have the best chance against Alliance. Trouble is they probably won't get past both Tongfu and Navi, especially with the solid Tongfu style and the possibility of cheese from Navi.
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So much for Na'Vi when they can't fall back on bullshit like fountain hooks
Thank you L-God.
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